Teenager with Leap Card

irish gent

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

LXFlyer

irish gent wrote: »

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

The non-personalised card is only valid for ages under 16.


Your son needs to get the personalised card:
http://www.childleapcard.ie/child-leap-card-16-18-years/


The driver would be correct in advising your son of this.

ForstalDave

irish gent wrote: »

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

Assuming he is getting a student price he requires a child leapcard(16-18) or has to pay the adult fare

http://www.childleapcard.ie/child-leap-card-16-18-years/

Mrs OBumble

irish gent wrote: »

Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

Where exactly do you think he should have gone to explain the rules to this young adult???

The mind boggles, really ....

AlekSmart

irish gent wrote: »

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

Worth advising your son on a number of elements relating to using a Leapcard.

Foremost would be the significant risk of incurring far greater expense for his oul lad in Top-Ups.

For example,as he is 16 he is entitled to a personalized Child Leapcard which will automatically default to a 75c fare when validated at the remote validator up to 19.00 Mon-Fri and 13.30 Sat.

This could result in a substantial saving between €3.30 Cash (13 stage +) journey and 75c. Leap.

The Adult Leap will default to the €2.60 Leapfare if validated similarly,so why impose the extra expense and added inconvienence of using the Drivers Ticket Machine when it could be so much easier and cheaper ?

In addition the Child Leapcard will assign an automatic daily cap of €2.50 per day when used on the Bus only,whilst the Adult Leap will charge all the way to €6.90 per day.

TBH,I'd be more inclined to contact BAC and thank that particular Busdriver for having enough interest and concern for the young lad's financial well-being by offering the advice in the first place.

Unfortunately,on mainstream public transport it is not always possible to allow for private or discrete,one to one discussions on Bus etiquette,and by the sound of this,the Driver got the message across to the young lad (Not always a given when dealing with children/adolescents).
It is also worth considering whether that information imparted to the young-lad was of benefit to other passengers within earshot,who equally,might not have been aware of the Child Leapcard's considerable benefits

However,the choice,at all times is the Customers,if he wishes to pay cash he will be considered an Adult from his 16th birthday,whereas using the specific 16+ Child Leapcard that childhood extends to 19

L1011

irish gent wrote: »

Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

Yes, it is.

As he's 16 he could have easily refused to let him on in the first place, at that.

foggy_lad

irish gent wrote: »

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

The bus driver could have just issued a full price adult ticket and told the 16year old that it would be far cheaper to get a personalised child leap card, or he could have said nothing and just issued the adult fare but afaik there is no bar on any passenger regardless of their age presenting a "green" leap card for travel on bus luas or train.

My guess is that the driver was trying to make sure the youth got himself the cheaper card or at least brought its existence to the attention of his parent(s)/guardian(s) and is fully aware that simply telling a young person that such a card exists is a waste of breath because the youth have more important things to be thinking about than how to save their parents.guardians a fortune.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Where exactly do you think he should have gone to explain the rules to this young adult???

The mind boggles, really ....

L1011 wrote: »

Yes, it is.

As he's 16 he could have easily refused to let him on in the first place, at that.

Can either of ye show where the rules specifically preclude any child or person under 18 from using a non personalised leap card?


https://www.leapcard.ie/en/PageSetting/ContentViewer.aspx?Val=CG%2fCj953WkPB%2b7fwjkLFshsyP7wecX6fiV0VBn3Q632F20yhboVXGTVmv%2b2bImvcFvyDWv8wk%2bd4E5kAGPCvjpJvBUgOhvVEg%2fB6ZgVyLiI6nLqx13jMpsQIKgDUASmGM793kdSI9FJOtf2oYKBBrP3uRbgVAG0ZGo31awr2Vmg%3d

(a) "Adult Leap Card" means those Leap Cards that can be used by a person of any age. Student and Child Tickets cannot be used on this card. Certain adult Tickets such as monthly and annual Tickets cannot be used on this card and must be used on a Personalised Leap Card. It is to be noted that Adult Leap Cards are subject to full adult fares irrespective of the age of the customer using the Leap Card.

cdebru

irish gent wrote: »

Hi All ,My Son is 16 and has the green leap card, I just top it up when ever it's needs toping up. My problem is why did the bus man tell him that he's not allowed to use that type of leap card. He told him not to use the bus with this card again ?.he told him he needs the photo id leap card type. Is it any of his business to say this to the child in front of people on the bus.

He can use the green leap card if he wishes however he would be charged full adult fares, as he is 16 if he wishes to avail of the cheaper child fares he needs a personalised child leapcard, it is your choice whether you want to pay up to €27.50 a week or €8.20 a week.

Tickityboo

The op seems to have gotten lost for words or they rushed out to get the correct leap card!!
They're also probably telling the young fella to thank the bus driver tomorrow (not)

L1011

foggy_lad wrote: »

Can either of ye show where the rules specifically preclude any child or person under 18 from using a non personalised leap card?

If he wants to pay adult fare on one, go ahead. He's not allowed get a child fare on it.

Dravokivich

L1011 wrote: »

If he wants to pay adult fare on one, go ahead. He's not allowed get a child fare on it.

With a Ticket Machine on Dublin Bus, a child fare can be applied without being a companion fare. Alek has confirmed this himself.

Its only in that instance, as validators for Touching On / Off, are set by card type and unable to be adjusted for the user.

L1011

Dravokivich wrote: »

With a Ticket Machine on Dublin Bus, a child fare can be applied without being a companion fare. Alek has confirmed this himself.

Its only in that instance, as validators for Touching On / Off, are set by card type and unable to be adjusted for the user.

He's 16 - he's not allowed get a child fare regardless of how the hell he tries to pay for it except with a personalised leap card.

Dravokivich

L1011 wrote: »

He's 16 - he's not allowed get a child fare regardless of how the hell he tries to pay for it except with a personalised leap card.

There is nothing preventing him from getting the fare applicable to him. Without any kind of leap card as a 16 year old commuting in and out of school he will still be valid for the school child fare if paying by cash. It was part of reason they revised the Child card types.

L1011

Dravokivich wrote: »

There is nothing preventing him from getting the fare applicable to him. Without any kind of leap card as a 16 year old commuting in and out of school he will still be valid for the school child fare if paying by cash. It was part of reason they revised the Child card types.

And the fare applicable to him without any personalised cards or ID is the adult fare. The school fare is only for under 16s unless they have a personalised leap.

How many more times do you need this explained?

LXFlyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

There is nothing preventing him from getting the fare applicable to him. Without any kind of leap card as a 16 year old commuting in and out of school he will still be valid for the school child fare if paying by cash. It was part of reason they revised the Child card types.

No he won't.


Cash schoolchild and child fares apply only to under 16s.


Children aged 16-18 require personalised LEAP cards to avail of the schoolchild/child fares.

s8080

here is a perfect example of what drivers are up against, the driver gave the kid good advice to save money and still some posters say the driver was in the wrong.
you just cant win with some people

Dravokivich

lxflyer wrote: »

No he won't.


Cash schoolchild and child fares apply only to under 16s.


Children aged 16-18 require personalised LEAP cards to avail of the schoolchild/child fares.

Since when? When I was in secondary school there was no stipulation based on age for the school child fare, as long as it was commuting to/from school.

LXFlyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

Since when? When I was in secondary school there was no stipulation based on age for the school child fare, as long as it was commuting to/from school.

It was always only under 16!

If you want I will scan copies of the relevant page from the Dublin Bus/CIE Dublin City Services timetables to prove it.

Sure why else would Dublin Bus have introduced a scholar card for 16-18 to allow them to get cheaper travel going to/from school?

cdebru

Dravokivich wrote: »

Since when? When I was in secondary school there was no stipulation based on age for the school child fare, as long as it was commuting to/from school.

Wrong the age for school fare was always 15 and under, kids attending school older than that were allowed to pay a child fare only because drivers by and large used their discretion and ignored the rule if the child was obviously going to or from school. The child leap card has now extended that age upto 18 but ONLY with a child leap card and only with a personalised child leapcard for those over 15 and under 19. Without the personalised child leapcard it is full adult fare at all times for those in that age group.