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Go_Safe Van on Garda Ramp

  • 10-12-2014 7:46pm
    #1
    v240gltse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭


    hi

    just a quick query I was travelling up the N7 last night and noticed a Go-Safe Van parked up on a Garda Ramp.

    I was under the impression that those ramps were only for use by the Garda or Military Police only :confused::confused:.

    Am I wrong ?

    regards


Comments

  • #2
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    are you sureit wasn't a Garda camera van?


  • #3
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    corktina wrote: »
    are you sureit wasn't a Garda camera van?

    This.

    Check here: http://www.garda.ie/gosafe.htm

    There is only a fairly limited section of the N7 in the GoSafe remit.


  • #4
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    The N7 only exists from Naas to the Red Cow anyway doesn't it?


  • #5
    v240gltse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭v240gltse


    hi

    no it was definetly a Go-Safe van and it was inside the Go-safe area on the N7. Just thought it odd sitting up on the Garda ramp .

    regards


  • #6
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    If it has a sign saying Garda Only then you may have a case. That said, GoSafe operate under the direction of the Gardai so it may not be cut and dry. I'd imagine someone operating under the direction of the Gardai, with suitable oversight, has similar powers in defined situations.


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  • #7
    delahuntv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    Thee is no issue whatsoever.

    GoSafe are operators of "Garda mobile safety cameras" and therefore they are in effect garda vehicles.


  • #8
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    A Garda vehicle has no special powers under law(other than livery), only the Gardai operating it.


  • #9
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    delahuntv wrote: »
    Thee is no issue whatsoever.

    GoSafe are operators of "Garda mobile safety cameras" and therefore they are in effect garda vehicles.

    Whilst they operate under the direction of the Gardai, the equipment is owned by the IOM Consortium and is most certainly not a Garda Vehicle


  • #10
    delahuntv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Whilst they operate under the direction of the Gardai, the equipment is owned by the IOM Consortium and is most certainly not a Garda Vehicle

    Can you explain how it is nit a "garda" vehicle.

    being a "garda vehicle" does not have to mean it is owned and operated by a garda.

    Basically the raised areas can not be used to have a picnic. It is for garda or lets put it simpler "garda approved" vehicles.


  • #11
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,391 ✭✭✭markpb


    Why is this relevant? It doesn't really matter what the sign says if the van equipment believes you're speeding. If the Gardai are unhappy at the vans location (and I'd like to see anyone come up with a plausible reason why they would be), they have legal ways to deal with it.


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  • #12
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    delahuntv wrote: »
    Can you explain how it is nit a "garda" vehicle.

    being a "garda vehicle" does not have to mean it is owned and operated by a garda.

    Basically the raised areas can not be used to have a picnic. It is for garda or lets put it simpler "garda approved" vehicles.
    What legislation are you basing this off?

    It sounds suspiciously like an opinion based on nothing but supposition and stated as 'fact'.

    GoSafe vans are private. GoSafe vans are not operated by Gardai. 'Garda approved' is not a thing.


  • #13
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,522 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Where else could a GoSafe van be stopped on a motorway?


  • #14
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Where else could a GoSafe van be stopped on a motorway?

    IMO, they shouldn't be anywhere near a motorway.

    When joe public spots one on a motorway, he hits the brakes, no matter the speed he's actually doing.

    The only people who should be involved in enforcing speed on motorways are Gardai, who will actually think about where they set up based on road and traffic conditions, as opposed to pat in the GoSafe van who doesn't really care once he hits his quota.


  • #15
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Where else could a GoSafe van be stopped on a motorway?

    The N7 isn't a motorway


  • #16
    delahuntv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭delahuntv


    Tragedy wrote: »
    What legislation are you basing this off?

    It sounds suspiciously like an opinion based on nothing but supposition and stated as 'fact'.

    GoSafe vans are private. GoSafe vans are not operated by Gardai. 'Garda approved' is not a thing.

    I'm basing it on something called common sense.

    Can you show me the legislation that says only Garda vehicles owned and operated by an garda siochana are the only vehicles that can use those ramps.

    No you can't cos it does not exist.

    Its a raised area that is not for use by the public as a stopping area. - there is no legislation hat only a garda car can use it. There would be zero chance of challenging a gosafe van using the raised area for speed detection.

    That's called common sense too.


  • #17
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    testicle wrote: »
    The N7 isn't a motorway

    The bit after Naas is though and I spotted one there on the inbound stretch between exit 10 and 9 (when it becomes the N7) about an hour ago. Not the first time I've seen one there either - "safety" indeed! :rolleyes:


  • #18
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    delahuntv wrote: »
    I'm basing it on something called common sense.

    Can you show me the legislation that says only Garda vehicles owned and operated by an garda siochana are the only vehicles that can use those ramps.

    No you can't cos it does not exist.

    Its a raised area that is not for use by the public as a stopping area. - there is no legislation hat only a garda car can use it. There would be zero chance of challenging a gosafe van using the raised area for speed detection.

    That's called common sense too.
    What does does common sense have to do with legislation?

    S.I. No. 182/1997 33. specifies when and only when a vehicle can park on a motorway.

    Even were the ramps not considered part of the motorway, Roads Act 1993 55. states who and what can use for access (not park) land along alongside a motorway.

    I do look forward to your apology.


  • #19
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    Tragedy wrote: »
    What does does common sense have to do with legislation?

    S.I. No. 182/1997 33. specifies when and only when a vehicle can park on a motorway.

    Even were the ramps not considered part of the motorway, Roads Act 1993 55. states who and what can use for access (not park) land along alongside a motorway.

    I do look forward to your apology.

    The ramps would be considered part of the motorway. ...

    Anyway. ...
    THERE ARE NO GOSAFE LOCATIONS ON A MOTORWAY




    Dual carriageway, High Quality dual carriageway. Are not motorways.


  • #20
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    pa990 wrote: »
    THERE ARE NO GOSAFE LOCATIONS ON A MOTORWAY

    I thought this, then I realised there is a very small section of the M7 that is within the GoSafe remit. I believe its the only section. Open to correction.


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