should everybodys compeition scores be available to all who want look.

Kingswood Rover

I always wonder why the vast majority of clubs have pasword protection on their members competition scores, a few clubs have open access where you can see all the info on all the competitions, i think this transparency should be across the board, discuss.

Nozebleed

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

I always wonder why the vast majority of clubs have pasword protection on their members competition scores, a few clubs have open access where you can see all the info on all the competitions, i think this transparency should be across the board, discuss.

I think so. In my club they dont even disclose all players results for home competitions. You must request the information from the committee.

GreeBo

Ours were always published in the locker room, you can now only get your own online (in great detail) but all still paper published.

Idon't see the reason for it, would also prefer if it was all on howdidido.

SaveOurLyric

You can browse lots of clubs results, fully, and going back yonks, on howdidido.

dan_ep82

I've always wondered why you can't search someone's handicap. Never had a reason to except curiosity but then again I have people look at me like I was being rude by asking

spacecoyote

dan_ep82 wrote: »

I've always wondered why you can't search someone's handicap. Never had a reason to except curiosity but then again I have people look at me like I was being rude by asking

If your club is on howdidido you can pull up a full list of all members & their handicaps

shabalala

All scores should be visible for all to see, what is there to hide?

Winning cards should be displayed on the notice board of the club as well.

This will discourage blatant cheating, which is in full flow these days.


There is way too much wriggle room for the type of person that submits false scores to get away with it so anything that makes life difficult for cheats is all good imho.

denishurley

In Bandon, there was a new system installed lately whereby all scores (and NRs) were visible but the comp sec has changed it so that only the top 15 results are shown now.

Russman

shabalala wrote: »

All scores should be visible for all to see, what is there to hide?

Winning cards should be displayed on the notice board of the club as well.

This will discourage blatant cheating, which is in full flow these days.


There is way too much wriggle room for the type of person that submits false scores to get away with it so anything that makes life difficult for cheats is all good imho.

I've no issue with scores being displayed, after all, what's the harm in it ? Once you return your card you're putting your score in the public domain effectively.

But, at the same time, what's the point in displaying them all ?
Its enough for volunteer competition secs & helpers to do the results each competition day without asking them to post actual winning cards on the notice board to satisfy someone's feeling that cheating is going on. The scores can be seen on howdidido anyway, and the only 3 people who could contradict a score will be the playing partners of the winner.

Posting cards would only lead to all sorts of comments / accusations / innuendo etc.

shabalala

Russman wrote: »

I've no issue with scores being displayed, after all, what's the harm in it ? Once you return your card you're putting your score in the public domain effectively.

But, at the same time, what's the point in displaying them all ?
Its enough for volunteer competition secs & helpers to do the results each competition day without asking them to post actual winning cards on the notice board to satisfy someone's feeling that cheating is going on. The scores can be seen on howdidido anyway, and the only 3 people who could contradict a score will be the playing partners of the winner.

Posting cards would only lead to all sorts of comments / accusations / innuendo etc.

Many members of my club are elderly and are not very good with using online access to scores etc, it used to always happen but hasnt for a few years, like i said if everything is in order there should be no problem putting the winning cards on the notice board.

only last week i was told of a case of a player that had some amazing low scores in September in the Wednesday open in his club.
Always played with visitors, cards marked in same pen for everything.

Visitors cant access masterscoreboard, and results are emailed to members only.

Go figure.

Russman

shabalala wrote: »

Many members of my club are elderly and are not very good with using online access to scores etc, it used to always happen but hasnt for a few years, like i said if everything is in order there should be no problem putting the winning cards on the notice board.

only last week i was told of a case of a player that had some amazing low scores in September in the Wednesday open in his club.
Always played with visitors, cards marked in same pen for everything.

Visitors cant access masterscoreboard, and results are emailed to members only.

Go figure.

Fair enough, but just because someone has a run of good scores and plays with visitors, you can't accuse him of cheating. What good is putting is card on the notice board going to do ? The visitors are hardly likely to be roaming the halls, and who else can attest to the number of shots he had ?

Totally agree with elderly members and online access, but surely the competition results are at least posted in hard copy somewhere ? What's the point in posting the 20 or 30 or 80 scores that didn't win ?

IMO, if the marker signs the card, then its good enough. There's no need for the physical card to be posted up, what good does it do ? Why not have 2 markers, or 3 ? Where do you draw the line ?
If people are blatantly in cahoots then putting up the card isn't going to do a thing anyway.

shabalala

Russman wrote: »

Fair enough, but just because someone has a run of good scores and plays with visitors, you can't accuse him of cheating. What good is putting is card on the notice board going to do ? The visitors are hardly likely to be roaming the halls, and who else can attest to the number of shots he had ?

Totally agree with elderly members and online access, but surely the competition results are at least posted in hard copy somewhere ? What's the point in posting the 20 or 30 or 80 scores that didn't win ?

IMO, if the marker signs the card, then its good enough. There's no need for the physical card to be posted up, what good does it do ? Why not have 2 markers, or 3 ? Where do you draw the line ?
If people are blatantly in cahoots then putting up the card isn't going to do a thing anyway.

By putting the card up for public display, simply knowing this happens will surely deter any wrongdoing?

Russman

shabalala wrote: »

By putting the card up for public display, simply knowing this happens will surely deter any wrongdoing?

Why though ? If someone is submitting a dodgy card, they already know a random Comp Sec or person doing the scores is going to see it, so the card has to "pass muster" so to speak. What difference does it make by putting on a notice board ? If we don't trust the Comp Sec to do his job and make sure the card is correct, why have one at all ?

I don't think cheating in golf is anywhere near the level of needing public scrutiny of all cards, or that the default position should be that everyone is a potential cheat. I did competitions in my club for a year (weekends only, but it was every Saturday and Sunday for a year) and not once did I see a winning card or score that caused me to think "hang on a minute....."

I agree that it shouldn't matter, but it looks to me like all it is is extra work for the volunteers for no real reason IMO.
I can see, as you say, possibly some notional deterrent value, but honestly I think the vast, vast majority of golfers don't want to or try to engage in wrongdoing.

charlieIRL

If all scores were made public then would it deter the guys N/R trying to avoid a 0.1? If they were constantly at it then the would get caught out quicker? ?

shabalala

charlieIRL wrote: »

If all scores were made public then would it deter the guys N/R trying to avoid a 0.1? If they were constantly at it then the would get caught out quicker? ?

Anybody that posts an NR automatically gets .1 back

shabalala

Would the OP comment on a motive for their enquiry so we can discuss the topic as it should be??

BigChap1759

Too many pseudo detectives snooping around trying to work out which guys are cheating - I just can't get my head around it.

I wouldn't be against having all scores public but I don't think it would stop cheaters from cheating - too many people caught up in what other people are doing rather than concentrating on improving/enjoying their own game IMO..........apologies if this is a little of topic!

Kingswood Rover

shabalala wrote: »

Would the OP comment on a motive for their enquiry so we can discuss the topic as it should be??

Well for me it may sound kinda nerdy but i like looking at our competitions and seeing who scored what on each hole, how many birds they have gotten and their bogey to par ratio. I have also found the Masterscore board colorcoded system a great motivator when not playing particularly well because i hate seeing bogies doubles trebles on my past scores. It would also be great when managing a inter club team to be able to see the oppos recent scores per hole. Masterscoreboard beats the pants off how is your fathers howdidido by the way.

Rikand

I think every score should be available, but I would stop short at having every score posted on a notice board. People who are shooting 20 points every time they go out may find it incredibly embarrassing to have their scores up there. Those players could then stop playing competitions altogether to avoid further embarrassment.

I think as someone mentioned one club is posting top 15 scores. That works well imo. I cant see a reason why anyone in the top 15 would object to their score being displayed

shabalala

Rikand wrote: »

I think every score should be available, but I would stop short at having every score posted on a notice board. People who are shooting 20 points every time they go out may find it incredibly embarrassing to have their scores up there. Those players could then stop playing competitions altogether to avoid further embarrassment.

I think as someone mentioned one club is posting top 15 scores. That works well imo. I cant see a reason why anyone in the top 15 would object to their score being displayed

I was suggesting the winning scores only be posted on the notice board.

Would be tricky to put hundreds of cards up each week me thinks....

Rikand

well, i didnt mean the actual cards. But some sort of graphic like they have on pgatour.com or europeantour.com where all the scores are listed in a horizontal line. You'd get 20 or 30 onto an A4 sheet of paper

kieran.

Don't know what the procedure is in other courses but in the case of all counting competions all entrants scores are posted in the the club house the day following the close of the competition.