How much are the factory charging you ???

roosky

Hi all,

Just doing up the books after the last of the lambs were killed but shocked how much I am paying in levies and fees.

The following are what I get charged for am I the only one getting screwed ?

1. Sheep breeding Ireland 21 c
2. Bord Bia 75c
3. Inspection levy 150c
4. EIF levy 43c
5. SMR levy 45c
6. Haulage 50c

They all seem small but its 3.84 gone off every lamb, it wouldnt bee too bad if I was getting paid full price for every kilo or being paid for every kilo !

Username John

roosky wrote: »

Hi all,

Just doing up the books after the last of the lambs were killed but shocked how much I am paying in levies and fees.

The following are what I get charged for am I the only one getting screwed ?

1. Sheep breeding Ireland 21 c
2. Bord Bia 75c
3. Inspection levy 150c
4. EIF levy 43c
5. SMR levy 45c
6. Haulage 50c

They all seem small but its 3.84 gone off every lamb, it wouldnt bee too bad if I was getting paid full price for every kilo or being paid for every kilo !

I must dig up my prices tonight, but I can tell you they will be much worse than yours...

I pay an ~3euro for haulage (Cork marts)
Plus, I pay a haulier to drop them to the mart... so thats another ~3euro

roosky

Username John wrote: »

I must dig up my prices tonight, but I can tell you they will be much worse than yours...

I pay an ~3euro for haulage (Cork marts)
Plus, I pay a haulier to drop them to the mart... so thats another ~3euro

Thats 6 euro on haulage !, if you got someone to walk them they wouldnt lose a kilo of flesh....you would be up money !

Username John

roosky wrote: »

Thats 6 euro on haulage !, if you got someone to walk them they wouldnt lose a kilo of flesh....you would be up money !

Yep - but my options are limited enough.

The only other option would be to get someone to sell em at the mart, but that would still cost the initial 3euro to get to the mart - and I am not sure who would do this (or who I would be happy doing this)

paddysdream

From my last docket (all lambs).35 sheep ,total deductions of 28.70

An Bord Bia Levy; 25 cents per head.

Inspection Levy ;50 cents per head.

Sheep Breeding Ireland ;7 cents per head.

Think not all factories take the Sheep Ireland Levy.As far as I know its up to the factory whether to participate or not but if they do then the farmer is obliged to pay it.

Found one here for the last cast ewes sold to the factory;
14 ewes;Total deductions of 41.58.

An Bord Bia Levy ;25 cents per head.

SRM Levy;1.27 per head.

Inspection Levy;50 cents per head.

Scrapie Monitoring;88 cents per head.

Sheep Breeding Ireland;7 cents per head.

Your deductions seem quiet high.Should there be an SRM Levy on lambs?Don't think so.

Connemara Farmer

roosky wrote: »

Hi all,

Just doing up the books after the last of the lambs were killed but shocked how much I am paying in levies and fees.

The following are what I get charged for am I the only one getting screwed ?

1. Sheep breeding Ireland 21 c
2. Bord Bia 75c
3. Inspection levy 150c
4. EIF levy 43c
5. SMR levy 45c
6. Haulage 50c

They all seem small but its 3.84 gone off every lamb, it wouldnt bee too bad if I was getting paid full price for every kilo or being paid for every kilo !

43c there you could save yourself handy enough!

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

43c there you could save yourself handy enough!

EIF levy on a €100 lamb is 10c....massive amount ain't it
Deductions here on 17 lambs including EIF and €2/hd haulage is €51

early_riser

got the docket for the last 12 lambs today total deductions 10.15

bord bia 25c a lamb = 3
vet levy 50c a lamb = 6
ifa levy = 1.15

factory only 15 mins away so draw myself

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

EIF levy on a €100 lamb is 10c....massive amount ain't it
Deductions here on 17 lambs including EIF and €2/hd haulage is €51

Money badly spent

I wonder was the OP asked or was it just taken.

paddysdream

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Money badly spent

I wonder was the OP asked or was it just taken.

Don't allow the EIF deduction myself but in fairness if you disagree with it then its very simple to stop it.

All it takes is a phone call.Hear a lot of sh**e spouted about where people say they have to write a letter in to the factory etc etc.

Had it just this year when I killed lambs in a factory where I haven't dealt for a few years.Forgot to tell them to ignore the EIF and all it took was a call when I got the return.

Agree its a very small levy but its the principal of deducting it unless you are proactive in telling the mart or factory not to that annoys me.
If it was an opt in levy ie you had to sign a form to tell the factory to pay it to the IFA etc. then could have no complaints with it.
Still wouldn't pay it of course!!!!

Connemara Farmer

paddysdream wrote: »

Don't allow the EIF deduction myself but in fairness if you disagree with it then its very simple to stop it.

All it takes is a phone call.Hear a lot of sh**e spouted about where people say they have to write a letter in to the factory etc etc.

Had it just this year when I killed lambs in a factory where I haven't dealt for a few years.Forgot to tell them to ignore the EIF and all it took was a call when I got the return.

Agree its a very small levy but its the principal of deducting it unless you are proactive in telling the mart or factory not to that annoys me.
If it was an opt in levy ie you had to sign a form to tell the factory to pay it to the IFA etc. then could have no complaints with it.
Still wouldn't pay it of course!!!!

Oh yeah it would be a lot easier justify it if it was opt in, but that opt out ****e is plain wrong.

Got multiple letters sent to me when I wrote to opt out, lol.

paddysdream

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Oh yeah it would be a lot easier justify it if it was opt in, but that opt out ****e is plain wrong.

Got multiple letters sent to me when I wrote to opt out, lol.

From who?
Always just ring if dealing with a factory or mart for the first time and have never had a problem.

Connemara Farmer

paddysdream wrote: »

From who?
Always just ring if dealing with a factory or mart for the first time and have never had a problem.

IFA telling me how much they were doing for me Twas a protest withdrawal, so letters were sent.

As an officer I'm not allowed not to withdraw from it, so I don't sell in Clifden.

paddysdream

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

IFA telling me how much they were doing for me Twas a protest withdrawal, so letters were sent.

As an officer I'm not allowed not to withdraw from it, so I don't sell in Clifden.

Presume you wrote to the IFA and not to the mart/factory.To be fair thats a bit different to the normal course of just telling the factory/mart not to take the EIF levy.

Also whats the idea behind the name?
European Involvement Fund sounds much more official than IFA/ICMSA/Macra levy when you see it printed on a docket!!!
Should they add in FBD to that seeing as they might need a dig out this year after all the claims over the past winter?

rangler1

paddysdream wrote: »

Presume you wrote to the IFA and not to the mart/factory.To be fair thats a bit different to the normal course of just telling the factory/mart not to take the EIF levy.

Also whats the idea behind the name?
European Involvement Fund sounds much more official than IFA/ICMSA/Macra levy when you see it printed on a docket!!!
Should they add in FBD to that seeing as they might need a dig out this year after all the claims over the past winter?

It's actually what it says on the tin
As far as I know it was started to finance our Brussels involvement, hence the name. European Involvement.
If we weren't in Brussels, we wouldn't be having the problems that we're having now over glas...Con would be lucky to have enough Pillar 2 money to finance DAS never mind any schemes.....but then eaten bread and all that

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Con would be lucky to have enough Pillar 2 money to finance DAS never mind any schemes.....but then eaten bread and all that

Con owes nothing to IFA, IFA chooses to represent "all" farmers off their own bat.

Username John

Right, getting back to the actual point of the thread...

16 lambs sent last time
EIF - 1.74
Bord Bia - 4.00
Inspection levy - 8.00
Sheep breeding ireland - 1.12
Cork marts - 41.60

Total = 56.46
Individual cost = 3.50

Old ram (same cost for old ewes)
EIF Levy - .09
Bord Bia - .25
SRM levy - 1.27
Inspection levy - .50
Scrapie monitoring - .88
Sheep breeding ireland - .07
Cork marts - 2.60

Total = 5.66

paddysdream

Username John wrote: »

Right, getting back to the actual point of the thread...

16 lambs sent last time
EIF - 1.74
Bord Bia - 4.00
Inspection levy - 8.00
Sheep breeding ireland - 1.12
Cork marts - 41.60

Total = 56.46
Individual cost = 3.50

Old ram (same cost for old ewes)
EIF Levy - .09
Bord Bia - .25
SRM levy - 1.27
Inspection levy - .50
Scrapie monitoring - .88
Sheep breeding ireland - .07
Cork marts - 2.60

Total = 5.66

That looks right ie lamb deductions of 50 cent for Inspection(Vet) Levy and 25 cents for Bord Bia and 7 cents for Sheep Ireland.Think the EIF levy is based on .1% of the gross value ie 1 euro per thousand.

The ewe(ram) deductions look right as well.Its the Cork Mart (presume thats transport) costs that make it look dear.Suppose that depends on how far they have to be hauled.

2.60 a head would not cover me to draw say 10 lambs to a factory 30 miles away with my own trailer allowing for diesel and time alone without taking into account paying for a trailer or a wagon capable of pulling it if it wasn't needed at other times.
With 40 or 50 on a load its a different story as the time is the same and diesel is not a noticable lot more.

paddysdream

rangler1 wrote: »

It's actually what it says on the tin
As far as I know it was started to finance our Brussels involvement, hence the name. European Involvement.
If we weren't in Brussels, we wouldn't be having the problems that we're having now over glas...Con would be lucky to have enough Pillar 2 money to finance DAS never mind any schemes.....but then eaten bread and all that

Lets not turn this into another Ifa bashing thread but;

The IFA really tend to overstate their influence in the corridors of power with the "good " news stories but the recent beef business and the result or otherwise of those talks and pickets show how little weight they carry when its put up or shut up.
At the end of the day can they show even 1 real concession they won ?
Anything I read was all talking about how the factories will "look at this and consider that and ask their customers what they think etc etc"

Like I said earlier if this ifa levy was an opt in one then fair enough but it strikes many people as a little underhand and sharp practice to say the least.Have never heard a coherent arguement as to why it cannot be changed to an opt in deduction.

rangler1

paddysdream wrote: »

Lets not turn this into another Ifa bashing thread but;

The IFA really tend to overstate their influence in the corridors of power with the "good " news stories but the recent beef business and the result or otherwise of those talks and pickets show how little weight they carry when its put up or shut up.
At the end of the day can they show even 1 real concession they won ?
Anything I read was all talking about how the factories will "look at this and consider that and ask their customers what they think etc etc"

Like I said earlier if this ifa levy was an opt in one then fair enough but it strikes many people as a little underhand and sharp practice to say the least.Have never heard a coherent arguement as to why it cannot be changed to an opt in deduction.

I've no argument there, I lost interest in beef price many years ago, It's the same in any business...supply and demand dictates price.
No one was going to magic markets out of nowhere this year, but thankfully it's picking up now.
As for the levy, if farmers think that a dairy farmer selling 200,000 euros worth milk off 100 acres should pay the same membership as a sheep farmer selling 50000 euros worth....well I don't think the problems with the IFA, Likewise if you think that farmers would opt in to pay...it wouldn't be my opinion

Username John

paddysdream wrote: »

That looks right ie lamb deductions of 50 cent for Inspection(Vet) Levy and 25 cents for Bord Bia and 7 cents for Sheep Ireland.Think the EIF levy is based on .1% of the gross value ie 1 euro per thousand.

The ewe(ram) deductions look right as well.Its the Cork Mart (presume thats transport) costs that make it look dear.Suppose that depends on how far they have to be hauled.

2.60 a head would not cover me to draw say 10 lambs to a factory 30 miles away with my own trailer allowing for diesel and time alone without taking into account paying for a trailer or a wagon capable of pulling it if it wasn't needed at other times.
With 40 or 50 on a load its a different story as the time is the same and diesel is not a noticable lot more.

I just looked it up there now - tis 230km from Macroom to Camolin, was surprised, I didn't think 'twas as far.

But I pay another ~3euro to get em to the mart...

Still, I find the factory easier overall. No lost time with marts, you know what price you'll get.

Username John

paddysdream wrote: »

Lets not turn this into another Ifa bashing thread but;

.

It seems lads only want to pick at each other these days, and care not if it derails a good thread or not...

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

It seems lads only want to pick at each other these days, and care not if it derails a good thread or not...

I knew Con'd be in as soon as someone stuck up the EIF levy

paddysdream

rangler1 wrote: »

I've no argument there, I lost interest in beef price many years ago, It's the same in any business...supply and demand dictates price.
No one was going to magic markets out of nowhere this year, but thankfully it's picking up now.
As for the levy, if farmers think that a dairy farmer selling 200,000 euros worth milk off 100 acres should pay the same membership as a sheep farmer selling 50000 euros worth....well I don't think the problems with the IFA, Likewise if you think that farmers would opt in to pay...it wouldn't be my opinion

The last line is the crux of the matter.
Either you (ifa) believe that farmers would either not pay it at all or withdraw in protest if at certain times or that really we don't know what is good for us (or something to that effect)
The first opinion would say more about the regard farmers have for the ifa whilst the second would give the impression of a few wise heads leading us sheep.Neither would impress me much to be honest.

Frankly, if you believe that farmers would not pay an opt in levy then it says more about the ifa than about farmers.

And yes I think each and every member should pay exactly the same contribution regardless of what he has or what he does.Otherwise does it not lead to accusations of favouring those who provide a larger monetary support to the union over those who make the minimum contribution?

Lets leave it at that as this is about sheep cheque deductions and not whether the ifa is the devil incarnate or the one true voice of Irish farming.

paddysdream

Username John wrote: »

It seems lads only want to pick at each other these days, and care not if it derails a good thread or not...

But sir I didn't start it.That other big boy pushed me first and anyways he's always calling me names and .........................

On a more serious note I have no interest good bad or indifferent in the ifa,all its works and promises etc.When it was pointed out that some of the deductions were of a voluntary nature by one poster then another poster felt duty bound to defend the organisation to which he belongs.

Back to the sheep haulage.2.60 a head for 230 kms sounds good value to me.Thats about 300 miles of a round trip so about 90 in diesel in a jeep at 20 to the gallon(being optimistic here)Plus best part of a day gone.Allow yourself 100 for the time plus a tenner for grub and its 200 notes before paying for the trailer,jeep or overheads like insurance etc.Costing 4 euro for 50 lambs at that rate.

rangler1

paddysdream wrote: »

The last line is the crux of the matter.
Either you (ifa) believe that farmers would either not pay it at all or withdraw in protest if at certain times or that really we don't know what is good for us (or something to that effect)
The first opinion would say more about the regard farmers have for the ifa whilst the second would give the impression of a few wise heads leading us sheep.Neither would impress me much to be honest.

Frankly, if you believe that farmers would not pay an opt in levy then it says more about the ifa than about farmers.

And yes I think each and every member should pay exactly the same contribution regardless of what he has or what he does.Otherwise does it not lead to accusations of favouring those who provide a larger monetary support to the union over those who make the minimum contribution?

Lets leave it at that as this is about sheep cheque deductions and not whether the ifa is the devil incarnate or the one true voice of Irish farming.

How can spin my post like that and then say we'll leave it...such bs

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

I knew Con'd be in as soon as someone stuck up the EIF levy

OP was lamenting the fact he's being screwed by charges, I gave some simple advice on how he could reduce those charges. If you wish to take that personally, off with you.

paddysdream

rangler1 wrote: »

How can spin my post like that and then say we'll leave it...such bs

Spin?Very little spin my good man,more pointing out the logical conclusions of your post.

Anyways lets start a new thread as this one is about haulage costs and deductions and not our beloved leaders in Bluebell.

orm0nd

lads take the dog for a long walk

paddysdream

orm0nd wrote: »

lads take the dog for a long walk

Heading out to shoot a few foxes in a little while.Would that count?

MayoAreMagic

In fairness, is anyone honestly going to suggest that as many people would opt in to pay the levy? Come on, we all know that isn't the case. Opt-out is actually a good way of doing things, generally. Same with organ donors etc. Instead of having to go out of your way to give it, you should have to go out of your way not to give it. Fair enough in my book. If you have some gripe then opt out.