Query re public house

fearruanua

I hope this is the right forum. if not feel free to move mods.

When abroad in australia and new zealand certain pubs ran joker poker nights once a week. idea is for every drink you buy during a certain time(not at reduced prices) you receive a ticket. after two hours there is a draw and the winner gets a chance to pick the joker from a frame with all the cards face down. pub puts in 100 euro to start and money goes up every week as long as the joker isn't picked. hope this makes sense.
question is... is this legal to do in the rep of ireland as i have never seen it done here.??

goz83

You would need a license at the very least.

Pro Hoc Vice

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

fearruanua

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

Thanks for that

FreudianSlippers

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

I wonder if 3(c) would cause any issue.

Victor

You would be effectively combining a promotion for the sale of alcohol with a lottery. Lots of legal and public policy impediments.

goz83

Victor wrote: »

You would be effectively combining a promotion for the sale of alcohol with a lottery. Lots of legal and public policy impediments.

This.

Drink Aware might look to get involved. A guy i used to work with was setting up one of these warehouse nightclubs where an upfront payment was made in the region of €80 and your entry fee and alcohol was covered. The location of the venue would only be sent by text that day. Drink Aware jumped in and imposed a number of conditions, which blew the whole idea out of the water. Though in that case, I fully agreed with most of the conditions. It was a recipe for disaster otherwise. It never happened in the end.

braddun

its illegal

Pro Hoc Vice

goz83 wrote: »

This.

Drink Aware might look to get involved. A guy i used to work with was setting up one of these warehouse nightclubs where an upfront payment was made in the region of €80 and your entry fee and alcohol was covered. The location of the venue would only be sent by text that day. Drink Aware jumped in and imposed a number of conditions, which blew the whole idea out of the water. Though in that case, I fully agreed with most of the conditions. It was a recipe for disaster otherwise. It never happened in the end.

Unless the warehouse had a licence it would be totally illegal.

goz83

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Unless the warehouse had a licence it would be totally illegal.

I'm foggy on details. This was back in 2006. But, iirc, he was somehow managing to use the upfront payment as a way around this. The customer had then effectively paid for their drinks already, but yes, they were planning to "serve" rather than "sell" on site. I didn't take much interest in the idea. I could just imagine bus loads of young twenty somethings being dropped off at A&E for for stomach pumping and alcohol related injuries.

Pro Hoc Vice

goz83 wrote: »

I'm foggy on details. This was back in 2006. But, iirc, he was somehow managing to use the upfront payment as a way around this. The customer had then effectively paid for their drinks already, but yes, they were planning to "serve" rather than "sell" on site. I didn't take much interest in the idea. I could just imagine bus loads of young twenty somethings being dropped off at A&E for for stomach pumping and alcohol related injuries.

That would not work simply it would have been illegal, it is sale or supply.

Mikros

goz83 wrote: »

This.

Drink Aware might look to get involved. A guy i used to work with was setting up one of these warehouse nightclubs where an upfront payment was made in the region of €80 and your entry fee and alcohol was covered. The location of the venue would only be sent by text that day. Drink Aware jumped in and imposed a number of conditions, which blew the whole idea out of the water. Though in that case, I fully agreed with most of the conditions. It was a recipe for disaster otherwise. It never happened in the end.

Drink Aware don't impose conditions - they are just a body funded by the drinks industry to promote the "mature enjoyment of alcohol" and have no statutory function. The restrictions around the sale of alcohol and the licences required are all set out in the (many) Intoxicating Liquor Acts.

Victor

Mikros wrote: »

"mature enjoyment of alcohol"

That's MEAS.

However, both organisations have enough commercial awareness that causing a storm of negative publicity won't help them. And alcohol suppliers won't want to be seen to breach the guidelines.

Personally I think "Drink Aware" is still a subtle marketing suggestion to drink, not to abstain from it.

Mikros

Victor wrote: »

That's MEAS.

One and the same. drinkaware.ie is entirely funded by MEAS and is the consumer facing brand for the organisation. The funding comes from the drinks industry who obviously have a commercial interest in encouraging moderate use of alcohol as opposed to abstaining from it.