Dublin Bus - Changes to routes due to Luas work in the new year

thomasj

So....... If you look at the news page on the Dublin bus site, you will see a dozen , if not more news items relating to reroutings and timetable or terminus changes due to the upcoming luas works in the city.

Main changes are:

- Buses will not serve Suffolk street while luas works are taking place.

- as a result, rathmines city bus routes that currently serve suffolk street, will now serve Camden street, aungier street, south great Georges street and dame street (14_ 15/a/b, 140, 142) the news item also states there may be revised timetables for some if not all of the above routes

- the rest of the routes that currently serve Suffolk street, will turn right to Nassau street before running via Lincoln place, Westland row and pearse street. This includes Lucan routes ( 25/a/b will also now serve merrion square north and clare street) , blanchardstown routes and n11 routes along with xpresso services) pearse street is about to get a lot busier. This only affects northbound services, southbound will remain the same.

- the long awaited changes to the 145 that see the terminus moved to ballywaltrim and 145s no longer serving kilmacanogue and 45as extended to kilmacanogue. New timetables coming for 45a, 145 and 184

- new revised timetables are coming for the 11, 38/a/b, 39/a, 46a, 47, 70 and 145

- the city bound stop just after the DIT on aungier street. (Peter row, stop 1354) will no longer be active. The next active stop will be outside the church on whitefriar street (stop 1355)

- 33s and the 41s will no longer stop at o connell street. These will turn left onto cathal brugha street before going right to Marlborough street.

- Route 27a, 29a, 31/a, 31b, 32, 32x and 130 will not use Talbot street for 6 weeks from the 18th January 2015. Instead they will go via Gardiner street, cathal brugha street and stop on Marlborough street. The 31/a , 32 terminus will temporarily move to lower abbey street.

- the 49, 54a and 84x terminus, currently on college street will now move to stop 7588 on pearse street. Furthermore 84x northbound will turn right to Nassau street before serving Lincoln place, Westland row and pearse street.

All of these details are on the Dublin bus website.

The majority of these changes are advertised as kicking in from the 18th January 2015.

Dublin bus are saying any timetable revisions will be published online on the 5th January 2015

cdebru

So presumably the Gardai have been told not to triple park outside pearse street Garda station then ?

AngryLips

I wonder if these are permanent changes. Why couldn't they have made the non-pedestrianised portion of Grafton Street leading up to College Green open to two-way traffic. That would have been less disruptive.

cgcsb

I'd imagine that some of the changes will be permanent which is a good thing in my book. At present trying to get through the crowds and walls of yellow double deckers on suffolk street is such a nightmare. That nightmare stems from Dublin Bus's O'Connell Bridge fetish, somewhat relieved by the Rosie Hacket. We should have a bit of variety in the bus routes. Can you imagine the Luas trying to get through Dawson street along with half of Dublin's Bus Routes.

eclectichoney

Hoping the TT changes to 46a and 145 don't reduce the frequency at peak times - already overcrowded a lot of the time (albeit a pretty regular service to be fair)

Alun

eclectichoney wrote: »

Hoping the TT changes to 46a and 145 don't reduce the frequency at peak times - already overcrowded a lot of the time (albeit a pretty regular service to be fair)

It'll be interesting to see what effect the change in route actually has. The position of the new layby will presumably mean that buses will have to do a 360 around the Woodies roundabout. Easy enough most of the time, but at peak leaving time for the businesses on the Southern Cross it can get completely blocked for anything other than Southern Cross -> N11 traffic.

AlekSmart

Alun wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what effect the change in route actually has. The position of the new layby will presumably mean that buses will have to do a 360 around the Woodies roundabout. Easy enough most of the time, but at peak leaving time for the businesses on the Southern Cross it can get completely blocked for anything other than Southern Cross -> N11 traffic.

The new 145 Terminus will be the current 45A terminus at Ballywaltrim Cemetery.(5092/4177) This means that buses may also use the Hills Garage roundabout to turn.

Alun

AlekSmart wrote: »

The new 145 Terminus will be the current 45A terminus at Ballywaltrim Cemetery.(5092/4177) This means that buses may also use the Hills Garage roundabout to turn.

So what's the new layby for then?

LXFlyer

Nothing really surprising here - these changes were reported on this forum several months ago.

The route changes are for the duration of the LUAS works, although the Leeson Street routes may be further diverted northbound via Kildare Street (and a contra flow bus lane) in due course.

My understanding is that once the works are completed the plan is for the routes to revert to their present route once again.

There are likely to be more timetable changes for all the routes diverted via Camden Street in addition to the routes mentioned above.

AlekSmart

Alun wrote: »

So what's the new layby for then?

Layover.(or to use the London expression Bus Stance)

LXFlyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

Layover.(or to use the London expression Bus Stance)

Bus stand surely Alek?

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

Bus stand surely Alek?

Mea Culpa.....STAND !...either way,the distinction will be somewhat academic in Dublin (or Bray )!!

thomasj

lxflyer wrote:

Nothing really surprising here - these changes were reported on this forum several months ago.

true, but not everyone heard of these changes plus its easier to have one area to read about all changes rather than have to read about 20 news items

Victor

I just hope that they make Camden Street-George's Street a red route: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_route

AlekSmart

Victor wrote: »

I just hope that they make Camden Street-George's Street a red route: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_route

So do I Victor,so do I.....however as yet,I've seen little mention of this element of "The London Model" from our NTA....I'd imagine this bit would put us right off of it.....

The 580 km of red routes in London are policed by "Red Route Patrols" and managed by London Streets, an arm of Transport for London.

StreetLight

A 24-hour clearway between Kelly's Corner and George's Street would surely help.

dfx-

I suspect you don't need to read that far down why it might not be a goer, Alek

The prohibition extends to stopping for loading or unloading, and to boarding or alighting from a vehicle (except for licensed taxis )

Last Saturday there was bedlam as AX462 broke down outside Against The Grain at 11pm.:D:eek:

Are they planning to stop the 15s etc at the Ulster Bank stop on Dame St? The 27, 151 have quietly moved to serve the old 15 stop on College Green, joining the 15. Will the 77A/56A move there as well..

LXFlyer

The stops are all listed on the leaflet below:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/12071/Dawson_st_LCC_changes_leaflet_for%20web.pdf

Also the 9, 16, 65/b, 68/a 83 and 122 will no longer seve the first inbound stop on Aungier Street.

dfx-

They're all established stops as far as I can see. Are the extra RTPI poles dotted on the street not going to be used so? The 15 stops on College Green and then 100m later outside H&M?

Victor

dfx- wrote: »

The 15 stops on College Green

A Luas stop is to be built there, so that stop may not last.

KD345

dfx- wrote: »

They're all established stops as far as I can see. Are the extra RTPI poles dotted on the street not going to be used so? The 15 stops on College Green and then 100m later outside H&M?

They are new stops on College Green, also inbound on George's Street, outbound on Redmonds Hill and inbound on Camden Street.

There is only one stop in each direction for the 15 on College Green.

KD345

Victor wrote: »

A Luas stop is to be built there, so that stop may not last.

The Luas stop will be on College Street.

dfx-

Victor wrote: »

A Luas stop is to be built there, so that stop may not last.

I thought it might be a temporary replacement for the Hawkins St stops being taken away when the 27 and 151 moved there too. It doesn't make sense for the 15 to stop there and again on Dame St. It isn't on the RTPI list for the route on the DB website.

LXFlyer

The stop between Eden Quay and College Green on the 15 is going to be an ongoing moving feast while the works continue.

The current bus stop on College Street for routes 15, 27 and 151 is only a temporary one while the buses cannot stop on Hawkins Street.

The stop on College Green will be permanent.

At least the huge gap in the 15a and 15b stops in the city centre will be narrowed.

LXFlyer

Here is the earlier notice re the move of the stop from Hawkins Street to College Street. Note that College Street had ceased being a stop on the 15/a/b back in mid-June due to the LUAS works.

http://dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Change-of-bus-stops-on-Routes-15-27-27x-51d-and-151/

Change of bus stops on Routes 15, 27, 27x, 49, 51d, 54a, 84x and 151

Published on Friday, October 24, 2014

Dublin Bus wishes to advise customers that due to Luas Cross City works stop CL 4494 will be temporarily out of use from Monday, November 3rd 2014 for approximately 2 months.

Routes 15, 27, 27x and 151 will serve stop CY 7583 and Route 51d will serve stop CV 342 (currently serving routes 49, 54a and 84x) both situated on College Street.

Please see map below to locate your bus stop.

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Looks like the bus lane has been expanded to two lanes on Pearse Street from Westland Row to I guess the junction at the Fire Station? (Wasnt up that far to confirm)

This is a most welcome change. Interested to see if it is maintained up and past the garda station..

LXFlyer

The contra-flow bus lane on Camden Street and South Richmond Street is due to come into operation tomorrow, 14 January.

Initially (until Sunday), routes 65, 65b, 83 and 83a will use it.

I do have misgivings about this however:
- The loading bay appears to have been retained inside the bus lane rather than becoming the bus lane - this has reduced the road space.

- No adjustment has been made to the kerb on the inbound side of Harrington Street at the junction with Camden Street. Buses need to swing out to two lanes width to make that turn and the backlog of traffic I can see causing serious issues. The footpath should have been cut right back to allow buses make that turn without having to swing out so far.

dfx-

So far from getting southbound 65/83s, it's working ok, swing isn't too much.

The real pinch point is for northbound buses coming off Richmond St at the AIB bank with the bollards and the parked cars squeezing room.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

The contra-flow bus lane on Camden Street and South Richmond Street is due to come into operation tomorrow, 14 January.

Initially (until Sunday), routes 65, 65b, 83 and 83a will use it.

I do have misgivings about this however:
- The loading bay appears to have been retained inside the bus lane rather than becoming the bus lane - this has reduced the road space.

-No adjustment has been made to the kerb on the inbound side of Harrington Street at the junction with Camden Street. Buses need to swing out to two lanes width to make that turn and the backlog of traffic I can see causing serious issues.The footpath should have been cut right back to allow buses make that turn without having to swing out so far.

This location,underlines another significant difference between the "Transport for DUBLIN" model and other "Transport's for ......." agencies.

Dublin City Council's Senior Roads & Traffic officials are VERY reluctant to surrender or otherwise modify any Pedestrian related facilities...often in the face of significant Road Safety,Operational,and Commonsense arguements....This is NOT London,and we simply have to reaccquaint ourselves with that traditional Irish approach to problem solving......The Compromise :rolleyes:

LXFlyer

Add to that the yellow box on Camden Street to allow buses cross from the stop to the bus lane heading south.

It's way too small and is being flagrantly ignored.

Surely a signal controlled bus gate would have been better?

Spanish Eyes

The 25A revised route on DB website under "news" shows the new route, but under "Timetables revised gives the route as follows:

Merrion Sq. (nothing about MSq North!)
Clare Street/Nassau Street !!

Nothing about Pearse Street.

This is so confusing.

LXFlyer

What is confusing about it at all?

Here is the link to a map of the new 25/25a/25b routing along with the new bus stops, that is clearly listed on the Dublin Bus homepage.

http://dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Re-routing-of-Routes-25-25a-and-25b-due-to-Luas-Cross-City-Works/

I don't know how much clearer they could make it!!

KD345

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The 25A revised route on DB website under "news" shows the new route, but under "Timetables revised gives the route as follows:

Merrion Sq. (nothing about MSq North!)
Clare Street/Nassau Street !!

Nothing about Pearse Street.

This is so confusing.

You're reading the stage points, Clare Street and Nassau Street are stage points for this route, not Pearse Street. The routing given on the news page is the correct (it will follow the 66/67 routing).

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

What is confusing about it at all?

Here is the link to a map of the new 25/25a/25b routing along with the new bus stops, that is clearly listed on the Dublin Bus homepage.

http://dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Re-routing-of-Routes-25-25a-and-25b-due-to-Luas-Cross-City-Works/

I don't know how much clearer they could make it!!

One late and quite significant alteration is the relocation of the 11,46A,145 group from Stop 342 College St to Stop 345 Pearse St.

Many of the Information Leaflets already distributed contain the erroneous information which should never have occurred given that significant concerns had been raised in relation to Buses being required to engage in sharp manouveres in confined areas at an early stage.

However,at least somebody managed to recognize reality.....eventually

Spanish Eyes

lxflyer wrote: »

What is confusing about it at all?

Here is the link to a map of the new 25/25a/25b routing along with the new bus stops, that is clearly listed on the Dublin Bus homepage.

http://dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Re-routing-of-Routes-25-25a-and-25b-due-to-Luas-Cross-City-Works/

I don't know how much clearer they could make it!!

yes. I read the re routing news item. Grand. Got all that.

But when I went in to the actual timetables, there is no mention of Pearse Street routing at the end of the timetable listing, where it gives the stages and so on.

Sometimes people do check the timetables to get an idea of the timings of the route, and the actual route itself!

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/25a-Revised-Times2/

Spanish Eyes

KD345 wrote: »

You're reading the stage points, Clare Street and Nassau Street are stage points for this route, not Pearse Street. The routing given on the news page is the correct (it will follow the 66/67 routing).

Thank you for that. But it's not enough information at the same time is it!

KD345

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thank you for that. But it's not enough information at the same time is it!

If you're looking for a route map or list of stops then you're best to consult the Dublin Bus website. You said you had read the news page with the new route information. That couldn't be any clearer.

You were looking at stage points for fares. There isn't a stage point on Pearse Street which is why its not listed.

Victor

lxflyer wrote: »

Add to that the yellow box on Camden Street to allow buses cross from the stop to the bus lane heading south.

It's way too small and is being flagrantly ignored.

Surely a signal controlled bus gate would have been better?

One was installed with the Camden Street re-working about 10 years ago. It was never turned on. Just like the Rathmines one.

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..and on the first rush hour with the new routings active, rtpi (online at least) is offline.

I wish I could say I am surprised.

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