Hozier comes under fire from feminists for performing at Victoria's Secret show

Dave!

The Irish Times, the home of hysterical brow-beating feminist types, has had a couple of articles in the last few days lambasting Hozier for what they see as a hypocrisy (because of his lyrics) and misogyny after his performance at the Victoria's Secret fashion show a few days ago.

There's also some criticism being levelled at him for getting paid to pretty much advertise a product. Sellout!

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/more-than-a-feminist-furore-over-hozier-s-appearance-at-victoria-s-secret-fashion-show-1.2027627#.VIK9DIKnccE.twitter
More than a feminist furore over Hozier’s appearance at Victoria’s Secret fashion show

This week, I thought I’d write about the massive furore concerning Hozier’s appearance at an event that, in 2003, the US National Organisation of Women described as a “soft-core porn infomercial”.

Offering reminders of Robin Thicke in that notorious video for Blurred Lines, the Bray star performed his tune fully clothed while various young models pranced around in their undies. Why wasn’t Hozier in his undies? Why wasn’t Ed Sheeran in his undies?

True, the onanists who jiggle along to the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show are not crying out for glimpses of the chaps’ tighty whities. All the more reason to interrupt their rhythm, surely. Oh, the hairy, sub-folk warbler was going to be in some metaphorical soup for this.

Well, what do you know? In the hours following Hozier’s appearance at Earls Court, furore came there almost none. Crickets echoed through Twitter Gulch. The tabloids made Sid James faces and cackled about what lucky boys the lads were. It seemed as if porn culture really had triumphed.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hozier-s-secret-no-way-to-get-under-our-skin-1.2024480
Hozier’s secret: no way to get under our skin

“Take me to church
I’ll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I’ll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life”

Good god, Hozier. What were you thinking?

What were you thinking when Victoria’s Secret called up and asked you to perform at the company’s notorious semi-naked extravaganza?
We had come to love you, Hozier. We’re even on first-name terms these days. We had come to love you and your filleting of religion.

We had come to love you and your steadfast support of difference. We saluted your penetration of the more conservative markets - here and in the US - with your rapier lyrics.

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I haven't checked, but I would put a lot of money on Una Mullally also having some sort of shrill, disapproving reaction to it. Maybe 3 articles saying the exact same thing is too much for the IT though.

Nodin

...isn't their thing womens knickers lingerie that are sold to women?

Honey Monster

Feminists... I'm getting pretty tired of your sh!t.

The Peanut

He should have changed his name to Hosiery; no issue then.

steddyeddy

Women choose to dress up in lingerie. A man turns up at event and he hates women or something.

Mental, just mental.

Honey Monster

...the Bray star performed his tune fully clothed while various young models pranced around in their undies. Why wasn’t Hozier in his undies? Why wasn’t Ed Sheeran in his undies?

Because it's a women's lingerie show. How stupid is this woman?

mikom

The Daily mail is being run a close second by the Indo these days.

Nodin

steddyeddy wrote: »

Women choose to dress up in lingerie. A man turns up at event and he hates women or something.

Mental, just mental.

Could have been worse. He could have said they looked sexy in the knickers lingerie.

My name is URL

Nodin wrote: »

...isn't their thing womens knickers lingerie that are sold to women?

Sold to objectified women for the sexual pleasure of their domineering husbands and boyfriends /s

This is the problem with a lot of 'feminists'.. they refuse to accept that other women are able to think and act for themselves, and expect them all to speak with one voice... which is fairly ironic really.

Richard Hillman

I think Taylor Swift also performed on the show. Did she wear lingerie?

Honey Monster

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think Taylor Swift also performed on the show. Did she wear lingerie?

I'm doing a Google image search as we speak.

..for science.

steddyeddy

Seriously I'm not reading that article. What's her point?

Venus In Furs

My name is URL wrote: »

Sold to objectified women for the sexual pleasure of their domineering husbands and boyfriends /s

This is the problem with a lot of 'feminists'.. they refuse to accept that other women are able to think and act for themselves, and expect them all to speak with one voice... which is fairly ironic really.

Yup, they don't speak for me. Also, I don't mean men agreeing with moderate feminist views, but when men are really hardline feminist (like Donald Clarke is being here) I find it strange. Strikes me as trying to be a hit with the ladies.

Also, a knickers and bras show is NOT misogyny!

Nodin

My name is URL wrote: »

Sold to objectified women for the sexual pleasure of their domineering husbands and boyfriends /s

This is the problem with a lot of 'feminists'.. they refuse to accept that other women are able to think and act for themselves, and expect them all to speak with one voice... which is fairly ironic really.

Bizarre. The weird thing about women I've found is that they wear these kinds of things primarily for themselves (and no, I don't understand).

DoYouEvenLift

steddyeddy wrote: »

Seriously I'm not reading that article. What's her point?

It's written by a man, and that just makes it that little bit better lmao

Letree

I sort of laugh nowadays when i see some journalist proclaim that the feminists are angry over something. The media are the chief protagonists at riling people up over these issues. Who cares if the feminists are upset with hozier.

Letree

steddyeddy wrote: »

Seriously I'm not reading that article. What's her point?

I wouldn't click into the article either. More people should do the same. It would kill off silly articles like these if nobody bothered reading them.

The Strawman Argument

I only heard of this guy a few days ago but his music isn't especially sexy, is it? I'd want my soft-core porn infomercials to have something like Marvin Gaye, not some guy from Bray.

Cantremember

Hosier under fire from feminists!!! Lmao. You couldn't make this **** up. They got something against stocking and tights now?

Peregrine

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

It's written by a man, and that just makes it that little bit better lmao

Not the article that was written earlier in the week.

They're both ridiculous anyway.

Cantona's Collars

They all have lovely bottoms.

For Forks Sake

The only thing surprising me is that neither of the articles in the OP were penned by Una Mulally. I'm sure she'll have something ready for tomorrow where she attempts to link his appearance at the show to subjugation of wimmins.

AndonHandon

Hozier is not under fire from feminists, he is under fire from misguided and clueless people who have been labelled as feminist. Either the definition of feminist is incredibly broad and vague or else they are being incorrectly labelled.

The_Valeyard

Born with a penis?


You are to blame: [ insert problem here.]

Rabble rabble rabble

These people are taking away from real issues that concern the advancement of women in the world.

VinLieger

The woman who wrote this article ago also wrote one 3 weeks celebrating how well Anne Summers Irish operation has been doing since it opened...... hypocrisy much?

Venus In Furs

A man wrote this one, a woman wrote a piece on the same thing a few days ago though.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Born with a penis?


You are to blame: [ insert problem here.]

This is what I find particularly weird about men supporting militant feminism - it's blatantly hostile towards them.

VinLieger

Venus In Furs wrote: »

A man wrote this one, a woman wrote a piece on the same thing a few days ago though.

This is what I find particularly weird about men supporting militant feminism - it's blatantly hostile towards them.

Jesus I just assumed it was the same article. Did the IT really feel a second one was necessary?

qt3.14

AndonHandon wrote: »

Hozier is not under fire from feminists, he is under fire from misguided and clueless people who have been labelled as feminist. Either the definition of feminist is incredibly broad and vague or else they are being incorrectly labelled.

Pretty sure the y self identify as feminists. Clarke certainly did a while ago in his myopic gamers gate article.

Shrap

AndonHandon wrote: »

Hozier is not under fire from feminists, he is under fire from misguided and clueless people who have been labelled as feminist. Either the definition of feminist is incredibly broad and vague or else they are being incorrectly labelled.

Thank you. Yes.


And didn't we do this already a few days ago? Thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057338676

RobertKK

Feminists upset their men don't dress like Ed Sheeran...

https://twitter.com/savedbyniallx/status/540980894413365248

Morag

If Hozier hadn't of banged on about being against misogyny and asking why he grew up in a misogynistic society in a press interview to score points then this article would have never happened. He can't have his cake and eat it, pretty much like those models.

bnt

What's a "Hozier"? Like, half Hoosier, half Hoser?

VinLieger

Morag wrote: »

If Hozier hadn't of banged on about being against misogyny and asking why he grew up in a misogynistic society in a press interview to score points then this article would have never happened. He can't have his cake and eat it, pretty much like those models.

There is nothing misogynistic about the Victorias secret fashion show, its a lingerie fashion show, nothing more and SJW getting worked up about it need their heads examined.

Venus In Furs

Hozier was born in 1990. He did not grow up in a misogynistic society ffs.

TheBeardedLady

I only ever heard of this Hozier fella when this story came out. Is he very popular?

My name is URL

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

I only ever heard of this Hozier fella when this story came out. Is he very popular?

Nominated for song of the year in the upcoming Grammy Awards and has been selling out venues all over the world for the last year

Venus In Furs

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

I only ever heard of this Hozier fella when this story came out. Is he very popular?

He made his name with a song called Take Me To Church (the Sinead O'Connor song of the same name actually came after it) - I like it; reminds me of very early Elton John which was actually really good (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road in particular).

tritium

An example of the crazy side of feminism. Best if everyone, including more moderate feminists treat it with the contempt it deserves. IT really has turned into a bit of a rag in recent years

DoYouEvenLift

Venus In Furs wrote: »

A man wrote this one, a woman wrote a piece on the same thing a few days ago though.

This is what I find particularly weird about men supporting militant feminism - it's blatantly hostile towards them.

They're probably pandering in desperate hopes of ending their sex drought. White knights, basically. One day they'll actually stop and think for a second.

RDM_83 again

Morag wrote: »

If Hozier hadn't of banged on about being against misogyny and asking why he grew up in a misogynistic society in a press interview to score points then this article would have never happened. He can't have his cake and eat it, pretty much like those models.

For once I agree with you on a thread about feminism if he didn't try and big up his social justice credentials by making vapid points I would be defending him from this criticism but he seems to be trying to have his cake and eat it here.

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

I only ever heard of this Hozier fella when this story came out. Is he very popular?

Very catchy song about gay right = profits + extremely positive media exposure

VinLieger wrote: »

There is nothing misogynistic about the Victorias secret fashion show, its a lingerie fashion show, nothing more and SJW getting worked up about it need their heads examined.

Not misogynistic, but if your of that mindset to find fault there is all the body image stuff and they did just have that "Perfect Body" ad campaign that caused controversy

smurgen

Hozier strikes me as a top man.He's down to earth,orginal,talented and comes across as a gent.fair play to him for making a few pounds for himself and having a bit of fun.**** the detractors!

Cathy.C

Morag wrote: »

If Hozier hadn't of banged on about being against misogyny and asking why he grew up in a misogynistic society in a press interview to score points then this article would have never happened.

So because the man has said that he feels that there is misogyny in society, he must now see it everywhere he goes from now on, even if it doesn't exist in those places?

What kind of nonsensical logic is that?

He can't have his cake and eat it, pretty much like those models.

Ah, a little skinny shaming too. How nice.

AndonHandon wrote: »

Hozier is not under fire from feminists, he is under fire from misguided and clueless people who have been labelled as feminist. Either the definition of feminist is incredibly broad and vague or else they are being incorrectly labelled.

I spent over four years at NWCI and in all the dealings which we had with Anthea McTeirnan (and there were many) it was always quite clear to us that she was a feminist activist. Nothing out of the ordinary there of course and I was one myself at the time and so far from her being 'labelled' here as a feminist by those with an agenda, which seems to be what was being implied, it is Anthea herself that chosen to identify as such.

:rolleyes: Ridiculous articles like do this do a hell of a lot more damage to feminism than Hozier or Ed Sheeran singing at a fashion show.

mikeym

Im getting sick of the bull from some of the feminists.

Piliger

There might be SOME hope of stopping this avalanche - this daily tsunami of extreme feminism and misandry in the Irish Ties and Indo if some of us here actually took a few minutes out of our time and put pen to actual paper and write to these newspapers.

They live in a bubble where they suck in all of this feminist nonsense, and us men who are the victims of the sh1t blow off our steam here on Boards. We need to take it to THEM !!

RDM_83 again

Piliger wrote: »

There might be SOME hope of stopping this avalanche - this daily tsunami of extreme feminism and misandry in the Irish Ties and Indo if some of us here actually took a few minutes out of our time and put pen to actual paper and write to these newspapers.

They live in a bubble where they suck in all of this feminist nonsense, and us men who are the victims of the sh1t blow off our steam here on Boards. We need to take it to THEM !!

I find the sense of fiery rage these articles give me quiet useful though. Nothing like reading the Guardians Comment Is Free section and having my blood boil to cut down on the heating bills on these cold winters nights.

hatrickpatrick

Meh, I usually get very passionate about this subject as some of ye know, but I'm starting to think that as a musician or performer of any kind, being attacked by feminists is something of a rite of passage at this stage, a badge of honour.
"Hey have you heard of this band? They're going to be the next big thing!" "Nah I don't think their time has come just yet, they haven't been accused of misogyny on Twitter"

Letree

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Meh, I usually get very passionate about this subject as some of ye know, but I'm starting to think that as a musician or performer of any kind, being attacked by feminists is something of a rite of passage at this stage, a badge of honour.
"Hey have you heard of this band? They're going to be the next big thing!" "Nah I don't think their time has come just yet, they haven't been accused of misogyny on Twitter"

Its a pity they don't turn their attention to a real feminist issue like the plight of the Yazidi women bought and sold as sex slaves in Iraq and Syria.

somefeen

People sometimes get the words sexism and sexy confused

Piliger

somefeen wrote: »

People sometimes get the words sexism and sexy confused

Really ? Where ?

Don Kedick

Piliger wrote: »

Really ? Where ?

Maybe it was a joke. :eek: