Heat genie / stove

2012paddy2012

I have sealed gas central heating. Newish boiler. At time of installation I asked if the stove I had being fitted too , could heat a few rads , instead of just the water. Told no , sealed central heating system and stove couldn't run together.

I would ideally love if a couple of the rads upstairs only would hear whilst stove is on. It heats hot water no problem , with overflow to bath towel rad / in case of over heat.

The stove is on all the time in winter. The towel rad is always very hot.
Will this heat genie I read about be a solution.?

Paddy

Robbie.G

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

I have sealed gas central heating. Newish boiler. At time of installation I asked if the stove I had being fitted too , could heat a few rads , instead of just the water. Told no , sealed central heating system and stove couldn't run together.

I would ideally love if a couple of the rads upstairs only would hear whilst stove is on. It heats hot water no problem , with overflow to bath towel rad / in case of over heat.

The stove is on all the time in winter. The towel rad is always very hot.
Will this heat genie I read about be a solution.?

Paddy

There are two options and products that can do what you want.
The heat genie from system link
The heat exchanger from firebird
http://www.firebird.ie/images/Downloads/Solid_Fuel_Heat_Exchanger_Brochure.pdf
Either will do depends which suits your installation more

2012paddy2012

thks v much. I wonder is it generally very expensive? I really only wanna heat upstairs rads take cold out of air when stove on downstairs - are you plumber?

2012paddy2012

The heartening is for connecting a stove to the oil or gas system the water from the stove doesn't mix with the water system, it doesn't heat anything -
this a note I got back from plumber when I enquiried if heat genie could heat rads-!!?? confused now lol

2012paddy2012

just to clarify-
I have a clear view multi stove situated in kitchen. and its this I wanted to know if it could be adapted to heat rads- it heats water. it heats one overflow towel rail- thks. paddy

Dtp1979

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

just to clarify-
I have a clear view multi stove situated in kitchen. and its this I wanted to know if it could be adapted to heat rads- it heats water. it heats one overflow towel rail- thks. paddy

Yes you can heat the whole house. The firebird unit will work with stoves up to 12kw I think. Basically it's stove pipes in and it's open vented. The Flow/return out of the unit to the sealed gas heating system.

2012paddy2012

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Yes you can heat the whole house. The firebird unit will work with stoves up to 12kw I think. Basically it's stove pipes in and it's open vented. The Flow/return out of the unit to the sealed gas heating system.

Oh that's brilliant- I know the heat can be poor from stoves to rads - would it be possible just to have upstairs rads heating? I know years ago a pump was required on some system s to pump around downstairs and gravoty feed upstairs ! Ideally just upstairs woild be perfect as otgerwise I will have to keep turning off downstairs rads when stove - is on and turn them on again before I go to bed as I always have central heat on in morn for hour to have house warm for kids

2012paddy2012

got some helpful info here thks.
to summarise! stove heats water when tank reaches temperature set -I believe hot water then heats rad. can this be reversed?
so stove will then heat rad when set temperature is reached - hot water will start to heat?
I want the rad to be very hot all the time-
is there a device that can be put on pipes visable in hotpress to run water to rad first and will be safe?

Dtp1979

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

got some helpful info here thks.
to summarise! stove heats water when tank reaches temperature set -I believe hot water then heats rad. can this be reversed?
so stove will then heat rad when set temperature is reached - hot water will start to heat?
I want the rad to be very hot all the time-
is there a device that can be put on pipes visable in hotpress to run water to rad first and will be safe?

You said originally you have a sealed heating system is this correct?

2012paddy2012

Dtp1979 wrote: »

You said originally you have a sealed heating system is this correct?

Thats correct. The immersion tank at the time was removed and replaced with a three -'bar'- ? To accomadate the immersion and the new addition of the multi stove to heat water. A rad (towel rail) was added in case of excessive heat (bathroom) in particular I recall if stove and c heat was on together as it often is - Works like a dream.

All I want to do is move rad (towel rail) from the bathroom to the young lads bedroom (or add another) which is beside hot press tank.... end result to be - instead of having a warm bathroom when stove is on (always is this time of year) kids room will be warm.
What seems to happen is - rad is hopping with heat when water is hot in tank - after say a bath - obviously tank gets cold and stove ( gravity?!) Reverts to heating tank water andxwhen temp is reached .. hot water tgen starts to heat rad ( towel rail) again. I understand that. Not bothered about hot water really as regards stove I want rad- towel rail very hot - all the time stove is on...I wondered is there a device I can put on pipes which are visable and with easy access in hotpress that wi prioritise the rad first - and hot water second - to keep rad hot all the time!

Safety major concern. What's happening is people I talk to - some cant work on gas others know about bits and bobs I need someone who has competent knowlege on both gas - stoves with boilers!

The last pic im sure is pipes that run under bath to rad - towel rail.
If I confirm this- I can put T fitting here fit rad on opposite wall (kids room) im sure both will work ok .... both will be cold when hot water low
..I hoped something could be fitted here to divert hot water to rads first . .

Sorry for such a long reply !!!!!

2012paddy2012

Pics didn't attach trying again !!

pippip

I got a heat genie system installed recently (although I think its a different name). I also got a back boiler stove and new gas boiler fitted at the same time. I had a similar problem when getting quotes as it involved alot of plumbing, gas works and alot of electrical. Couldn't find anyone willing to confidently quote on the complete job. Each person admitted not knowing much about one area and didn't give me the confidence I wanted to give them the job. Ended up a customer of mine runs a small construction company and he took control and sorted me out.

Our system works as you mentioned the genie heats the water first when the stove is up to temperature. If I have the heating on it will go straight to heating the rads once the temperature is up and switch off the boiler. If the timer goes off it will go back to heating the water and not the rads.

I have a million and one questions still to sort so expect to see a few threads from myself over the coming weeks!

2012paddy2012

pippip wrote: »

I got a heat genie system installed recently (although I think its a different name). I also got a back boiler stove and new gas boiler fitted at the same time. I had a similar problem when getting quotes as it involved alot of plumbing, gas works and alot of electrical. Couldn't find anyone willing to confidently quote on the complete job. Each person admitted not knowing much about one area and didn't give me the confidence I wanted to give them the job. Ended up a customer of mine runs a small construction company and he took control and sorted me out.

Our system works as you mentioned the genie heats the water first when the stove is up to temperature. If I have the heating on it will go straight to heating the rads once the temperature is up and switch off the boiler. If the timer goes off it will go back to heating the water and not the rads.

I have a million and one questions still to sort so expect to see a few threads from myself over the coming weeks!

Oh thsts extremely interesting. I had thought that was way it worked -
I had exactly same issue when I got extension done. New gas boiler stove as well. Plumber very confident but was unsure as he went! He was fully certified etc its flying - also I got grant for boiler at that time - it was subsequently inspected by sei - it passed - I was happy. Severe repercussions if they get it wrong!
Im thinking I will put on hot water on for an hour when we light the stove
.. if water is hot hopefully rad will keep hot. I think. I will get another rad and hope it works - thks

pippip

With ours you can have both on at the same time, rads and hot water.

The heat genie takes a bit to heat up to too. You have two pumps basically once the stove reaches 35c the first pump kicks in to pump from the stove to the genie, then once the stove hits 55c the second pump kicks in sending the water to wherever you want. On ours these temps can be adjusted with a control panel. i set the second pump to 60c as I felt the house wasn't hot enough with the cold weather lately. If the temp drops back down the system tells the boiler to turn back on. (if the timer is set to on).

2012paddy2012

pippip wrote: »

With ours you can have both on at the same time, rads and hot water.

The heat genie takes a bit to heat up to too. You have two pumps basically once the stove reaches 35c the first pump kicks in to pump from the stove to the genie, then once the stove hits 55c the second pump kicks in sending the water to wherever you want. On ours these temps can be adjusted with a control panel. i set the second pump to 60c as I felt the house wasn't hot enough with the cold weather lately. If the temp drops back down the system tells the boiler to turn back on. (if the timer is set to on).

Thats ideal. If I understand correctly mine the rad was fitted just as a safely overflow as such. No pumps or anything like that. It seems to be very hot once tank is hot. Common sense tells me water tank hot rad hot lol. On with heat for a whie when stove on us what I will try.
When I read about heat genie and similar I thought you could just whack it on between stove and pipe to tank and it would divert to either rad or tank.

Seems nothing is simple ! Your post is interesting tho thks