QA bonus agreed

TUBBY

http://www.agriland.ie/news/meat-factories-pay-e3head-qa-payment-tomorrow/

E3 a head for all QA cattle from a QA farm. Hardly the big breakthrough the IFA were looking for.

The 12c still stands for qualifying cattle.

Wouldn't pay for clipping. A joke and another insult to the producer.

Will this appease all parties at the beef forum?

Cavanjack

TUBBY wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/news/meat-factories-pay-e3head-qa-payment-tomorrow/

E3 a head for all QA cattle from a QA farm. Hardly the big breakthrough the IFA were looking for.

The 12c still stands for qualifying cattle.

Wouldn't pay for clipping. A joke and another insult to the producer.

Will this appease all parties at the beef forum?

Goes to show they are not taking the beef forum seriously and factories couldn't care less about the farmer. An insult. Should we have expected any less?

freedominacup

Cavanjack wrote: »

Goes to show they are not taking the beef forum seriously and factories couldn't care less about the farmer. An insult. Should we have expected any less?

I said it st the time we needed to stay picketing. There's two major factories in this area surrounded by dairy farmers. Gonna be very hard to get bodies over the next few months around here and dairy farmers were in the majority of the protesters around here. They'll have a free run through the spring there just won't be the manpower.

Farmer Pudsey

freedominacup wrote: »

I said it st the time we needed to stay picketing. There's two major factories in this area surrounded by dairy farmers. Gonna be very hard to get bodies over the next few months around here and dairy farmers were in the majority of the protesters around here. They'll have a free run through the spring there just won't be the manpower.

It is not about manpower it about effect. The refusal of the IFA to get behind the ICSA proposal to get beef farmers to pull out of the QA scheme is nowshown to be a wrong decision. the only way to negotiate with the processors is by taking there toy that they need off them.

3 euro/head is 1c/kg on a 300kg carcasse, or 0,8c/kg on a 360kg steer carcass the 5/head and the proposal to penalize FS4=/4+ is a disgrace. I for one am glad that I left the IFA and that I have stopped the levy. If this is the best they can negotiate we are as well off without them.

primary 2

what a joke this is, so all that was achieved from this beef forum was a lousy 3 euro a head and a 12 month restriction on weight limits, dual pricing is still taking place if you are not quality assured and anyone that thinks that the quality assurance scheme will rise to 36 months can forget it, thats a non runner.The new qa payment on all stock should of been agreed when all sides were around the table not left till the last minute. When this new base price scheme came in in december 2009 i heard the ifa president on the radio giving his full backing to the new pricing scheme saying people producing quality cattle would benefit from this,anyone i have spoken to over the years dont favour this pricing system,you could send off a load of cattle and every animal could be priced different

Hershall

TUBBY wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/news/meat-factories-pay-e3head-qa-payment-tomorrow/

E3 a head for all QA cattle from a QA farm. Hardly the big breakthrough the IFA were looking for.

The 12c still stands for qualifying cattle.

Wouldn't pay for clipping. A joke and another insult to the producer.

Will this appease all parties at the beef forum?

What ajoke. I even see on the press release it states they will pay 3 euro on cattle that don't already qualify for a qa bonus and are under 36 months. Surely this is a new low. Its an insult to farmers I thought at the very least they would pay 6 cent a kg on under 36 months.

Cavanjack

Doesn't seem to be any comment from the Ifa yet. Probably celebrated long into the night after this success

Farmer Pudsey

Cavanjack wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be any comment from the Ifa yet. Probably celebrated long into the night after this success

There are times to walk away from the table. No deal is better than a bad deal. This is a bad deal. It was time to walk away and slam the door on the way out. It call Stockholm syndrome where you have empathy with your enmey. This is the offical description.

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."

It is something I have suspected for a while is an issue with higher echlons of the IFA. Unions in general have followe the same path.

Sunset V

Does the new "payment" come out of the base price? I presume if in spec bonus is untouched then base price has to be affected??

Base price

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It is something I have suspected for a while is an issue with higher echlons of the IFA. Unions in general have followe the same path.

They truly have lost touch with the ordinary member/farmer. I sympathise with those at local level who put so much into the organisation only to have the higher echelons (as you nicely put it) wipe away any vestige of impartiality and fair representation.
When I read Tubby's link I laughed derisively at the audacity of the factories whilst admitting to myself that I was not surprised in the least. They have the power, they always have and always will have.
At this stage the only way the we feel that we can beat the system is to stop playing the game and quit finishing cattle.
There is an expression that comes to mind that goes something like - stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

rangler1

Sunset V wrote: »

Does the new "payment" come out of the base price? I presume if in spec bonus is untouched then base price has to be affected??

Most farmers were aware that that's the way it was to come...cost neutral to the factories.
The original QA payment turned out to be a penalty to those that weren't in the scheme, how does anyone think that this one is going to be any different.
If you want QA to be worth 20c/kg the base price will be reduced to accommodate that.....sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for

TUBBY

rangler1 wrote: »

Most farmers were aware that that's the way it was to come...cost neutral to the factories.
The original QA payment turned out to be a penalty to those that weren't in the scheme, how does anyone think that this one is going to be any different.
If you want QA to be worth 20c/kg the base price will be reduced to accommodate that.....sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for

So do the IFA see this as a win rangler?
Will it be in the next pamphlet we get on what the IFA are doing for members.

before you answer, please don't turn this around about the farmers are to blame etc etc - this is a genuine YES or NO answer.

rangler1

TUBBY wrote: »

So do the IFA see this as a win rangler?
Will it be in the next pamphlet we get on what the IFA are doing for members.

before you answer, please don't turn this around about the farmers are to blame etc etc - this is a genuine YES or NO answer.

It has delivered what the farmers wanted, a bonus (if you like) for all livestock coming off QA farms......or a penalty for those not, the average price for beef won't change.
It's a waste of time looking for bonuses, it'll only come off the base price.

TUBBY

rangler1 wrote: »

It has delivered what the farmers wanted, a bonus (if you like) for all livestock coming off QA farms......or a penalty for those not, the average price for beef won't change.
It's a waste of time looking for bonuses, it'll only come off the base price.

It is an insult though wouldn't you agree. The fact that an in spec carcass from a qa farm get over E40 for the average bullock (350kg) but that same bullock outside spec gets E3 and both are sold as QA. The animal is already penalised for being out of spec on the grid. Why do it again?

when you are talking about keeping an animal for a year to finish and make a marginal profit (eg E60-100 nett) that difference is huge regarding QA.
And then MII have the neck to say they don't want to push farmers out of business.

rangler1

TUBBY wrote: »

It is an insult though wouldn't you agree. The fact that an in spec carcass from a qa farm get over E40 for the average bullock (350kg) but that same bullock outside spec gets E3 and both are sold as QA. The animal is already penalised for being out of spec on the grid. Why do it again?

when you are talking about keeping an animal for a year to finish and make a marginal profit (eg E60-100 nett) that difference is huge regarding QA.
And then MII have the neck to say they don't want to push farmers out of business.

Definitely an insult, Niall tobin used to tell a joke about giving small tips, If you give nothing ,people are charitable and say you forgot, but if you give a rubbish tip they know you're a mean b.....d.
I'll leave you to come to your own conclusion on the factories

boggerman1

rangler1 wrote: »

It has delivered what the farmers wanted, a bonus (if you like) for all livestock coming off QA farms......or a penalty for those not, the average price for beef won't change.
It's a waste of time looking for bonuses, it'll only come off the base price.

to me that sounds like even U rangler have given up trying to defend the ifa head honchos.

blue5000

TUBBY wrote: »

So do the IFA see this as a win rangler?
Will it be in the next pamphlet we get on what the IFA are doing for members.

before you answer, please don't turn this around about the farmers are to blame etc etc - this is a genuine YES or NO answer.

I won't be getting anymore ifa pamphlets, and when I cancel the levy it will cover some of my transport costs.

Base price

blue5000 wrote: »

I won't be getting anymore ifa pamphlets, and when I cancel the levy it will cover some of my transport costs.

No

rangler1

boggerman1 wrote: »

to me that sounds like even U rangler have given up trying to defend the ifa head honchos.

Not really, but decided many years ago that the factories pay what they like, and nothing's going to change that.
They're still getting all the cattle they need, why would they concede on anything,
We're a euro a kilo behind the French lamb price and not a word about it.

manjou

At that money wouldent pay for signs that had to be put up. Icsa had right idea but not enough supported it .The qa costs very little to get into at moment but has now become a standard that all farms have to have so can see in not to distant future where costs will creep in like paying for inspections minium standards on all aspects of farming which will change at every inspections.Like if slats where not what customer wanted then they could tell you change or no market.So the qa scheme has now become like a licence to produce beef.

And still at end of day they are getting all cattle they want if farm organisations want to combat this they should tell farmers to sell cows and reduce numbers only way to fight is if they have no cattle in lairages in year or 2. WAit till results from dawn suckler farm come out bet will say need more numbers to increase margins

Bullocks

manjou wrote: »

At that money wouldent pay for signs that had to be put up. Icsa had right idea but not enough supported it .The qa costs very little to get into at moment but has now become a standard that all farms have to have so can see in not to distant future where costs will creep in like paying for inspections minium standards on all aspects of farming which will change at every inspections.Like if slats where not what customer wanted then they could tell you change or no market.So the qa scheme has now become like a licence to produce beef.

And still at end of day they are getting all cattle they want if farm organisations want to combat this they should tell farmers to sell cows and reduce numbers only way to fight is if they have no cattle in lairages in year or 2. WAit till results from dawn suckler farm come out bet will say need more numbers to increase margins

There will be great honesty on that research farm fully paid for by a processor !
Bord Bia should be scrapped by farmers until they are able to find markets and pay that are equal to the beef we produce . As it is we are sending in very good , traceable beef for the same or less as other countries , its a joke

FYM

currently all cattle produced on a qa farm (cows, heifers,bulls,bullocks) are marketed as quality assured. only last week a major factor stated that over 90% of the cattle killed are qa cattle.
factories are simply using qa beef from cows and "out if spec" animals to lower the base price.

why would they want "in spec" prime cattle when cheap cows can be sold into the same market as qa beef.

qa was brought in to reward quality cattle produced in ireland i.e. to protect the suckler industry - it has had the opposite effect.

beef produced for qa markets should only come from the original vision if the scheme OR pay the 12 cent bonus on ALL qa animals without discrimination