Original song rip offs?

Means Of Escape

Two come to mind

Garth Brooks - if tomorrow never comes
Ray lynam- he stopped loving her today

Paddy Casey- Saints and sinners
Red Box- Lean on me

ScumLord

I don't see it as a rip off. No one invented music and if it's a language then people should be able to use any sequence of words or notes they like.

People have been sampling eachothers music and recombining it for millennia, the only reason it's an issue today is because we put a price on music, it's a product now and some want to copyright a sequence of notes in a first come first served way.

We don't do it for books because it's a ridiculous concept.

Tail Docker

Eminem and that ZZ top song...the lad died to me when I heard the original. Even if ZZ agreed..especially if ZZ agreed.

Means Of Escape

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see it as a rip off. No one invented music and if it's a language then people should be able to use any sequence of words or notes they like.

People have been sampling eachothers music and recombining it for millennia, the only reason it's an issue today is because we put a price on music, it's a product now and some want to copyright a sequence of notes in a first come first served way.

We don't do it for books because it's a ridiculous concept.

Tell that to Ray Parker Jnr who lost his shirt with his theme song Ghostbusters having being sued by Huey Lewis who's song I want a new drug was sampled by Parker .

Mesrine65

Led Zeppelin - Whole Lotta Love / Willie Dixon - You Need Love

Led Zeppelin were prolific plagirists, often settling out of court when sued.

karaokeman

Ever heard you can't write what hasn't already been written?

Tokyo

The Strokes - Last Nite

Opening riff is a rip-off of Tom Petty's "American Girl"

Mint Sauce

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Two come to mind

Garth Brooks - if tomorrow never comes
Ray lynam- he stopped loving her today

Paddy Casey- Saints and sinners
Red Box- Lean on me

At a glance, some of the songs you mention, are orriginals, some are covers. so which of the ones do you have issue or dislike before.

Personally, there have been some awesome covers, introducing the listener to the orriginal, some have been absolute dire.

Arsemageddon

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Two come to mind

Garth Brooks - if tomorrow never comes
Ray lynam- he stopped loving her today

Paddy Casey- Saints and sinners
Red Box- Lean on me

The problem here would appear to be that the stuff your listening to is utter scutter.

Ray Lynam FFS! In this day and age.

Means Of Escape

Arsemageddon wrote: »

The problem here would appear to be that the stuff your listening to is utter scutter.

Ray Lynam FFS! In this day and age.

Lynam Irish country legend ask Big Tom
As for Brooks ....


Maybe they collaborated?

Means Of Escape

karaokeman wrote: »

Ever heard you can't write what hasn't already been written?

No as it's called originality.
Guess you can't paint what hasn't already been painted .

Beano

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Two come to mind

Garth Brooks - if tomorrow never comes
Ray lynam- he stopped loving her today

which song do you think ripped off which song?

Means Of Escape

Beano wrote: »

which song do you think ripped off which song?

Lynam covered the jones original but Brooks ripped off the song

Verve sampled the Rolling Stones non legit
Mc hammer legit sampled Rick James

Means Of Escape

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see it as a rip off. No one invented music and if it's a language then people should be able to use any sequence of words or notes they like.

People have been sampling eachothers music and recombining it for millennia, the only reason it's an issue today is because we put a price on music, it's a product now and some want to copyright a sequence of notes in a first come first served way.

We don't do it for books because it's a ridiculous concept.

Don't do it for books?!?
Ask Alex Hayley
It's called plagerism for the uneducated.

Means Of Escape

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see it as a rip off. No one invented music and if it's a language then people should be able to use any sequence of words or notes they like.

People have been sampling eachothers music and recombining it for millennia, the only reason it's an issue today is because we put a price on music, it's a product now and some want to copyright a sequence of notes in a first come first served way.

We don't do it for books because it's a ridiculous concept.[/

Artistic talent has a value and rightly so that someone who rips off another should not allow that person to benefit

Saralee4

Under pressure and Ice ice baby

Sir Osis of Liver.

Magico Gonzalez

Saralee4 wrote: »

Under pressure and Ice ice baby

It's called sampling, almost every rap song and a lot of house music you have ever heard will have a hook or riff sampled from somewhere else. They normally (i.e. if they are big enough to cause a ripple) pay the original artist for the privilege...which I am sure Mr I.I Baby did in this case.

I hope this isn't news.

Too Tough To Die

George Harrison.

Too Tough To Die

Helpless by Neil Young and Knockin' on Heavens Door sound quite similar also.

Dylan himself has been accused of plagiarism many times.

Saralee4

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

It's called sampling, almost every rap song and a lot of house music you have ever heard will have a hook or riff sampled from somewhere else. They normally (i.e. if they are big enough to cause a ripple) pay the original artist for the privilege...which I am sure Mr I.I Baby did in this case.

I hope this isn't news.

I thought it was well known that they he stole the sample.

"Case

Vanilla Ice had a hit, in 1991, with Ice Ice Baby — it sampled but did not credit the song Under Pressure by David Bowie and Queen. Though at first denying it, Vanilla Ice later retracted the statement saying it was “a joke”. Facing a lawsuit by the duo, Vanilla Ice fessed to sampling the work.
Outcome

The case was settled privately out of court with Ice paying an undeclared sum of money and crediting Bowie/Queen on the track.
Significance

There’s really not a ton of meaning directly related to design with this one (except for, don’t use other people’s creative work!). But I couldn’t resist adding it. This is one of the most hilarious copyright cases ever."

MelanieC

Almost every One Direction song sounds like something else. I know this as 1D are played A LOT in my house!! ;-)

Story Of My Life sounds like Everybody In Love by JLS.
Midnight Memories sounds like Pour Some Sugar On Me by Def Leppard.
Steal My Girl sounds like Is She Really Going Out With Him? by Joe Jackson.
Night Changes sounds like Only You by Yazoo.

Means Of Escape

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

It's called sampling, almost every rap song and a lot of house music you have ever heard will have a hook or riff sampled from somewhere else. They normally (i.e. if they are big enough to cause a ripple) pay the original artist for the privilege...which I am sure Mr I.I Baby did in this case.

I hope this isn't news.

Correct
Other samples
Will Smith Men in Black and George Michael Fast Love ---Patrice Rushen Forget me nots
Sugar hill gang Rappers Delight-Chic Good Times
SWV Right Here - Jackson Human Nature etc

Saralee4

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Correct
Other samples
Will Smith Men in Black and George Michael Fast Love ---Patrice Rushen Forget me nots
Sugar hill gang Rappers Delight-Chic Good Times
SWV Right Here - Jackson Human Nature etc

I wouldn't say that Magico Gonzalez is 'correct' in my example because in the case with Ice Ice Baby and Under pressure, he did not copyright the sample therefore he tried to rip off the song!

Duckworth_Luas

:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiTFp3vUxkg

Means Of Escape

Saralee4 wrote: »

I wouldn't say that Magico Gonzalez is 'correct' in my example because in the case with Ice Ice Baby and Under pressure, he did not copyright the sample therefore he tried to rip off the song!

I'm relating to the legitimate sampling of other artist music and the rap thread in his post

We had the Verve doing the same lark with the Rolling Stones as Vanilla did with Mercury/Bowie.

Capt'n Midnight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2276621.stm

Musician Mike Batt had paid a six-figure sum to settle a bizarre dispute over who owns copyright to a silent musical work.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/07/men-at-work-lose-appeal

The Australian band Men at Work have lost their final court bid to prove they did not steal the distinctive flute riff of their 1980s hit Down Under from a children's campfire song.

The high court of Australia denied the band's bid to appeal a federal court judge's earlier ruling that the group had copied the signature flute melody of Down Under from the song Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree.

you can hear the similarity here or rather the lack of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Uq6AB_4hM&feature=youtu.be



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Sweet_Symphony

Originally, The Verve had negotiated a licence to use a five-note sample from the Oldham recording, but former Stones manager Allen Klein (who owned the copyrights to the band’s pre-1970 songs) claimed that The Verve broke the agreement and used a larger portion.[8][9] Despite its original lyrics and string intro (by Wil Malone & Ashcroft), the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was sampled from the Oldham track, which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Klein's holding company, and eventually settled out of court. The Verve relinquished all of their royalties to Klein, owner of ABKCO Records, whilst songwriting credits were changed to Jagger/Richards/Ashcroft.[10]

The Verve bassist Simon Jones said, "We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing. They rung up and said we want 100 percent or take it out of the shops, you don't have much choice.

bodhrandude

Madonna - Hung Up (nicked the melody of Abba's Voulez Vous).

Steve Miller Band - Keep on Rockin me Baby (Nicked Free's melody for All right Now).

Kylie Minogue's 2 Hearts ripping off the style of Goldfrapp's Ooh La La

Custardpi

This is a subtle one but listen to the opening of this 1979 Pretenders track, then the opening of the Stone Roses "I Am The Resurrection" from 1989. The Stone Roses drum intro is basically a slowed down version of the Pretenders. I'm sure if you searched through live performances you'd probably find one where they played it a bit quicker, thus sounding even more similar.

humberklog

bodhrandude wrote: »

Madonna - Hung Up (nicked the melody of Abba's Voulez

I don't think that was the case. After a long time asking Abba could they (Madonna's people) use the piece Abba eventually relented. All parties were happy. Afik.

YFlyer

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

George Harrison.

Boy George

buyer95

Green Day Boulevard of Broken Dreams ripping off Oasis' Wonderwall is pretty blatant

KungPao

The Script's latest bore is quite the little copy of Duran Duran's Ordinary World.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Start of this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TffpkE2GU4

sounds a lot like the start of this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52a_w3iQAPE

And then this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTXDCh2YiA

sounds a lot like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1LYTWtVQ0

But then they were both written by the same guy, so not really a rip off, more of a one trick pony.

He also sold Beyonce and Kelly Clarkson basically the same song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T3WAbU6tg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyR7yoDBQSg

SeantheMan

ACDC - They keep ripping off all their own songs though
(I still love them though)

Jet Black

My Sharona is all I can hear in this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqvOMrYXd7A

I always thought if you took close to me by the Cure, sped it up and made it more upbeat you'd have this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3RjCiq1ICY

Ed Winchester

Oasis' Cigarettes & Alcohol is a very blatant rip off of Bang a Gong by T-Rex.

ceegee

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

It's called sampling, almost every rap song and a lot of house music you have ever heard will have a hook or riff sampled from somewhere else. They normally (i.e. if they are big enough to cause a ripple) pay the original artist for the privilege...which I am sure Mr I.I Baby did in this case.

I hope this isn't news.

He actually denied it was a sample at first but ended up paying out.

buyer95

Don't know if this has already been posted and can't be bothered checking.

Nirvana Come As You Are is a slowed down version of Killing Joke's Eighties.