shops open again?

celica00

This might be a stupid question but as someone who is not into shopping and normally spends the holidays outside of town.....
when are the shops open again? i assume winter sales are on too?
Are they open Sat (27th) and Sunday? mahon, wilton etc

thanks

jimmynokia

There is some chain stores open and sales on,personally i think its stupid,people have worked hard over the xmas and staff should be given time off to spend with family and so should the greedy store owners.

Seen many people ask about how the staff get paid today some shops even hire in cheap staff at minimum rate.Fine it works for the economy but still.

Sales should be left till the new year so everyone gets time with family,christmas has just become too commercialised now,wont be long before the shops open xmas day.

celica00

i was thinking the same actually and therefore thought that shops may be closed until the 28th
I will probably be out and about for Sunday so, kinda expected the shops to be closed until then....but for some people it probably doesnt matter to work now...hopefully

the beer revolu

While I think it is crazy, shops being open today, my niece is working today at double time and is glad of the work/money.

But I also think that whoever makes the decision to open should work and that no staff should be pressured into working public holidays.

karmazyn

Why is everyone so concerned about the retail workers? What about hospitals, garda stations, maaaany factories that run 24/7. I think it's nobody's business how others run their business. If you want to stay open all day and night, you should be allowed to. It would be good for the people and good for the economy. Personally I think that it's crazy that I wasn't able to buy a stupid loaf of bread because every place was forced to be closed yesterday.

the beer revolu

karmazyn wrote: »

Why is everyone so concerned about the retail workers? What about hospitals, garda stations, maaaany factories that run 24/7. I think it's nobody's business how others run their business. If you want to stay open all day and night, you should be allowed to. It would be good for the people and good for the economy. Personally I think that it's crazy that I wasn't able to buy a stupid loaf of bread because every place was forced to be closed yesterday.

Comparing medical staff and garda to retail staff is just stupid.
Nobody forced shops to close yesterday, there are always garage shops open.
Shops do stay open 24 hours.

What people are arguing is that staff shouldn't be pressured / forced into working what are traditional, family holidays.

karmazyn

Comparing medical staff and garda to retail staff is just stupid.

Stupid how? Are they somehow privileged?

What people are arguing is that staff shouldn't be pressured / forced into working what are traditional, family holidays.

How do you mean, forced?

the beer revolu

karmazyn wrote: »

Stupid how? Are they somehow privileged?


How do you mean, forced?

Stupid because it is. I really don't believe you need the difference explained to you and you are being obtuse. If you do need the difference explained, maybe someone else can do it, I can't be bothered explaining the obvious.

By forced I mean being made to fear for their jobs if they don't comply with what many would consider an unreasonable request to, unnecessarily, work public holidays just so people can shop in the sales a day early.

If people volunteer to work these days, I have no problem.

bladebrew

I think people get pissed off because a few years ago nowhere opened in Ireland and then a few English stores started opening which made all the irish shops open, the first year the company I worked for offered money and vouchers for working Stephens day and a few people jumped at the chance and worked it, so the next year? No vouchers and we are still open Stephens day!

I head to Dublin to my family and was harassed by staff saying well your are working Stephens day next year! (In Cork) I refused and then left the company the next year so the people who jumped at the chance of a crappy voucher and a day off are still working Stephens day!
Buying bread on Christmas Day? Are you taking the piss?

karmazyn

Stupid because it is. I really don't believe you need the difference explained to you and you are being obtuse. If you do need the difference explained, maybe someone else can do it, I can't be bothered explaining the obvious.

How eloquent.

By forced I mean being made to fear for their jobs if they don't comply with what many would consider an unreasonable request to, unnecessarily, work public holidays just so people can shop in the sales a day early.

What kind of socialist bull is this? When my boss asks me to do overtime or come in to work on Saturday I have to consider that the refusal will get me on the naughty list. Maybe not fired but omitted the next time if there's a promotion coming. Who knows, maybe he won't renew my contract next time because I'm not someone he can count on. When working in the private sector you have to be willing to go the extra mile. If you don't like the conditions then change your job or better yet, start your own business so you can make the rules.

If people volunteer to work these days, I have no problem.

Right. Tell your boss that you'll be coming to work when it suits you.

karmazyn

Buying bread on Christmas Day? Are you taking the piss?

A figure of speech.

the beer revolu

karmazyn wrote: »

How eloquent.

Why, thank you.

By the way, referring to another poster's views as "bull" (I have no problem with my views being termed socialist - even if incorrectly) is rude and disrespectful.

karmazyn

Why, thank you.

You had nothing to back your position so you just said that it's "obvious".

By the way, referring to another poster's views as "bull" (I have no problem with my views being termed socialist - even if incorrectly) is rude and disrespectful.

Ugh.

twowheelsonly

karmazyn wrote: »

Why is everyone so concerned about the retail workers? What about hospitals, garda stations, maaaany factories that run 24/7. I think it's nobody's business how others run their business. If you want to stay open all day and night, you should be allowed to. It would be good for the people and good for the economy. Personally I think that it's crazy that I wasn't able to buy a stupid loaf of bread because every place was forced to be closed yesterday.

karmazyn wrote: »

Stupid how? Are they somehow privileged?


How do you mean, forced?

Stupid because one category provides essential services, the other is nothing more than greedy consumerism, both from business owners and customers.
You know damn well what he means by 'forced' as well.

A couple of questions for you:
Do you work Christmas yourself ?
Do you really feel the need to have to be able to buy something every day of the year?
How is it 'good for the people' (especially) and also good for the economy to have businesses open 24/7 ?

54kroc

the beer revolu wrote: »

Why, thank you.

By the way, referring to another poster's views as "bull" (I have no problem with my views being termed socialist - even if incorrectly) is rude and disrespectful.

It might be rude but at least they were straight up about it and didn't say it in a roundabout smart ass way.

Obviously Xmas for a lot of businesses is the most profitable time of the year, if someone doesn't want to work over xmas find a different line of work is my advice.

54kroc

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Stupid because one category provides essential services, the other is nothing more than greedy consumerism, both from business owners and customers.
You know damn well what he means by 'forced' as well.

A couple of questions for you:
Do you work Christmas yourself ?
Do you really feel the need to have to be able to buy something every day of the year?
How is it 'good for the people' (especially) and also good for the economy to have businesses open 24/7 ?

Is how our world works? Unlimited wants and limited resources, my pockets would be empty otherwise.

karmazyn

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Stupid because one category provides essential services

I consider food to be essential

twowheelsonly wrote: »

the other is nothing more than greedy consumerism, both from business owners and customers.

I call it earning money.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

You know damn well what he means by 'forced' as well.

I do and i does not apply here. There are other jobs.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

A couple of questions for you:
Do you work Christmas yourself ?

Not anymore but I used to for years. Also new years eve, new years day, easter, Martin Luther King day, any time of the day or night, sometimes 14 hour shifts which sucked but money was good. Then I changed my job.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Do you really feel the need to have to be able to buy something every day of the year?

I don't feel the need. Sometimes I simply have the need to buy something.

twowheelsonly wrote: »

How is it 'good for the people' (especially) and also good for the economy to have businesses open 24/7 ?

Simple. Longer opening times. Higher demand for workforce. More people employed. More money in our pockets. We spend more thus creating more workplaces. Less unemployed. Less money being taken out of our pockets to support the unemployed.

jimmynokia

Lets look at this again some really stupid comments here and unrelated posts too..One being earning money above,yeah they have earned the money with the hectic hours prior xmas day.

Services like medical and garda for example will be running on a most likely skeleton staff rota,some opt in some dont some switch the job for new years or xmas,or some may have done it last year and someone else does it next year.
Big difference between emergency services and stupid tv and fridge discounts..


Some staff are forced to work we still live in a state where store owners can use bullyboy tactics and say find a job elsewhere if you dont,this still goes on so dont deny it..


Sales are actually not so profit yeilding as one would think either,people have done their xmas shopping for xmas day not to go shopping for xmas on stephens day and hold xmas the day after,fine some will have gotten cash gifts etc and want to go buy something at a good price..

This all happened years ago when the UK stores started this and now we have an influx of UK chain stores here,i also remember when shops where closed for days and the local non spar,mace, for example was open for the likes of bread,milk and batteries.

Typically what i remember here was the store owner themselves where working and nobody else so they gave their full time staff off to spend time with family..

Today we have e-commerce taking over and still we see shops opening at the stupid o clock hours which i think is utter madness.So as i originally said at the beggining i think shops should remain closed for a few days and keep all the sales as before January sales and thats it,come Jan 2015 there will be nothing left and then we see shop owners complaining its quite,hours for staff cut etc..

Its Christmas,staff worked hard prior everyone deserves a few days off including the store owners..

Faith

karmazyn wrote: »

What kind of socialist bull is this? When my boss asks me to do overtime or come in to work on Saturday I have to consider that the refusal will get me on the naughty list. Maybe not fired but omitted the next time if there's a promotion coming. Who knows, maybe he won't renew my contract next time because I'm not someone he can count on. When working in the private sector you have to be willing to go the extra mile. If you don't like the conditions then change your job or better yet, start your own business so you can make the rules.

You cannot compare a full time, well paid, salaried position with a career track and promotion opportunities, to a minimum wage, hourly paid, probably zero-hour contract where you'd be very lucky to be paid for your overtime job in retail. Retail workers, who're not at management level, are typically students or immigrants who need money in the immediate term and cannot simply get another job or start a business. When you work in retail, you know that you are immediately replaceable with absolutely no effort or time lost on management's behalf.

I've worked in retail jobs where I got no overtime pay, no extra pay for working bank holidays, no holiday pay at all, no guarantee of any hours for weeks at a time in quiet periods but I needed those jobs desperately. I wouldn't have complained or rocked the boat in the slightest for fear of losing my job, so I'd absolutely have felt forced into working a day like Stephen's day if I was fostered to do it, or asked.

54kroc

Do people accept that around these few weeks is when some businesses make more profit than at any other point during the year?
The money being made now is what pays the wages in the slow months to come.

jimmynokia

54kroc wrote: »

Do people accept that around these few weeks is when some businesses make more profit than at any other point during the year?
The money being made now is what pays the wages in the slow months to come.

Actually not completely true,sale prices do not give store much profit actually some dont break even.
Sales work just by how the like of tesco and dunnes work,have cheap items so visible in the hope they buy something else.

54kroc

jimmynokia wrote: »

Actually not completely true,sale prices do not give store much profit actually some dont break even.
Sales work just by how the like of tesco and dunnes work,have cheap items so visible in the hope they buy something else.

I'm well aware of how sales work, that's why I didn't mention them, I hope I didn't anyway.
I guess I'm not posting from a retail or employee angle though.
From my own point of view there's a six week block around xmas when no time can be taken off by contractors, one day off for xmas day, every other day is expected to be worked.
If someone decides they want time off they'll get it followed by a whole year of time off in the new year.

jimmynokia

54kroc wrote: »

I'm well aware of how sales work, that's why I didn't mention them, I hope I didn't anyway.
I guess I'm not posting from a retail or employee angle though.
From my own point of view there's a six week block around xmas when no time can be taken off by contractors, one day off for xmas day, every other day is expected to be worked.
If someone decides they want time off they'll get it followed by a whole year of time off in the new year.

Another argument for another time but thats valid but also forced. No need for it.

54kroc

jimmynokia wrote: »

Another argument for another time but thats valid but also forced. No need for it.

Does the market not determine the need? Clearly there is a need otherwise nothing described on the thread would happen.

Faith

54kroc wrote: »

Does the market not determine the need? Clearly there is a need otherwise nothing described on the thread would happen.

'Need' is very different to 'want'.

54kroc

Faith wrote: »

'Need' is very different to 'want'.

Yes it is.

Sonics2k

karmazyn wrote: »

I consider food to be essential



I call it earning money.



I do and i does not apply here. There are other jobs.



Not anymore but I used to for years. Also new years eve, new years day, easter, Martin Luther King day, any time of the day or night, sometimes 14 hour shifts which sucked but money was good. Then I changed my job.



I don't feel the need. Sometimes I simply have the need to buy something.



Simple. Longer opening times. Higher demand for workforce. More people employed. More money in our pockets. We spend more thus creating more workplaces. Less unemployed. Less money being taken out of our pockets to support the unemployed.

By any chance, are you an American?

twowheelsonly

karmazyn wrote: »

I consider food to be essential

Sure is, but if you're even the smallest bit organised or sensible you can surely buy it in advance??
You an't call the cops/ambulance in advance..



I call it earning money.

If that's the most important thing to you then so be it..



I do and i does not apply here. There are other jobs.

Not everyone has the option of packing up their jobs on the spot and well you know it.



Not anymore but I used to for years. Also new years eve, new years day, easter, Martin Luther King day, any time of the day or night, sometimes 14 hour shifts which sucked but money was good. Then I changed my job.





I don't feel the need. Sometimes I simply have the need to buy something.

We all do, doesn't mean that someone should be at our beck and call to satisfy that need. Plan ahead .



Simple. Longer opening times. Higher demand for workforce. More people employed. More money in our pockets. We spend more thus creating more workplaces. Less unemployed. Less money being taken out of our pockets to support the unemployed.
BS. I spent many, many years in retail, (at management level) and this is simply untrue. Christmas staff are part-time, usually students, that are making drinking money or money for college fees. Overheads for the business go up, overall extra profit is negligible but it's a case of ABC are open so XYZ have to open too. The money that people have to spend is finite. Trust me, if no, say electrical shops, opened for 3 days after Xmas they'd still have the exact same turnover if they all opened then, but without the Bank Holiday/Sunday rates to worry about for those that do pay it. i.e. lower overheads - more profit.

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gimmick

So. The shops are open then? Great.

gimmick

Update. Mahon Point was open today. The queue was back as far as the Rochestown turn off.

My god.

delahuntv

To those saying shop workers are "forced" to work, possibly they don't work in retail.

Remember many staff are students and they LOVE the extra hours.

Most stores have enough staff to ensure those who want Christmas off, can get Christmas off. Most decent employers (and most are decent) can manage that easily.

My stores were closed on New Year's day (and stephen's day) - I had staff saying that they were available if I changed my mind !!! - Damn, I was almost bullied by some of them to open!!

Corholio

delahuntv wrote: »

To those saying shop workers are "forced" to work, possibly they don't work in retail.

Remember many staff are students and they LOVE the extra hours.

Most stores have enough staff to ensure those who want Christmas off, can get Christmas off. Most decent employers (and most are decent) can manage that easily.

My stores were closed on New Year's day (and stephen's day) - I had staff saying that they were available if I changed my mind !!! - Damn, I was almost bullied by some of them to open!!

I think your mixing up loving to work and loving to have extra money. I know plenty of places, through experience and otherwise, who would ask you to work these hours and either make it clear or just hint that should you not accept these hours that hours might be 'very hard to come by' in the future.

Of course not all retail stores do this, but don't be condescending to people who obviously have worked in retail and play off retailers as the bastions of goodwill.