Government gives away our emails and calls

VinLieger

So Francis Fitzgerald on Nov 26th signed in law a Statutory Instrument without any discussion or debate that makes it legal for foreign law agencies to spy on ALL of our emails and phone calls.

And people are pissed about water charges?

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/state-sanctions-phone-and-email-tapping-1.2027844

ArmaniJeanss

Seems to be only upon request and and as part of a criminal investigation. No indiscriminate tapping allowed.
And crucially its a two way thing, Ireland can also make similar requests to foreign governments for information which might help any gardai investigations.

Not seeing the problem here.

VinLieger

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Seems to be only upon request and and as part of a criminal investigation. No indiscriminate tapping allowed.
And crucially its a two way thing, Ireland can also make similar requests to foreign governments for information which might help any gardai investigations.

Not seeing the problem here.

The problem is there was an attempt to hide it via statutory instrument without any debate or public discussion not withstanding what right do foreign law enforcement agencies have to our data?

kneemos

VinLieger wrote: »

The problem is there was an attempt to hide it via statutory instrument without any debate or public discussion not withstanding what right do foreign law enforcement agencies have to our data?

Interpol have always had our cooperation AFAIK
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DoomZ

No doubt this will be abused like everything else. :-/

Kristopherus

Sure the Brits & Yanks have been snooping on all things internet and mobile for years. Thats what we know about. Its what the Chinks and Rooskies are up to is the great unknown.

SEPT 23 1989

Somebody needs to keep an eye on the animals who want to see an end to our hard earned western civilisation

Elessar

It really saddens me that this got passed without debate and forces secret courts on companies that don't comply. And it saddens me more that this is less important than water charges to people.

Even looking at the replies on here and on the article: if it doesn't affect their pockets directly, Irish people don't give a sh*te.

Buona Fortuna

Elessar wrote: »

It really saddens me that this got passed without debate and forces secret courts on companies that don't comply. And it saddens me more that this is less important than water charges to people.

Even looking at the replies on here and on the article: if it doesn't affect their pockets directly, Irish people don't give a sh*te.

Well you should see my e-mails. A bit of spam, some implying that I'm not as big a man as I could be, and a couple of e-mails from Amazon saying they're out of stock. The phonecalls are even hotter.

They're more than welcome

The Backwards Man

People forget that years ago, every single phone call was monitored. If they weren't, Sylvia's Mother by Dr.Hook would be a rubbish song.

Who gives a fcuk? Let them listen away.

dxhound2005

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People forget that years ago, every single phone call was monitored. If they weren't, Sylvia's Mother by Dr.Hook would be a rubbish song.

Who gives a fcuk? Let them listen away.

Is right. If you send a text to a person in the next room it is routed through the UK and the USA so that GCHQ, MI5, the FBI and the CIA can get a look at it. Keeps them busy.

anncoates

People's calls and emails must be far more interesting than mine.

the dark phantom

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Somebody needs to keep an eye on the animals who want to see an end to our hard earned western civilisation

So we should spy on Washington and Wall Street ??

the dark phantom

Elessar wrote: »

It really saddens me that this got passed without debate and forces secret courts on companies that don't comply. And it saddens me more that this is less important than water charges to people.

Even looking at the replies on here and on the article: if it doesn't affect their pockets directly, Irish people don't give a sh*te.

Remember that saying about arguing with a fool. Its sad but with this country its very true..

qt3.14

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People forget that years ago, every single phone call was monitored. If they weren't, Sylvia's Mother by Dr.Hook would be a rubbish song.

Who gives a fcuk? Let them listen away.

What's the doctor hook reference?

The_Valeyard

On the plus side, if you loose an email or file, just ring up the lads and they will tell you where it is.

Son Of A Vidic

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

No indiscriminate tapping allowed.

Yes, we all believe that.

The Backwards Man

qt3.14 wrote: »

What's the doctor hook reference?

And the operator says, '40 cents more for the next 3 minutes'

DarkyHughes

Kristopherus wrote: »

Sure the Brits & Yanks have been snooping on all things internet and mobile for years. Thats what we know about. Its what the Chinks and Rooskies are up to is the great unknown.

Do you mean the Chinese & the Russians?

DarkyHughes

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Somebody needs to keep an eye on the animals who want to see an end to our hard earned western civilisation

Yep, that freedom to shot as many black people as we want & get away with it must be kept safe.

ScumLord

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

and a couple of e-mails from Amazon saying they're out of stock.

Are you the sales rep for your company? Could they be work emails?

Buona Fortuna

ScumLord wrote: »

Are you the sales rep for your company? Could they be work emails?

Am I gainfully employed by Amazon? No, though I do buy quite a bit of stuff from them

My name is URL

The provision for the secret courts is exceptionally unusual.

“Even with very sensitive cases in Ireland they’re not prosecuted in camera,” said TJ McIntyre, lecturer at University College Dublin’s school of law and chairman of advocacy group Digital Rights Ireland. “It’s worrying because it means telecommunications companies might be pressured into doing things that aren’t entirely legal.”

The companies would be prosecuted in secret, and would be unable to disclose their objections publicly – or even the fact that they were being prosecuted.

Whatever about allowing foreign agencies to snoop on Irish citizens, that above bit sounds kinda troubling.

end of the road

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Seems to be only upon request and and as part of a criminal investigation. No indiscriminate tapping allowed.
And crucially its a two way thing, Ireland can also make similar requests to foreign governments for information which might help any gardai investigations.

Not seeing the problem here.

they're is a huge problem. the likes of murika making up charges to extradite and prosecute and jail people for something murika doesn't like.

end of the road

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Somebody needs to keep an eye on the animals who want to see an end to our hard earned western civilisation

yeah whatever. but i'm not giving up my rights freedoms/liberties or having rogue people snoop through my private business to supposibly "keep me safe" from a non existant threat. not in my name