dosing plan for dry cows

friesian13

planning on using albex10% and then zanil a few wks later. will this suffice?what are yer plans?

Deepsouthwest

friesian13 wrote: »

planning on using albex10% and then zanil a few wks later. will this suffice?what are yer plans?

U'll prob need to give them fasinex 240/endofluke or something like that as zanil is only a poor fluke dose. Ideally u should do a dung sample first to really know what u need.

Greengrass1

friesian13 wrote: »

planning on using albex10% and then zanil a few wks later. will this suffice?what are yer plans?

Fasinex at drying then either albex for worms week later or noromectin for worms at drying.
I used fasinex and albex combo last yr. Worked a treat.
One dose now at drying this yr of albex for worms and fluke and cows are done.

ferger1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Fasinex at drying then either albex for worms week later or noromectin for worms at drying.
I used fasinex and albex combo last yr. Worked a treat.
One dose now at drying this yr of albex for worms and fluke and cows are done.

Fasinex/albex combo does worms and fluke? Whats the name of it...handy to do all in the day

Injuryprone

Planning on using endofluke and tramazole the day after drying. Going to chance doing without Zanil this year.

GG, if you're using Noromectin bear in mind it has a 60 day withdrawal I think, can't recall if you're blanket drying early for quota reasons or not. Also albex will only cover adult liver fluke.

dar31

Done fecal samples from in calf heifers, young milkers and old milkers, no fluke or worms so on advise from vet no dosing at dry off and zanil on calving but will prob do two batches one late jan and the other early march.
History of rumen fluke and zanil will knock any adult fluke there aswell

Greengrass1

Injuryprone wrote: »

Planning on using endofluke and tramazole the day after drying. Going to chance doing without Zanil this year.

GG, if you're using Noromectin bear in mind it has a 60 day withdrawal I think, can't recall if you're blanket drying early for quota reasons or not. Also albex will only cover adult liver fluke.

Yes I know.
I've a very low fluke count in cows. They were in two weeks when dried so this yr i went with albex got what ever fluke was in them out aswell as worms.
Vet told me I didn't have to

Timmaay

dar31 wrote: »

Done fecal samples from in calf heifers, young milkers and old milkers, no fluke or worms so on advise from vet no dosing at dry off and zanil on calving but will prob do two batches one late jan and the other early march.
History of rumen fluke and zanil will knock any adult fluke there aswell

I'm not a huge fan of zanil at calving, the cow is under enough pressure as is without giving her a huge dose a laxative just after she calves!

blue5000

ferger1 wrote: »

Fasinex/albex combo does worms and fluke? Whats the name of it...handy to do all in the day

Why use fasinex and albex? They both do fluke, wouldn't you be better off using fasinex and a different wormer?

Greengrass1

blue5000 wrote: »

Why use fasinex and albex? They both do fluke, wouldn't you be better off using fasinex and a different wormer?

Albex for worms. Smaller dosage rate for worms

orm0nd

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Albex for worms. Smaller dosage rate for worms

I think you're dairying. . might be best not to write fasinex in your animal remedy's records

mahoney_j

orm0nd wrote: »

I think you're dairying. . might be best not to write fasinex in your animal remedy's records

Fasinex 240 approved for use in dairy herd but why bother when endodluke dose same job at fraction of cost.
Gg u using Albex and fasinex same day ???.pretty severe and not recommended if u are.bit of an over kill too as Albex will kill adult fluke and fadinex will kill all stages.better dose now with Albex and again in 6 weeks but if you've low or no egg counts why bother at all.cows here have tested with no worms or liver fluke but low levels of rumen.had low rumen levels for last few years as well as liver fluke ,dosed annually for liver fluke but never for rumen and never made a difference .will now do all cows with zanil before xmas

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fasinex 240 approved for use in dairy herd but why bother when endodluke dose same job at fraction of cost.
Gg u using Albex and fasinex same day ???.pretty severe and not recommended if u are.bit of an over kill too as Albex will kill adult fluke and fadinex will kill all stages.better dose now with Albex and again in 6 weeks but if you've low or no egg counts why bother at all.cows here have tested with no worms or liver fluke but low levels of rumen.had low rumen levels for last few years as well as liver fluke ,dosed annually for liver fluke but never for rumen and never made a difference .will now do all cows with zanil before xmas

This was last yr. Did for worms 3 wks after drying.
This yr just used albex at drying.
Honestly have never seen our cows look as good the shine off them is serious

orm0nd

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fasinex 240 approved for use in dairy herd but why bother when endodluke dose same job at fraction of cost.
Gg u using Albex and fasinex same day ???.pretty severe and not recommended if u are.bit of an over kill too as Albex will kill adult fluke and fadinex will kill all stages.better dose now with Albex and again in 6 weeks but if you've low or no egg counts why bother at all.cows here have tested with no worms or liver fluke but low levels of rumen.had low rumen levels for last few years as well as liver fluke ,dosed annually for liver fluke but never for rumen and never made a difference .will now do all cows with zanil before xmas

sorry GG didn't know fasinex was approved for dairy , don't use it here (endo fluke)
vet was telling me, some herds are showing resistance to triclabendazole

have rumen fluke here in spite of using zanil , no problems with liver fluke

frazzledhome

Drying 70 cows in morning, giddy up.
Faecal samples away today, result in a couple of days. Will formulate plan then

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Drying 70 cows in morning, giddy up.
Faecal samples away today, result in a couple of days. Will formulate plan then

Hows your milk disease screening shoeing for fluke worms?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Hows your milk disease screening shoeing for fluke worms?

Pay no attention to it. Poo sample tells all

It's just another piece of paper like the Star chart

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Pay no attention to it. Poo sample tells all

It's just another piece of paper like the Star chart

Each to there own. I think its very accurate. Dung sample agrees

Deepsouthwest

Took dung sample one wk after last milk sample was taken. Milk showed slightly high fluke, dung showed zero fluke. Asked girl in AHL, she said sometimes the cows may not shedding eggs and u can never be 100% sure. Had about 10% of the cows dungs in sample, so thought that would be a reasonable representation. Hard to follow!

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Took dung sample one wk after last milk sample was taken. Milk showed slightly high fluke, dung showed zero fluke. Asked girl in AHL, she said sometimes the cows may not shedding eggs and u can never be 100% sure. Had about 10% of the cows dungs in sample, so thought that would be a reasonable representation. Hard to follow!

Dung sample a lot more accurate than milk according to my vet and id agree.

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

Dung sample a lot more accurate than milk according to my vet and id agree.

I'd agree, but nothing is 100%. All these samples should be only taken as a guide, not the gospel.

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Took dung sample one wk after last milk sample was taken. Milk showed slightly high fluke, dung showed zero fluke. Asked girl in AHL, she said sometimes the cows may not shedding eggs and u can never be 100% sure. Had about 10% of the cows dungs in sample, so thought that would be a reasonable representation. Hard to follow!

Do you mean AHI (AHL) posted

Greengrass1

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Took dung sample one wk after last milk sample was taken. Milk showed slightly high fluke, dung showed zero fluke. Asked girl in AHL, she said sometimes the cows may not shedding eggs and u can never be 100% sure. Had about 10% of the cows dungs in sample, so thought that would be a reasonable representation. Hard to follow!

My vet and glanbia vet said the same to me when I asked. 3 consecutive milk screenings negative for fluke and a dung sample with very low egg count as well as up to a dozen animals gone through factory with not a bit of fluke

TheSunderz

We've cattle housed here since early November. Using albex. Should i dose sll cattle now or wait another while. Product only treats mature fluke which would be my main target.

Deepsouthwest

frazzledhome wrote: »

Do you mean AHI (AHL) posted

AHL

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

AHL

One of the most useless orgs ever to be set up. A money making racket for directors expenses. 2 four yr olds with a jar of Nutella would do a more useful job.

They've phucked up BVD as in the people who've done the voluntary year must do another when in fact it all could've been done in one. Now they want to do Johnes, messers.

Deepsouthwest

frazzledhome wrote: »

One of the most useless orgs ever to be set up. A money making racket for directors expenses. 2 four yr olds with a jar of Nutella would do a more useful job.

They've phucked up BVD as in the people who've done the voluntary year must do another when in fact it all could've been done in one. Now they want to do Johnes, messers.

Settle petal, I'm not here to defend them or promote them. I just sent a few dung samples there and thought they were pretty helpful. Also had an issue with salmonella recently, even though I was vaccinating. Sent off a few blood samples to try and get more info. A senior vet there rang me, and gave a good half hr on the phone interpreting the results at no extra cost to the samples. He wasn't selling or pushing anything, just trying to help, I was impressed. So now I guess I am defending them. As for johnes, no one has a solution to that conundrum, and every time someone comes up with one it's quickly proven to be unreliable. I don't think u can blame that on AHL.

greysides

I think there's some confusion between AHI (Animal Health Ireland, who run the BVD campaign) and AHL (Animal Health Labs, Bandon which is a private lab).

If there's a wish to continue this scion of the original thread, I can split it off into a thread of it's own..?

Cow Porter

Are ye guys confusing AHLI with AHI?

Animal health laboratories in Shinagh bandon is where dsw is on about I presume? A private company http://www.animalhealthlabs.ie


Are you speaking about Animal health ireland in leitrim frazzledhome?

Greysides got there first

greysides

Some posts relating to BVD and Johne's Scheme testing have a new home here to allow full discussion of both topics.

friesian13

anyone use ALBENCARE.seems to have been around for a while but now its 50%stronger!would be labour efficient as it does fluke and worms plus eggs.pretty pricey thou around 4E per cow. any thoughts??

keep going

Endofluke for the fluke and paramectin pour on for worms and lice

Deepsouthwest

keep going wrote: »

Endofluke for the fluke and paramectin pour on for worms and lice

That's def the most straight forward option, but u have nothing for rumen fluke there. But maybe u don't have a problem with it.

keep going

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

That's def the most straight forward option, but u have nothing for rumen fluke there. But maybe u don't have a problem with it.

Reckon im safe enough but who knows, let the cows out the house yesterday and they are in good order.getting abit worried aboug calving

Deepsouthwest

keep going wrote: »

Reckon im safe enough but who knows, let the cows out the house yesterday and they are in good order.getting abit worried aboug calving

It's possible they don't need anything, a dung sample costs around €15, and u'll have results in a few days. As far as I know in shinagh they dose the cows at all based on dung samples

Greengrass1

keep going wrote: »

Reckon im safe enough but who knows, let the cows out the house yesterday and they are in good order.getting abit worried aboug calving

Same here. I want to start feeding the bad silage to drys the 69dmd stuff. Normally **** would be stuck to cows back legs now but this yr there still spot less. Real tight coat of hair and a nice shine on them too

frazzledhome

Results of dung samples in.
Cows have Rumen fluke no worms so Zanil

Heifers need no dose at all

degetme

frazzledhome wrote: »

Results of dung samples in.
Cows have Rumen fluke no worms so Zanil

Heifers need no dose at all

Same as yourself. Will you got with two doses of zainl ten wks apart or whats your plan?

frazzledhome

degetme wrote: »

Same as yourself. Will you got with two doses of zainl ten wks apart or whats your plan?

Lice treat and one 110ml of Zanil

degetme

frazzledhome wrote: »

Lice treat and one 110ml of Zanil

Does 1 shot of zanil get all stages of rumen fluke tho if you treat at housing. Lots of conflicting advice on rumen fluke

frazzledhome

degetme wrote: »

Does 1 shot of zanil get all stages of rumen fluke tho if you treat at housing. Lots of conflicting advice on rumen fluke

Cows in 5-6 wks, vet says will suffice

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Results of dung samples in.
Cows have Rumen fluke no worms so Zanil

Heifers need no dose at all

Did cows get wormer during summer? Any liver fluke?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did cows get wormer during summer? Any liver fluke?

No and no

Fluke and worms at drying last year