Penalty Points On Uk Licence

paul7g

Hello,

My brother was home for a week recently, and i got him insured on my car.

I received a notice in the post confirming that i had received 3 points for speeding in Kildare, however i haven't been in Kildare for a few years, however my brother was.

I've handed the letter to my brother to sort out, however he has asked me if he needs to pay the €80 fine too, as his license is a UK license?

Can anyone shed any light on how he should complete the form, as he said it is not very clear on what he needs to do.

corktina

you should have just filled in his details and sent back the letter. It would be up to them then to chase him.

Scottie99

corktina wrote: »

you should have just filled in his details and sent back the letter. It would be up to them then to chase him.

It's happened to me also. Just inform the authorities and give them his address. If he pays or doesn't pay that should be the end of it..

Fred Swanson

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slimjimmc

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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OP, I think what Fred means is that you are required to return the fixed penalty notice with the details of the other driver and you must do it within the deadline. This will result in the allegation against you being dropped and a new penalty notice being sent to your brother. It's then up to him to answer the charge or suffer the consequences. He cannot get points on is UK licence but he can get the fine. Failure to pay the fine or appear in court could nip him if he comes to the attention of the Gardaí in future.


If you fail to return the notice or fail to return it in time you can be summoned to court so get it back from your brother pronto.

paul7g

He has agreed to pay the fine, as he doesn't want it coming back on my car either.

corktina

It's no good him just paying the fine as you'll still get the points. You need return the penalty notice properly so that a new one will be issued to your brother. It's no skin off your nose whether off your nose if he doesn't pay once the ticket gets issued to him

Del2005

paul7g wrote: »

He has agreed to pay the fine, as he doesn't want it coming back on my car either.

As the others have said it up to you to post the notice back with your brothers details as that's the only way it won't come back on YOU* and not your car, he'll then get a letter and he can do as he pleases with it, but you have to have it back it the fines office before the 28 days from issue are up or else it'll be off to court with you.

One thing to note is that even though he can't get points on his UK licence his Irish drivers number will have get them and if he ever swaps to an Irish licence he'll have the 3 points straight away on his licence.






*Assuming you're the registered owner.

paul7g

Hi,

My brother has an address in Ireland and in the UK. Which address should he put down considering he has a UK license and not an Irish license.

Is this process a bit of a joke? It seems like it is wide open for anyone to just put down some random person's name in the UK, along with a fake license number?

Fred Swanson

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slimjimmc

paul7g wrote: »

Hi,

My brother has an address in Ireland and in the UK. Which address should he put down considering he has a UK license and not an Irish license.

Is this process a bit of a joke? It seems like it is wide open for anyone to just put down some random person's name in the UK, along with a fake license number?

It's like any other situation, if the Gardaí believe you have given false details then you'll be in far deeper trouble.

Fred Swanson

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paul7g

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Like most people, I have plenty of friends in the UK, and if it's no skin of their back for someone to use their license details, then it all seems a bit too open.

I personally think there should be more security around foreign license numbers being used.

rocky

Are non-residents insured on irish reg cars? Not by default I'd say.

Fred Swanson

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slinky2000

I had a uk licence down here for 11 years, I received a few points and fines in my time.

I just paid the fine, give them my Irish address and I got a letter a few weeks later saying the points I had gotten are waiting for me when I get a valid Irish licence as the time the points expire is only ticking away whenever you hold one.

I eventually changed over to an Irish licence a few years ago and never received any points..... I never asked any questions.

Gwynston

slinky2000 wrote: »

I eventually changed over to an Irish licence a few years ago and ever received any points..... I never asked any questions.

I presume that should say "never received any points...." ?

Is so, that's interesting. I too have had the letter when paying a speeding fine which said the points were waiting for me whenever I get an Irish license. This has put me off getting one, despite it being a couple of years since my fine.

I wonder - had you changed address when you got your Irish license?

firestarter51

i got a fine 80 euro and two points ( for passing a passenger a paper from my door), have an irish and uk address, used the irish and sent off a copy of my uk licence, asked a local guard i know he said that will be the end of it
i rang the helpline and they said the points will be on file,happy days
as for getting an irish licence, ive been slow to do this so far, i think i will bite the bullet when this current expires, i dont seem to be racking up the points here as much as when i was in the uk, must be getting old lol

anyway, pay the fine, put his details as being the driver and forget about it
oh and take a photocopy and register the letter, better than getting a summons

firestarter51

Gwynston wrote: »

I presume that should say "never received any points...." ?

Is so, that's interesting. I too have had the letter when paying a speeding fine which said the points were waiting for me whenever I get an Irish license. This has put me off getting one, despite it being a couple of years since my fine.

I wonder - had you changed address when you got your Irish license?

points are only valid for a certain period after they are issued im sure
2 points 2 years for example

Fred Swanson

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paul7g

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I heard that they will not be able to transfer points from a UK to an Irish license. They are trying to bring this into action, but it is not in place at the moment.

And when they do, they will only be able to apply it to any new points that are on a UK license from the date that the law is enforced.

firestarter51

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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good job i only have two waiting for me

Fred Swanson

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paul7g

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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When a law is introduced, it can never prosecute a person for actions they previously carried out before the law was introduced. A law is only effective from the day it is introduced... hence why anyone who changes from a UK license to an Irish license never "gets the points that were waiting".

Gwynston

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That's what I was told, which is why I was interested in what happened to slinky2000 when getting an Irish license.

I have an old style UK license, which is valid until my 65th birthday :cool: so I'm reluctant to change it. But I don't think that piece of paper is gonna physically last another 20 years!

Gwynston

paul7g wrote: »

When a law is introduced, it can never prosecute a person for actions they previously carried out before the law was introduced. A law is only effective from the day it is introduced... hence why anyone who changes from a UK license to an Irish license never "gets the points that were waiting".

Bit I was originally fined under an old, existing law.

And anyway, why would they say what they said in my letter (about keeping my points on record ready for when I apply for an Irish license), if they can't do it?

paul7g

Gwynston wrote: »

Bit I was originally fined under an old, existing law.

And anyway, why would they say what they said in my letter (about keeping my points on record ready for when I apply for an Irish license), if they can't do it?

It's something they are trying to enforce but are having difficulty doing so, for the above reason i mentioned... however it is not currently in place.

slinky2000

Gwynston wrote: »

I presume that should say "never received any points...." ?

Is so, that's interesting. I too have had the letter when paying a speeding fine which said the points were waiting for me whenever I get an Irish license. This has put me off getting one, despite it being a couple of years since my fine.

I wonder - had you changed address when you got your Irish license?

Yea I had changed address many times in between. I thought they would have been smart enough to issue the points to an Irish licence that was transferred from the UK licence number the points were issued to.... Seems not so!

Rippy

I got caught speeding in 2003 when I had a UK licence . UK licence ran out in 2011 and exchanged for irish licence . Had completly forgotten about the points by then. I got a letter straight away telling me 2 points had been added to my licence .

Del2005

rocky wrote: »

Are non-residents insured on irish reg cars? Not by default I'd say.

They happily took my money and issued the points when I was caught on my brothers bike, never asked if I was licensed taxed or insured.

Mo60

Rippy wrote: »

I got caught speeding in when I had a UK licence . UK licence ran out in 2011 and exchanged for irish licence . Had completly forgotten about the points by then. I got a letter straight away telling me 2 points had been added to my licence .

How long after you got caught for speeding did you exchange your licence?

Rippy

Mo60 wrote: »

How long after you got caught for speeding did you exchange your licence?

Was caught in 2003 so 8 years .
F#ckers 😡

paul7g

Rippy wrote: »

Was caught in 2003 so 8 years .
F#ckers 😡

You picked up the points 8 years ago... and they were on your new Irish license 8 years later after?

firestarter51

paul7g wrote: »

You picked up the points 8 years ago... and they were on your new Irish license 8 years later after?

i was given points 6 years ago, thankfully it was only two, i have moved address a couple of times since then.
a friend of mine that's a guard told me to hang onto it for as long as possible, seems pointless if they keep the points warm

paul7g

firestarter51 wrote: »

i was given points 6 years ago, thankfully it was only two, i have moved address a couple of times since then.
a friend of mine that's a guard told me to hang onto it for as long as possible, seems pointless if they keep the points warm

I thought they would have expired after 2 years if anything.

Mo60

So, if you hold a UK licence and are given points you could be better off obtaining an Irish licence, as the points would expire after a certain time. If you hang on to your UK licence and collect a sufficient number of penalty points over time could you end up being banned when you change to an Irish licence?

firestarter51

paul7g wrote: »

I thought they would have expired after 2 years if anything.

that's what i thought but a previous poster said he got points added 8 years later

CiniO

Mo60 wrote: »

So, if you hold a UK licence and are given points you could be better off obtaining an Irish licence, as the points would expire after a certain time. If you hang on to your UK licence and collect a sufficient number of penalty points over time could you end up being banned when you change to an Irish licence?

Exactly.
Points accumulated in Irish register for foreign licence holders are not active ( you won't get banned because of them and you don't need to inform insurer about them), but on the other side they never expire, so if you manage to accumulate 12 or more, and then will be forced to exchange your foreign licence for Irish one, you will be banned for 6 months straight away upon receiving your Irish licence.

paul7g

CiniO wrote: »

Exactly.
Points accumulated in Irish register for foreign licence holders are not active ( you won't get banned because of them and you don't need to inform insurer about them), but on the other side they never expire, so if you manage to accumulate 12 or more, and then will be forced to exchange your foreign licence for Irish one, you will be banned for 6 months straight away upon receiving your Irish licence.

If you get banned off the road for 12 points, how long are you off the road for in Ireland... 6 months, 1 year or 2 years?

I thought it was a year?

Fred Swanson

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rocky

Same here, got 2 points in 2007 that became active only in 2011 when I exchanged for Irish licence; in the meantime I declared the points for insurance between 2007 and 2010 when I thought they expired, but got another 2 in 2013 and I got a letter about 4 points, and the penny dropped... then the original 2007 points expired finally in 2014 so I'm back to 2 points...

Is 6 month banning as a result of 12 points an endorsement or something you have to declare to your insurance if they don't ask about that specifically?

Gwynston

CiniO wrote: »

Exactly.
Points accumulated in Irish register for foreign licence holders are not active ( you won't get banned because of them and you don't need to inform insurer about them), but on the other side they never expire, so if you manage to accumulate 12 or more, and then will be forced to exchange your foreign licence for Irish one, you will be banned for 6 months straight away upon receiving your Irish licence.

That's ridiculous...
How can they possibly justify having a setup like that?

Fred Swanson

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Jude13

I hold a foreign license (Not UK or EU). When at home my Dad insures me on his car using the details of the Non EU license. I also have an in date Irish license, somewhere.

So if I got pulled over for speeding and asked for my license I would had over my foreign one. I would not tell them I had an Irish license, unless asked, as I am insured with my foreign details.

Would the points somehow get on to my Irish license?

slinky2000

Jude13 wrote: »

I hold a foreign license (Not UK or EU). When at home my Dad insures me on his car using the details of the Non EU license. I also have an in date Irish license, somewhere.

So if I got pulled over for speeding and asked for my license I would had over my foreign one. I would not tell them I had an Irish license, unless asked, as I am insured with my foreign details.

Would the points somehow get on to my Irish license?

Did you do your test in Ireland again? Why did you not just transfer your licence to an Irish one?

Jude13

slinky2000 wrote: »

Did you do your test in Ireland again? Why did you not just transfer your licence to an Irish one?

I did my test in Ireland, then emigrated. I got a new license in my home (adopted) country. So when I am back I use my Omani license as I have no idea where my Irish one is.