Petrol v Diesel - any new trends for 2015 yet?

Comhrá

Just wondering if there's any perceptible trend for petrol v diesel for new 2015 car orders?

Anyone in the trade notice any shift in trends?

NIMAN

Haven't seen any figures, but I'd guess no change, us Irish love a diesel !!

Crunchienut

I'm going with diesel again and my dealer was saying that most of his 2015 orders are diesel

vienne86

I spoke to a salesman recently and he spoke about this. His take is that petrol is becoming more popular again, and the main new developments re fuel efficiency is on petrol engines as they cannot do much better now with diesels. I have a 2011 Grand Cmax, and when I bought, it was only available in diesel. Now you can get a very efficient 1.0 litre petrol engined version. Apprently low mileage people far rather diesel, and some people just have hang ups about them. Me, I love diesels.

Crunchienut

vienne86 wrote: »

I spoke to a salesman recently and he spoke about this. His take is that petrol is becoming more popular again, and the main new developments re fuel efficiency is on petrol engines as they cannot do much better now with diesels. I have a 2011 Grand Cmax, and when I bought, it was only available in diesel. Now you can get a very efficient 1.0 litre petrol engined version. Apprently low mileage people far rather diesel, and some people just have hang ups about them. Me, I love diesels.

Guessing you may have been talking to a Ford salesman as I was. I was led to believe that there's no great interest in the 1.0 EcoBoost. Based on his experience of this engine in other Ford models none of his initial order of Focus had this engine and he would only be bringing them in if a customer specifically ordered one. He mentioned some customers didn't find the 3 cylinder engine very smooth and even a bit noisy. I don't think it was a sales pitch - he knew I was after the 1.6 diesel and it just came up in general conversation.

Bigcheeze

Crunchienut wrote: »

Guessing you may have been talking to a Ford salesman as I was. I was led to believe that there's no great interest in the 1.0 EcoBoost. Based on his experience of this engine in other Ford models none of his initial order of Focus had this engine and he would only be bringing them in if a customer specifically ordered one. He mentioned some customers didn't find the 3 cylinder engine very smooth and even a bit noisy. I don't think it was a sales pitch - he knew I was after the 1.6 diesel and it just came up in general conversation.

Ehhhh, he knows you're interested in a 1.6 diesel and he's telling you you're doing the right thing. That is selling!

Crunchienut

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Ehhhh, he knows you're interested in a 1.6 diesel and he's telling you you're doing the right thing. That is selling!

Not quite - deal was already done

NIMAN

Crunchienut wrote: »

Guessing you may have been talking to a Ford salesman as I was. I was led to believe that there's no great interest in the 1.0 EcoBoost. Based on his experience of this engine in other Ford models none of his initial order of Focus had this engine and he would only be bringing them in if a customer specifically ordered one. He mentioned some customers didn't find the 3 cylinder engine very smooth and even a bit noisy. I don't think it was a sales pitch - he knew I was after the 1.6 diesel and it just came up in general conversation.

That is the complete opposite of every review I have read of this engine on the reputable car websites, all of which said how smooth, refined and quiet the engine was.

Sounds like old guff from him to put you off buying it.

Crunchienut

NIMAN wrote: »

That is the complete opposite of every review I have read of this engine on the reputable car websites, all of which said how smooth, refined and quiet the engine was.

Sounds like old guff from him to put you off buying it.

Possible - but like I said, I had already discussed and agreed a price on the 1.6 diesel. Being more than happy with that engine in my current Focus I had no interest or intention of going back down the petrol route. The conversation I had with him was along the lines of this post - i.e. what was selling better. Having bought my last 5 cars from this salesman he would have known that.

I can't comment either way on the merits or otherwise of the 1.0 engine and am just quoting what I was told

vienne86

Crunchienut wrote: »

Guessing you may have been talking to a Ford salesman as I was. I was led to believe that there's no great interest in the 1.0 EcoBoost. Based on his experience of this engine in other Ford models none of his initial order of Focus had this engine and he would only be bringing them in if a customer specifically ordered one. He mentioned some customers didn't find the 3 cylinder engine very smooth and even a bit noisy. I don't think it was a sales pitch - he knew I was after the 1.6 diesel and it just came up in general conversation.

It was indeed a Ford salesman, but he didn't say anything negative about the Eco boost engine. He was talking it up actually.

MuppetCheck

NIMAN wrote: »

That is the complete opposite of every review I have read of this engine on the reputable car websites, all of which said how smooth, refined and quiet the engine was.

Sounds like old guff from him to put you off buying it.

Its not, theyre good but a bit noisier than you'd expect alright. Not overly light on juice either but to be fair you'd never think it was only a 1 litre engine.

braddun

france is banning diesel


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/france-to-ban-diesel-cars-from-next-year-707707

vienne86

braddun wrote: »

france is banning diesel


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/france-to-ban-diesel-cars-from-next-year-707707

I think France have much more serious economic issues on their radaar right now.

NIMAN

I don't get this. They are going to ban 'dirty' diesel cars.

So how come when I look at a diesels CO2 emissions, many of them are very low, abd petrol can't match them.

I know a DPF is the answer, but is a petrol car not technically producing more pollution at its exhaust?

Sobanek

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't get this. They are going to ban 'dirty' diesel cars.

So how come when I look at a diesels CO2 emissions, many of them are very low, abd petrol can't match them.

I know a DPF is the answer, but is a petrol car not technically producing more pollution at its exhaust?

Co2 is not as harmful as NOx and CO.

Atlantic Dawn

If the motor tax and VRT were the same I think you would find the figures different. Some people would refinance their house to save €125 a year in motor tax with a diesel, completely ignoring the higher maintenance cost over petrol.

Casati

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Ehhhh, he knows you're interested in a 1.6 diesel and he's telling you you're doing the right thing. That is selling!

I think in fairness the Ford dealer is offering good advise as the diesel is only 300 quid more than the 1.0 petrol. A three year old C-Max petrol today would be worth about 1500/2000 less secondhand than the diesel. The question is why the petrol is so expensive - four years ago the petrols were all in Band C or D, but with the new petrols in Band A the petrols should be much cheaper

Special Circumstances

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't get this. They are going to ban 'dirty' diesel cars.

So how come when I look at a diesels CO2 emissions, many of them are very low, abd petrol can't match them.

I know a DPF is the answer, but is a petrol car not technically producing more pollution at its exhaust?

If you think CO2 is a serious pollutant - stop breathing.

NIMAN

Sobanek wrote: »

Co2 is not as harmful as NOx and CO.

Why are we measuring cars on CO2 emissions then?

Why not measure the amount of harmful substances then?

starlit

braddun wrote: »

france is banning diesel


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/france-to-ban-diesel-cars-from-next-year-707707

Is it cause the petrol is more environmentally and economically more efficient than the diesel? The prices here have come down for both fuels.

Most cars on sale at the moment even the Toyotas are mostly diesel bar the yaris is usually petrol unless you order one you want. Most of the auris ones second hand and on sale are diesel.

The tax band can vary on cars aswell. I saw for an opel astra tax band of c!? Yet the yaris and auris vary in tax band if they were produced before a certain year and after a certain year.

Diesel cars for bigger cars are more popular trends and for smaller cars i'd imagine petrol is more popular.

vienne86

Diesel is cheaper than petrol both here and in France, but the price difference between the two is way bigger in France. The French have always been big into diesels and if they decide to ban them, there will be hell to pay with the French public.

Sobanek

NIMAN wrote: »

Why are we measuring cars on CO2 emissions then?

Why not measure the amount of harmful substances then?

Your guess is good as mine.

Because 200g of CO2 sounds more scary than 10g of CO? Yet which one is more damaging to your health?