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Albert Speer

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  • 21-12-2014 1:29pm
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    Sugar Thief
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    Should he have been hanged, I contend that yes, he should have, he directly contributed to the murder of millions of innocent civilians.


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    The Moldy Gowl
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    Wut? Who?


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    Skylinehead
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    He certainly knew more than he let on, but probably not the whole story. Although the forced labour was another thing.


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    qt3.14
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    Being minister for war production is hardly direct responsibility anymore than the overseer in a panzer factory is responsible for the deaths caused by what he produces.


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    kneemos
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    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    Wut? Who?

    Invented the spear.


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    Tipsy McSwagger
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    Isn't there a bench there dedicated to Arthur Fowler?


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    testicle
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    He was an architect. How did he directly contribute to murder??


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    DarkyHughes
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    qt3.14 wrote: »
    Being minister for war production is hardly direct responsibility anymore than the overseer in a panzer factory is responsible for the deaths caused by what he produces.

    Or the the Nazi's who ordered the deaths.


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    Omackeral
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    Read that as Albert Square expecting an Eastenders article. Then got no article at all.


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    Banjo String
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Isn't there a bench there dedicated to Arthur Fowler?

    To Arthur !!!


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    [Deleted User]
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    If you're valuable enough to your enemies you'll probably escape persecution.

    Wernher von Braun went from inventing rockets to flatten london to being the brains behind the NASA appolo missions.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    testicle wrote: »
    He was an architect. How did he directly contribute to murder??

    He was Minister for War Production in Nazi Germany towards the end of the war.

    He was a very gifted man and under his leadership German production levels rose dramatically - right up until the end of the war German efficiency increased in tank and weapon production. Had he been minister for production far sooner, it would have made a difference.

    However, Germany used slave labour extensively and in dreadful conditions.

    He also devised a plot to kill Hitler in 1945.


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    Phoebas
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    testicle wrote: »
    He was an architect. How did he directly contribute to murder??

    He was minister in charge of war production and he used forced labour. Many of his forced labourers were worked to death.


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    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Te good Nazi


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    shamrock55
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    Came across as a nice lad i always thought, nice mannerly young man.


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    flunkyfearsome
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    The Americans and the Russians got the brightest and intelligent of the Nazi to work for them post WW2, they certainly did not give a fig what they did during WW2,The English also to a certain aspect as well.


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    Gmol
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    Wasn't he one of the Speers from ballybunion?


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    corner of hells
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    flunkyfearsome wrote: »
    The Americans and the Russians got the brightest and intelligent of the Nazi to work for them post WW2, they certainly did not give a fig what they did during WW2,The English also to a certain aspect as well.

    Albert mustnt have been that smart , so.He spent twenty years in Spandau.


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    flunkyfearsome
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Albert mustnt have been that smart , so.He spent twenty years in Spandau.

    Ballet ?


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    Gmol
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Albert mustnt have been that smart , so.He spent twenty years in Spandau.

    Where he met the Kemp brothers and the rest is history


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    flunkyfearsome
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    Gmol wrote: »
    Where he met the Kemp brothers and the rest is history

    Through the barricade's :)


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    JaseBelleVie
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    Operation: Paperclip used rocket scientists and stuff more than it did architects. Werner von Braun and so on. The space race would not have even existed were it not for the Nazi scientists who worked for both the Americans and the Soviets after the War. You can be damn sure, if Heinrich Himmler had been a rocket scientist as well as the head of the SS, he would have been pardoned and worked for NASA or the Soviet space programme.


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    kingchess
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    cisk wrote: »
    If you're valuable enough to your enemies you'll probably escape persecution.

    Wernher von Braun went from inventing rockets to flatten london to being the brains behind the NASA appolo missions.

    True,He aimed for the stars, but sometimes he hit London:D


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    corner of hells
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    Gmol wrote: »
    Where he met the Kemp brothers and the rest is history
    flunkyfearsome wrote: »
    Ballet ?
    flunkyfearsome wrote: »
    Through the barricade's :)

    GOLD.


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    Wibbs
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    cisk wrote: »
    If you're valuable enough to your enemies you'll probably escape persecution.

    Wernher von Braun went from inventing rockets to flatten london to being the brains behind the NASA appolo missions.
    Yep and he oversaw slave labour in the camps that made his V2 rockets. Full member of the Nazi party too(he later claimed he had to be to continue his work, but his superior in the programme didn't join). To this day some US documents about him remain secret. A useful Nazi was a "good" nazi it seemed.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    Jawgap
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    He dreamt of building a Germany that would rule Europe that would dictate matters to all countries in Europe, even 'neutral' Ireland. If he'd had his way we might not all be speaking German, but we'd all be answering to Berlin - although we'd still have a token government here with the powers of a county council.......


    ........thank God they lost the War and that never happened ;)


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    flunkyfearsome
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep and he oversaw slave labour in the camps that made his V2 rockets. Full member of the Nazi party too(he later claimed he had to be to continue his work, but his superior in the programme didn't join). To this day some US documents about him remain secret. A useful Nazi was a "good" nazi it seemed.
    Yep I looked at something on history channel about NASA and Soviet spacerace and it confirmed the use of certain Nazi personnel in the spacerace.


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    lazybones32
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    Sugar Thief wrote: »
    Should he have been hanged, I contend that yes, he should have, he directly contributed to the murder of millions of innocent civilians.

    Should Hitler's Parents have been hanged too...seeing as they directly contributed to death. Hang the scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project too...car manufacturers, rope makers...


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    Jawgap wrote: »
    He dreamt of building a Germany that would rule Europe that would dictate matters to all countries in Europe, even 'neutral' Ireland. If he'd had his way we might not all be speaking German, but we'd all be answering to Berlin - although we'd still have a token government here with the powers of a county council.......


    ........thank God they lost the War and that never happened     ;)
    :pac:


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    Sheldons Brain
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    JaseHeath wrote: »
    , if Heinrich Himmler had been a rocket scientist as well as the head of the SS, he would have been pardoned and worked for NASA or the Soviet space programme.

    If Heinrich Himmler had been a rocket scientist, the Germans would have won the war and the Russians would have been working for the German space programme.


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    Jawgap
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Should Hitler's Parents have been hanged too...seeing as they directly contributed to death. Hang the scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project too...car manufacturers, rope makers...

    Hitler's Dad died in 1903 and his mother in 1907.

    However, his brother moved here and married a Dowling - maybe we should hunt them down.

    Speer deserved harsher punishment for his use of conscripted slave labour, and the use of underground factories and starvation rations. His guilt went beyond mere association.


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