Monday Night Raw 22-12-14

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https://twitter.com/WWE/status/547043928957263873

Ho Ho Ho, brother

Pentecost

If I'm having trouble sleeping I'll put that on.

Agent Coulson

Santa Foley busy somewhere else I'm guessing.

Rock Lesnar

Think Austin needs to show up and stunner that santa like he did another santa a few years back.

rovert

*Hick*

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/547169952143126529

and Wyatt vs Ambrose in a Street Fight

CastorTroy

rovert wrote: »

and Wyatt vs Ambrose in a Street Fight

Ah, was hoping they would fight in a No Holds Barred or No DQ match.

rovert

CastorTroy wrote: »

Ah, was hoping they would fight in a No Holds Barred or No DQ match.

They are running through every stipulation in WWE 2K15 so I am sure they will get round to it. The final match at the Rumble will probably be a singles match knowing WWE.

sunbabe08

i'm awake, might as well stay awake and watch.


jeez Cena is still going with the "ahhhh i don't mind the boos" line. pfft

brianregan09

Just piss off Cena, I'd love for Hogan even just to drop him at this stage

Eire-Dearg

Seth Rollins is money.

sunbabe08

oh just let Seth Rollins speak for the entire night.

Moneymaker

...

He puts over younger talent guys.

brianregan09

I really hate Cena going over guys like Rollins all the time

andyman

Being honest, one thing I hate more is how weak they make Rollins look

Strongbow10

Big show is a god awful heel. and face. :cool:

Machismo Fan

Jeez WWE are in a sad sorry state at the moment.

Stereomaniac

I am so happy to see Roddy Piper tonight. One of the highlights of my year was meeting him finally.

Agent Coulson

Stereomaniac wrote: »

I am so happy to see Roddy Piper tonight. One of the highlights of my year was meeting him finally.

I got put in the sleeper by him Made my year:D:D

Stereomaniac

Maybe you were the guy next to me in the queue. Did you see him at the show in Cyprus Avenue?

Agent Coulson

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Maybe you were the guy next to me in the queue. Did you see him at the show in Cyprus Avenue?

No I saw him in Dublin.

Rock Lesnar

Big match John, found a way to win again.

He always does JBL, he always does. *sigh*

rovert

Fell asleep just before it after a long day. Seems various news outlets were rather annoyed by the show:
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/547216338205171712
https://twitter.com/thewadekeller/status/547222401961189377
https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/547228243783614464
https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/547232319481061378

Lord TSC

"Man, that was a great ending to Raw last week"

"yeah....now how can we make it redundant as quickly as possible..."

CSF

Seriously, beyond a joke at this stage. The WWE has taken the 2 most talented guys they have on their roster and reduced them to nothing.

Please get Bray Wyatt off my TV (or at least away from decent superstars) as quickly as possible, because ive seen everything he has to offer on repeat every week since he started. Dean Ambrose has been absolutely ruined from those 3 months working with him, where he had been the most over face, opening and closing every raw before him.

Honestly, why have Rollins lose week after week to Cena, looking weak every time. I thought they'd be going with Cena v Rollins at mania, but clearly not now. Looks like Rollins v Ambrose after all, but its a bit of a nothing feud now with their respective booking.

Whoever is in charge of this booking needs to go immediately.

Moneymaker

Reigns is booked like God.

Rollins and Ambrose jobbed out week after week.

It's such slipshod, awful and unsubtle booking it's going to blow up in their faces so badly.

This company never learn from its mistakes. It's infuriating.

So much talent and so much of it wasted or booked into oblivion. I haven't even gotten to the likes of Cesaro, Paige, Emma, and many others.

At least Ziggler is on form. Just wait til Reigns tosses him out in 6 seconds in the Rumble.

CastorTroy

I understand why they keep having Cena win, from WWE point of view. They don't want him to look weak before facing Lesnar, as if that was possible. Doesn't make it any better though. Unless we get the payoff from Rollins pinning Cena right after he gets the title from Brock.

I find it funny that it wasn't long ago when Cena had to fight Ambrose for an opportunity to face Rollins.

brianregan09

Rollins vs Reigns is a WM Main Event i hadn't even thought of , Like could you imagine Lesnar beating Cena and then heyman screwing Lesnar ? Its not like it hasn't happened before

WinnyThePoo

Moneymaker wrote: »

Reigns is booked like God.

Rollins and Ambrose jobbed out week after week.

It's such slipshod, awful and unsubtle booking it's going to blow up in their faces so badly.

This company never learn from its mistakes. It's infuriating.

So much talent and so much of it wasted or booked into oblivion. I haven't even gotten to the likes of Cesaro, Paige, Emma, and many others.

At least Ziggler is on form. Just wait til Reigns tosses him out in 6 seconds in the Rumble.

Sure didn't he do that last year:mad:

beakerjoe

The booking in WWE and layout of the show is in a "1 step forward, 5 steps back" situation. For every positive thing that happens, there is about 5 negatives things to boot.

The format of Raw is hard to watch. Ad breaks every 5-10 mins makes it hard to find a rhythm viewing the show.

The commentary team is awful, there is no realism in anything they say. Everything they say is scripted and feels very un natural thus making it hard to listen to. I cant warm to any of the team. Michael is irritating, Lawler is waaay out dated and JBL phones it in every week.

The promos of each wrestler is waay to scripted. I think the word for word dialogue that is written for each guy makes it all feel very fake and un natural just like the commentating. Why they changed from giving a guy a general direction to go in as opposed to a word for word script to memorise is setting back most guys mic work. No one seems to speak from the heart or back up there character with some of there own personality bar a few.

The booking is very counter productive. You can tell there is not much long term planning in anything they do, rather everything is bundled together within a week or less. No character apart from a set few have any long term vision.

3 weeks ago Fandango was repackaged a bit, re vamped even. within 2 weeks he was squashed by Reigns. Last night I couldnt care less about him winning because he looked so weak.

Doplh Ziggler is starting to find his way, but I couldnt care less. This should of happened after he beat Cena at TLC years ago, His ball has been dropped so many times I couldnt care about him any more.

The handling of Cesaro is appalling, he clearly has talent but no one knows what to do with him.

Bray Wyatts character hasnt evolved at all and is stale, yet they go to the same well with each of his feuds since Kane.

Same goes for Rusev.

Ive no idea what they are going to do with Rowan and Harper and Im guessing nether do they.

Big Show Mark Henrry, Kane, all should retire. All taking up space and no one cares about the 3 of them now. Yet they are used ahead of new talent all the time.

The use of Hogan, piper , Flair and other legends is so stale and lazy it tarnishes their legacy. It should be a big deal, but they use them so poorly I couldnt care less about most returning legends.

Ive more problems with the current product and I think each problem is easily solved.

Lord TSC

beakerjoe wrote: »

The format of Raw is hard to watch. Ad breaks every 5-10 mins makes it hard to find a rhythm viewing the show.

In fairness, that's not a WWE thing, it's an American thing; drives me nuts when I'm over there, but everything has twice as many breaks unless it's on specific channels. The majority of shows take breaks every 5 minutes instead of every 10 like over here. As **** as a format it is, I try not to criticize WWE for whats pretty much the standard expected of most shows over there.

Everything else is dead on though.

Personally, what frustrates me most was that once again we're shown results don't mean much, and everyone has to be kept even stevens. Rollins beat Cena last week. Not clean. Not even by pinfall. Cena was massively protected, despite not really needing to be. It took five men to keep him down long enough for Rollins to simply walk away. So for them to decide to book Cena to get the pin over Rollins last night does nothing for Cena but does damage Rollins. Rollins really should have taken as clean a break from Cena as nessecary, and they had the perfect out, but nope....Cena needs the win back!

Meanwhile, we get what is presented as basically a rubber match between Bray and Ambrose. And Bray gets the win. Grand, leave it there, kill the feud and move on.....NOPE! Give Ambrose the beatdown on Bray, so neither really gain anything from the result, the feud drags on (despite 3 big gimmick matches in a week) and no one needs to think of anything new.

Stereomaniac

Agent Coulson wrote: »

No I saw him in Dublin.

Well he was certainly the highlight of last night, along with Luke Harper vs. Dolph.

Angron

"The fans love Ambrose, so what'll we do with him?"

"Let's have him lose pretty much every match he's in on tv, especially Pay Per Views where he'll lose in some sort of screwy manner!"

"Genius."

briany

I tried to watch a bit of Raw the other night and the ad breaks made it virtually unwatchable. Every 10 minutes with a 3 minute break. It used to be at least the ad breaks were kept short to facilitate the live broadcasts, now they're back to taped show length. Yeah, there's ways around it with DVR etc. but that's for the more hardcore fan. If you wanna keep the casual viewer tuned in, going to the ad-break in the middle of the match probably isn't the way to go about it. The WWE won't lose any sleep over losing me as a live viewer but I'm sure there's many others who feel the same.

CSF

briany wrote: »

I tried to watch a bit of Raw the other night and the ad breaks made it virtually unwatchable. Every 10 minutes with a 3 minute break. It used to be at least the ad breaks were kept short to facilitate the live broadcasts, now they're back to taped show length. Yeah, there's ways around it with DVR etc. but that's for the more hardcore fan. If you wanna keep the casual viewer tuned in, going to the ad-break in the middle of the match probably isn't the way to go about it. The WWE won't lose any sleep over losing me as a live viewer but I'm sure there's many others who feel the same.

Always best to not watch it live Imo. Tuesday morning job for me

CSF

On another note, they should stop having Luke Harper do promos. Great wrestler, not a talker, doesn't need to be one for his role in the company.

Especially since his body language and acting are really good.

Machismo Fan

CSF wrote: »

On another note, they should stop having Luke Harper do promos. Great wrestler, not a talker, doesn't need to be one for his role in the company.

Especially since his body language and acting are really good.

In WWE you have to do promos. The system exists and the wrestlers are shoehorned into it. There's no such thing as a fluid, adaptive system there that plays to each wrestlers strengths. Thus why Roman Reigns is also struggling.

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

In WWE you have to do promos. The system exists and the wrestlers are shoehorned into it. There's no such thing as a fluid, adaptive system there that plays to each wrestlers strengths. Thus why Roman Reigns is also struggling.

Renee: "Please welcome my guest at this time, Machismo Fan"

*Machismo Fan nods*

Machismo Fan: "What are your thoughts on facing Dolph Ziggler tonight?"

A shocked and offended Machismo Fan: "My thoughts on facing Dolph Ziggler tonight?

Huh?

Well Renee....."

Don't see the problem myself. :P

CSF

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In WWE you have to do promos. The system exists and the wrestlers are shoehorned into it. There's no such thing as a fluid, adaptive system there that plays to each wrestlers strengths. Thus why Roman Reigns is also struggling.

Yeah agreed, but Reigns probably does need to do promos etc if he's gonna be in the main story, raw openings etc, Harper on the other hand will likely never be in the WWE title picture and could easily excel in a role of letting his actions do the talking in regular matches against the large quantity of other great wrestlers WWE has at the moment.

The White Feather

I agree with everyones points but do bear in mind that it is christmas. Things go on hold over christmas and there never is much story progression.

I still maintain things are close to being very good but they keep missing easy stuff so it ends up being boring.

The opening segment always lasts too long. On the plus side Rollins is getting very good on the mic but as said here and by me before, Cena saying "I don't mind what ye chant" is not good enough. He doesn't even try to win you over or anything.

I laughed out loud at the vest on Reigns so I'm glad others felt the same!

My wife looked up during the Divas match and said "I thought the bellas were fighting and hate each other" A feud just forgotten about or no lingering feelings so what was the point?

The promos are all far too scripted. No true back and forth. you say ur piece.i say mine and guy they like more has to get last word.Notice how Hot Rod had to repeat "yeah its ok" during the promo with Lana as it was interrupted by the crowd cheering. It was like here is the setup line.

Ambrose and Rollins both losing make them look very weak.

Big Show and Kane dont do anything of interest any more.The Usual 6 Diva match thrown in.....this time with Christmas theme......yawn........

On the plus side I liked Tyson and Natayla.Rusev and Lana are good too.Ziggler actually won though I am not a fan of him at all.Maybe I stopped caring ages ago due to all the losses, I'm not sure.Miz and Mizdow are very good.Ambrose and Wyatt had a great match but we have seen it too much recently. Wyatt needs to be either heel or face.

The main problem with RAW is nothing happens. There is nothing that you would rush online to discuss. Vince Russo booked on the idea that he wanted you to look. He wasnt great all the time but at least something happened.

They should at least be making money and coverage out of CM Punk.After they got knocked out at TLC, dress up a guy like either of J+J security or even both with fight shorts. Ads on it for the WWE Network. Have him wanting to fight Brock. Calling him out every week and vignettes of him training.Saying I have no experience but I always wanted to fight him. The comedy writes itself! Even when CM Punk comes back (Which I think he will eventually) he can beat the guy up for revenge. Its a recycled Gillberg but it would get attention.

Omackeral

beakerjoe wrote: »

The booking in WWE and layout of the show is in a "1 step forward, 5 steps back" situation. For every positive thing that happens, there is about 5 negatives things to boot.

The format of Raw is hard to watch. Ad breaks every 5-10 mins makes it hard to find a rhythm viewing the show.

The commentary team is awful, there is no realism in anything they say. Everything they say is scripted and feels very un natural thus making it hard to listen to. I cant warm to any of the team. Michael is irritating, Lawler is waaay out dated and JBL phones it in every week.

The promos of each wrestler is waay to scripted. I think the word for word dialogue that is written for each guy makes it all feel very fake and un natural just like the commentating. Why they changed from giving a guy a general direction to go in as opposed to a word for word script to memorise is setting back most guys mic work. No one seems to speak from the heart or back up there character with some of there own personality bar a few.

The booking is very counter productive. You can tell there is not much long term planning in anything they do, rather everything is bundled together within a week or less. No character apart from a set few have any long term vision.

3 weeks ago Fandango was repackaged a bit, re vamped even. within 2 weeks he was squashed by Reigns. Last night I couldnt care less about him winning because he looked so weak.

Doplh Ziggler is starting to find his way, but I couldnt care less. This should of happened after he beat Cena at TLC years ago, His ball has been dropped so many times I couldnt care about him any more.

The handling of Cesaro is appalling, he clearly has talent but no one knows what to do with him.

Bray Wyatts character hasnt evolved at all and is stale, yet they go to the same well with each of his feuds since Kane.

Same goes for Rusev.

Ive no idea what they are going to do with Rowan and Harper and Im guessing nether do they.

Big Show Mark Henrry, Kane, all should retire. All taking up space and no one cares about the 3 of them now. Yet they are used ahead of new talent all the time.

The use of Hogan, piper , Flair and other legends is so stale and lazy it tarnishes their legacy. It should be a big deal, but they use them so poorly I couldnt care less about most returning legends.

Ive more problems with the current product and I think each problem is easily solved.

A Smashing post. Probably the best I've read all year. No malice or hatred or whining, just brutal honesty and it's so frustrating because you look at NXT and see that they can do it well if they want to.

Cheese Wagstaff

My favourite aspect of WWE these days since getting back into it is Rollins. If he keeps losing, then they'll have to find a new top heel as his stock will keep shrinking. The whole idea of ebb and flow seems to have gone completely out the window.

They were keeping him strong against Ambrose, but now that that feud is seemingly done, they don't seem inclined to let him move onto anybody else with any credibility and establish himself more. He has so much potential and is improving all the time, but they appear to be letting him stagnate now. Any ideas of him becoming a long-term champion could be sinking fast enough, which is a real shame.

CastorTroy

2 parts of the divas match I actually liked:
Getting to see Emma
laughing at Cameron slipping after getting in the ring

JP Liz V1

I thought Ambrose would be back feuding with Rollins by now