End of increment freeze

faughs

hi all. With the increment freeze ending this month will we get the first 3 months back dated?

sitstill

faughs wrote: »

hi all. With the increment freeze ending this month will we get the first 3 months back dated?

We are not getting the money back dated as the point of it was that it was a permanent delay. But we should be getting the increment as and from 1st December.

doc_17

faughs wrote: »

hi all. With the increment freeze ending this month will we get the first 3 months back dated?

Just out of curiosity, did you vote for HRA? And did you do it thinking that we would get the increments backdated?

faughs

I didn't vote for it as I am not in a union.

aratsarse101

It beggars belief how little many colleagues knew about what they were voting. Many didn't seem to realise that a delay in increments is effectively a reduction in annual salary (every few years) for up to 25 years depending on when you began. Between that and people having to pay for their lunch break while others don't even get the option to pay for their lunch break, it just astounds me that people voted for it.

gaiscioch

sitstill wrote: »

We are not getting the money back dated as the point of it was that it was a permanent delay. But we should be getting the increment as and from 1st December.

And, it should be noted that if you earn between €35,000 and €65,000 your next increment will be 15 months later, 1 March 2016.

faughs

It is ridiculous. We "choose" to strike over junior certificate implementations that may benefit students if slightly amended yet we let them walk all over us with Haddington road.. The TUI are a joke of a Union.. This is the reason I won't join.

evolving_doors

faughs wrote: »

It is ridiculous. We "choose" to strike over junior certificate implementations that may benefit students if slightly amended yet we let them walk all over us with Haddington road.. The TUI are a joke of a Union.. This is the reason I won't join.

This is the reason why you should join... and get informed.

Maybe if enough had joined and voted then we wouldnt have those that didn't join complaining about not being represented properly.

seavill

faughs wrote: »

It is ridiculous. We "choose" to strike over junior certificate implementations that may benefit students if slightly amended yet we let them walk all over us with Haddington road.. The TUI are a joke of a Union.. This is the reason I won't join.

It always makes me laugh here that the people that do most of the giving out about unions are either not in one or quit from it. In reality the unions are not there to represent you, you have made that choice so their actions are irrelevant to you.

You are complaining about HR but you didn't put yourself in a position to have an effect on its outcome. Can you not see the flaw in your thinking?

And in case you didn't notice unless we followed through on our strike for the JC there wouldn't be any "slight amendments" being made, its only because we fight that is forcing the changes to happen.

Had we no unions (as much as I detest paying them at times) we would have far more than a 3 month freeze to worry about.

happywithlife

I joined the union specifically to be able to vote NO to HRA
went along to the next meeting - before the first ballot - and was shocked and horrified to be one of 11 - 11 !!!! -- at a meeting in cork city. I had been expecting a packed roomful of angry teachers. No wonder it went through given the apathy of many teachers. And I was easily the youngest member there despite being in myb30's. Funny enough a meeting advertised for NQT's / PT teachers had a bigger turnout last sept. Maybe the union needs to organise a few meetings aimed specially at the "younger" teachers (under 35 IMO) to get them more involved /informed ?

mrboswell

Armelodie wrote: »

This is the reason why you should join... and get informed.

Maybe if enough had joined and voted then we wouldnt have those that didn't join complaining about not being represented properly.

seavill wrote: »

It always makes me laugh here that the people that do most of the giving out about unions are either not in one or quit from it. In reality the unions are not there to represent you, you have made that choice so their actions are irrelevant to you.

You are complaining about HR but you didn't put yourself in a position to have an effect on its outcome. Can you not see the flaw in your thinking?

And in case you didn't notice unless we followed through on our strike for the JC there wouldn't be any "slight amendments" being made, its only because we fight that is forcing the changes to happen.

Had we no unions (as much as I detest paying them at times) we would have far more than a 3 month freeze to worry about.

With respect the union represents its members in a disproportionate way as new and younger members always seem to get a raw deal. Many of the changes that are coming down the line won't have much of an impact on older members. Retired teachers have way too much input and possibly shouldn't have any.


The previous poster has a point in that it could be considered ridiculous that we stand up to junior cert reform but let ourselves down with HR2.
As an ASTI member I was disgusted that we voted yes.


HR2 more or less split the unions down the middle and it is a slippery slope. Although I would seriously question the ASTI leadership it was teacher opinion that divided and the power becomes diluted.


I can't wait until they try to bring in pay related teacher assessment - that will mobilise the troops.
As long as there is such a wide disparity in education in Ireland it will not be accepted by the teaching profession. I would love to have a class of say 25 high achievers - or even a mixed ability class where I'm not told to f-off etc. and be expected to try to teach that student in my class the next day having refusing to apologise to me. I'd love to have a class where the 99% that want to learn are allowed to and can excel because the teacher was able to spend the appropriate amount of time teaching.
The list goes on but the department need to stop hiding behind the education act and others and realise that our legislation is there to ensure a high standard of education for all and especially those who want to learn as opposed to enabling bad habits and behaviors that stunt the development of many.

When I get to do my job without interruption, verbal abuse and threat of physical harm maybe then it would be fair to say bring in pay related teacher assessment. But I won't be accepting as it stands when I would be compared to teachers that are not forced to entertain such behavior.

I'm not say junior cert reform isn't important but I've mentioned a few issues that I'd certainly strike over.

evolving_doors

mrboswell wrote: »

With respect the union represents its members in a disproportionate way as new and younger members always seem to get a raw deal. Many of the changes that are coming down the line won't have much of an impact on older members. Retired teachers have way too much input and possibly shouldn't have any. [...].

I thought their vote has been rescinded... or is that a new motion ?

doc_17

Retired teachers have little to no input. They can't even vote in most things!

rainbowtrout

faughs wrote: »

It is ridiculous. We "choose" to strike over junior certificate implementations that may benefit students if slightly amended yet we let them walk all over us with Haddington road.. The TUI are a joke of a Union.. This is the reason I won't join.

No, they are not great.....but, people voted for HRA. And the thing is the apathy about pay and conditions in staffrooms across the country is astounding.

E.g. a standard cover sheet has been brought in in my school in recent weeks to be put on all tests given to students where there is a marks grid and a section where written feedback is given. It is time consuming. People are whinging left, right and centre about it. Yet two weeks ago, the same people were whinging about going on strike for the day because it was 'annoying' despite the fact that it was going to dump a whole heap of correction and paperwork on them that they currently don't have. That's not even considering the implications of standards etc. People don't want to do anything that upsets their routine for the day even if it means poorer work and pay conditions for the next 30 years.

I was asked why we didn't get our increment in September this year. Whether they were for or against HRA is irrelevant but honestly I don't think those people deserve increments if they can't even be bothered to pay attention to a vote on their own pay and conditions.

mirrorwall14

TUI helped me a get a full time CID this year instead of 80%. Well worth the union fees for the last five years.

In addition you need a combined voice to fight and with all their problems the two unions in teaching are big bodies and give us a good standing. If you aren't in them then frankly you can't complain about them. If you are in them but don't actually do anything then you shouldn't be complaining until you actually get involved. They are only as good as the people in them, us!

mrboswell

Armelodie wrote: »

I thought their vote has been rescinded... or is that a new motion ?

I stand corrected - thought it was just a motion.

evolving_doors

mrboswell wrote: »

I stand corrected - thought it was just a motion.

Ya, no, I dunno... is it a new motion or wha?