Sub Purchase

Etc · 03-01-2015 8:51pm #1

So, having debated purchasing for some time, I'm off out tomorrow to buy a Sub. I posted a thread some time ago about a good homage and I purchased a Davosa Ternos which has exceeded my expectations. The great thing is it's my daily and has reinforced that the Sub is the watch for me. It has a cyclops.

I'm in a quandary re: date or no date, I'm not sure I want a date version of the Sub, I really like the clean look of the non date. So I'm looking for some opinions, is it a matter of taste and are there pro's and con's to date / no date.

I'm not going to flip the watch, so I want to make the right decision.

Thanks for any input.

Zagato · 03-01-2015 9:35pm

For me it would depend on when you will be wearing the watch. I find it annoying not having date function on a daily wearer (i.e. at work). I find it a bit of nuisance on an occasional watch which I have to set each time I put on, which is why I tend to wear my Steinhart O1VR during the week and my no date Stowa Flieger at the weekends.

I am also not a big fan of the cyclops. If I was getting a Sub I would be a bit torn between what I think is the better looking Non date versus the more functional date version - my preference would be to get the date and get someone to replace the crystal for a non cyclops one.

Edit: Changing the crystal would obviously make it a bit of a nuisance getting it serviced

Etc · 03-01-2015 9:43pm

Thanks for the input, changing the crystal isn't something I'd want to be doing. I want to buy and enjoy tbh. And that's my dilemma. I guess I'll try both tomorrow and decide.

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 9:53pm

Buying a sub on a Sunday? Don't know if you have the deal done or not but IMO if not you prob won't get the best deal as the "boss" won't be there to offer the best discount.

For ME its a no brainer, but as you say it's down to taste and preferences. The Sub date.

Are you buying new? If so its the sub C.

Price dif. Is about 700 between date or non date.

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 9:56pm

BTW way if you want an orginal Submariner that is the non date, it was produced first,known as the Submariner. The Sub date is know as the Submariner Date.

Rolex nerd stuff!

Etc · 03-01-2015 10:00pm

I am buying new, but I'm not expecting a deal given AD's aren't allowed to be very flexible. Cash wise, it's looking like 810 difference. Why C if new ?

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 10:04pm

Etc wrote: »

I am buying new, but I'm not expecting a deal given AD's aren't allowed to be very flexible. Cash wise, it's looking like 810 difference. Why C if new ?

7% discount should be achievable give the sales person as per my first post. C is referring to the Cermic bezel or a submariner Cermic, Sub C.

Mredsnapper · 03-01-2015 10:04pm

Etc wrote: »

I am buying new, but I'm not expecting a deal given AD's aren't allowed to be very flexible. Cash wise, it's looking like 810 difference. Why C if new ?

C for ceramic?

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 10:06pm

Mredsnapper wrote: »

C for ceramic?

See above!

Etc · 03-01-2015 10:10pm

Yes, new so Ceramic, so should 7% be realistic if buying locally ?

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 10:16pm

Etc wrote: »

Yes, new so Ceramic, so should 7% be realistic if buying locally ?

I believe that's the maximum discount for know clients.

Etc · 03-01-2015 10:24pm

Really good to know. And really interesting based on inquiries today. Pricing was "variable".

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 10:30pm

Etc wrote: »

Really good to know. And really interesting based on inquiries today. Pricing was "variable".

That's just based on my experiences. I guess if your in and out, one gets to be known and you ll get some discount. BUT to me it's the experience of buying it. Researching and fitting it on, thinking about it and finally buying.

Etc · 03-01-2015 10:37pm

breanach78 wrote: »

That's just based on my experiences. I guess if your in and out, one gets to be known and you ll get some discount. BUT to me it's the experience of buying it. Researching and fitting it in, thinking about it and finally buying.

Like everything else it's about credibility, I'm not tire kicking so we'll see how it goes.

My problem is still date / no date and the more I think about it, no date is winning.

breanach78 · 03-01-2015 10:42pm

Etc wrote: »

Like everything else it's about credibility, I'm not tire kicking so we'll see how it goes.

My problem is still date / no date and the more I think about it, no date is winning.

Well then you'll own the Original Submariner. Both Super watches. I bought the Sub date but that said I can see the appeal of the Sub. It looks very clean and balanced. Good luck with it.

Etc · 03-01-2015 10:52pm

breanach78 wrote: »

Well then you'll own the Original Submariner. Both Super watches. I bought the Sub date but that said I can see the appeal of the Sub. It looks very clean and balanced. Good luck with it.

Thanks, it'll all depend when I see both on my wrist !

breanach78 · 04-01-2015 8:03pm

Have we a new sub owner?

fulladapipes · 04-01-2015 10:37pm

For me, it was a Sub date, no question. The dealer told me max discount allowed by the brand was 9.5%, but see what you can do. I got 10%. Nice watch - best of luck with it. FdP

Etc · 05-01-2015 9:47am

Thanks All for the input, yes proud owner of a non date Sub, I preferred the clean look when A/B'd on the wrist.

Must say I'm far more impressed with it on the wrist. Wears really well !

breanach78 · 05-01-2015 9:50am

Etc wrote: »

Thanks All for the input, yes proud owner of a non date Sub, I preferred the clean look when A/B'd on the wrist.

Must say I'm far more impressed with it on the wrist. Wears really well !

Ya they do wear well on the wrist for some reason. I have a few Breitlings and its nearly the opposite end of the spectrum from them.

Anyway, wear it well and in good health!

Mredsnapper · 05-01-2015 9:54am

You can't buy a sub without posting photos!

893bet · 05-01-2015 11:35am

Either my monitor is broken or you didn't post pics.....

What % did you negotiate in the end?

blindsider · 05-01-2015 1:29pm

Pics!!!!! Now!!!

eoin27 · 09-01-2015 5:53am

As the owner of a Sub C (non-date) Model No: 114060, welcome to the club. Its a wonderful piece. The reason I went for the non date was heritage: the original Rolex Submariner had no date and so did many of the subsequent models. The date complication was a later introduction.

sockpuppets · 27-01-2015 3:15pm

Hi All
Could anyone tell me what you should expect to pay for a new Rolex Submariner 114060 from an Irish jewellers? thewatchquote.com lists the retail price as 6000 euros, is that about right?

fulladapipes · 27-01-2015 3:22pm

Take the list price and subtract 10% roughly. You'll get them cheaper online or not from authorised dealers. Retail is at least 7,100E I think.

I've used this crowd www.chrono-lounge.com in Germany with never a problem. They've a 2008 114060 for about 4,800E at the moment, and they'd probably throw in shipping.

sockpuppets · 27-01-2015 5:00pm

fulladapipes wrote: »

Take the list price and subtract 10% roughly. You'll get them cheaper online or not from authorised dealers. Retail is at least 7,100E I think.

I've used this crowd www.chrono-lounge.com in Germany with never a problem. They've a 2008 114060 for about 4,800E at the moment, and they'd probably throw in shipping.

I'll check them out, thanks fulladapipes

breanach78 · 29-01-2015 10:22am

fulladapipes wrote: »

Take the list price and subtract 10% roughly. You'll get them cheaper online or not from authorised dealers. Retail is at least 7,100E I think.

I've used this crowd www.chrono-lounge.com in Germany with never a problem. They've a 2008 114060 for about 4,800E at the moment, and they'd probably throw in shipping.

Don't see how that could be as the new sub c "114060" was only introduced in 2012. You may be thinking of the 14060?

Regards the new price take about 1000/1200 of the date version.

fulladapipes · 29-01-2015 3:50pm

breanach78 wrote: »

Don't see how that could be as the new sub c "114060" was only introduced in 2012. You may be thinking of the 14060?

You're absolutely right - mea culpa.

Etc · 29-01-2015 8:12pm

sockpuppets wrote: »

Hi All
Could anyone tell me what you should expect to pay for a new Rolex Submariner 114060 from an Irish jewellers? thewatchquote.com lists the retail price as 6000 euros, is that about right?

My initial quotes were €6250 and €6210 from an authorised dealer's branches. Once they know you're a legit buyer you can do 10%, but push, sometimes people get intimidated being in a posh shop and the sales people can be quite condescending, but cash is king at the end of the day.

In this environment, people who know their stuff and can talk with a degree of knowledge and confidence will do a good deal, do your research and if the shop is being hesitant, wait and they will do a deal. It is a buyers market.

sockpuppets · 29-01-2015 8:49pm

Etc wrote: »

My initial quotes were €6250 and €6210 from an authorised dealer's branches. Once they know you're a legit buyer you can do 10%, but push, sometimes people get intimidated being in a posh shop and the sales people can be quite condescending, but cash is king at the end of the day.

In this environment, people who know their stuff and can talk with a degree of knowledge and confidence will do a good deal, do your research and if the shop is being hesitant, wait and they will do a deal. It is a buyers market.

Thanks Etc, Are those quotes after the 10% reduction has been taken off?

GeraldGenta · 31-01-2015 10:23am

sockpuppets wrote: »

Thanks Etc, Are those quotes after the 10% reduction has been taken off?

Retail prices in Ireland for rolex submariners are:

114060 = €6200
116610LN = €7100
116610LV = €7550

Well I should say that's what they are today. As of next week maybe Wednesday they are going up 7% on the retail in both the UK and Ireland.

So next week
114060 = €6650
116610LN = €7600
116610LV = €8100

Also Ireland is about €450 cheaper than the uk at the minute because of the weak euro.

And one last thing 10% discount on popular watches like sub's and GMT models will be a thing of the past as retailers margins have been cut hugely along with the retail price increase because of the Swiss franc strength .

breanach78 · 31-01-2015 11:14am

GeraldGenta wrote: »

Retail prices in Ireland for rolex submariners are:

114060 = €6200
116610LN = €7100
116610LV = €7550

Well I should say that's what they are today. As of next week maybe Wednesday they are going up 7% on the retail in both the UK and Ireland.

So next week
114060 = €6650
116610LN = €7600
116610LV = €8100

Also Ireland is about €450 cheaper than the uk at the minute because of the weak euro.

And one last thing 10% discount on popular watches like sub's and GMT models will be a thing of the past as retailers margins have been cut hugely along with the retail price increase because of the Swiss franc strength .

I guess it was comming. It's a while since I remember an increase. Any one thinking of a purchase should get it there now or in the near future.

sockpuppets · 31-01-2015 11:17am

GeraldGenta wrote: »

Retail prices in Ireland for rolex submariners are:

114060 = €6200
116610LN = €7100
116610LV = €7550

Well I should say that's what they are today. As of next week maybe Wednesday they are going up 7% on the retail in both the UK and Ireland.

So next week
114060 = €6650
116610LN = €7600
116610LV = €8100

Also Ireland is about €450 cheaper than the uk at the minute because of the weak euro.

And one last thing 10% discount on popular watches like sub's and GMT models will be a thing of the past as retailers margins have been cut hugely along with the retail price increase because of the Swiss franc strength .

Thanks for this GeraldGenta, great information

GeraldGenta · 31-01-2015 12:50pm

If your interested in that non date sub. Give Keane's in cork a buzz today and ask for David. He is the manager of the watch department there. He has always looked after me very well. I'm sure he would be a great help to you.

893bet · 31-01-2015 2:14pm

GeraldGenta wrote: »

Retail prices in Ireland for rolex submariners are:

114060 = €6200
116610LN = €7100
116610LV = €7550

Well I should say that's what they are today. As of next week maybe Wednesday they are going up 7% on the retail in both the UK and Ireland.

So next week
114060 = €6650
116610LN = €7600
116610LV = €8100

Also Ireland is about €450 cheaper than the uk at the minute because of the weak euro.

And one last thing 10% discount on popular watches like sub's and GMT models will be a thing of the past as retailers margins have been cut hugely along with the retail price increase because of the Swiss franc strength .

On Tz it is stated that the UK will have no increase. Only the euro based countries. This will bring them in line with the UK price.

blindsider · 31-01-2015 2:30pm

GeraldGenta wrote: »

If your interested in that non date sub. Give Keane's in cork a buzz today and ask for David. He is the manager of the watch department there. He has always looked after me very well. I'm sure he would be a great help to you.

Hmmm - 4 posts: 1 with 'trade' info' i.e. new prices, and 1 strong retail recommendation.

Any connection to said retail outlet?

sockpuppets · 31-01-2015 2:33pm

GeraldGenta wrote: »

If your interested in that non date sub. Give Keane's in cork a buzz today and ask for David. He is the manager of the watch department there. He has always looked after me very well. I'm sure he would be a great help to you.

Thanks GeraldGenta

GeraldGenta · 31-01-2015 3:11pm

blindsider wrote: »

Hmmm - 4 posts: 1 with 'trade' info' i.e. new prices, and 1 strong retail recommendation.

Any connection to said retail outlet?

Lol that's some welcome to a new memeber.
Normally just a lurker but I thought I could help.

As for my connection. I've purchased a fair bit there and was just offering advice.

I was in there yesterday and have been back and forth over a new Patek and when I was in I got the lowdown on prices. I'm sure its not state secret stuff. You probably would get the same info if you walked into any AD.

blindsider · 31-01-2015 4:11pm

Fair enough - but you can't blame me for asking.

It has happened before.

Impartial advice is always welcome here IME.

tf2 · 02-02-2015 12:17pm

sockpuppets wrote: »

Hi All
Could anyone tell me what you should expect to pay for a new Rolex Submariner 114060 from an Irish jewellers? thewatchquote.com lists the retail price as 6000 euros, is that about right?

I was quoted €6200 for the Submariner 114060 from an Irish rolex dealer. When I went to pay I was given a *special price of €5900. Without asking for it either. Almost 5% discount. The authorised dealers definitely have room to manoeuvre.

sockpuppets · 02-02-2015 4:13pm

tf2 wrote: »

I was quoted €6200 for the Submariner 114060 from an Irish rolex dealer. When I went to pay I was given a *special price of €5900. Without asking for it either. Almost 5% discount. The authorised dealers definitely have room to manoeuvre.

Thanks tf2

Sub Purchase

Comments