Aircraft take off question.

Spanish Eyes

I hope this post is not in the wrong place, but I figured you people might know...

I am flying out of Dublin Airport on Thursday afternoon. Dense fog is forecast to last all day.

Would the planes be grounded because of this?

I suppose the danger is mostly on the ground if the planes can't be seen or something by ground/atc.

I don't mind if the flight is delayed or cancelled, at least I would know the reason, and safety is paramount.

So in a bad fog will the flight be able to take off?

Thanks.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I hope this post is not in the wrong place, but I figured you people might know...

I am flying out of Dublin Airport on Thursday afternoon. Dense fog is forecast to last all day.

Would the planes be grounded because of this?

I suppose the danger is mostly on the ground if the planes can't be seen or something by ground/atc.

I don't mind if the flight is delayed or cancelled, at least I would know the reason, and safety is paramount.

So in a bad fog will the flight be able to take off?

Thanks.

Aircraft will take off and land no problem. There may be some slight delays as the movement rate will be reduced slightly because of the fog. ATC have ground radar that can see all aircraft and vehicles on the airfield.

Growler!!!

An aircraft requires less visibility for take off than for landing. With the company I work for we only require a 90 meter visual segment from the cockpit.

Enjoy your flight:D

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Aircraft will take off and land no problem. There may be some slight delays as the movement rate will be reduced slightly because of the fog. ATC have ground radar that can see all aircraft and vehicles on the airfield.

Thanks for the interesting information. I wasn't aware that there was ground radar. But I'm only a pax, not a pilot or anything like that!

Looks like we might get going so!

Fingers crossed.

Cheers, it's great to get real information from those who know!

Spanish Eyes

Growler!!! wrote: »

An aircraft requires less visibility for take off than for landing. With the company I work for we only require a 90 meter visual segment from the cockpit.

Enjoy your flight:D

Thanks.

Chris_5339762

Watch this film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3mNQnOuQA

Tenger

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Watch this film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3mNQnOuQA

But thats landing, he asked about take-off!!!!

:D:D:D

Spanish Eyes

Tenger wrote: »

But thats landing, he asked about take-off!!!!

:D:D:D

Doesn't matter... the intention was good.

I enjoyed watching that landing in fog. That might just be us on the way back!!

Have to say, watched a few clips there on the video thread, and by God, pilots are calm.

The rest of us would have a hernia if there is a bit of turbulence :pac:

smurfjed

For me the issue would be where is the nearest airport where i can land again, in order to takeoff in horrible visibility, we need another airport within 220 mms where the weather is good enough to land.

braddun

ryan air and aer lingus will charge you extra for the fog
as you did not book it in advance

Chuck Aaron

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So in a bad fog will the flight be able to take off?

Each airport will have it's own "Aerodrome operating minima" which is basically how bad the weather can get to the level that a take off or landing with be cancelled.

There's 2 things taken into account, visibility (along the runway - fog etc) and the cloud base (height of cloud above the runway/airport).

Visibility is taken into account for take off's and both visibility & cloud base for landings.

Neither takeoff nor landings in fog cause too much stress or bother to those of us that are Pilots, most here will be familiar with auto land (it's not so much flying the aircraft as opposed "Monitoring & Managing" the aircraft these days), goggle CAT III auto land.

...Oh, short answer: Yes.

postitnote

smurfjed wrote: »

..we need another airport within 220 mms ...

Going to struggle to find many airports within 220 millimetres i would have thought :pac::p;)

sparrowcar

braddun wrote: »

ryan air and aer lingus will charge you extra for the fog
as you did not book it in advance

2006 called, they want their joke back.....

BeardySi

Tenger wrote: »

But thats landing, he asked about take-off!!!!

:D:D:D

Watch it backwards? :P

Tenger

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

.....Have to say, watched a few clips there on the video thread, and by God, pilots are calm.

The rest of us would have a hernia if there is a bit of turbulence :pac:

You have to realise that this sort of stuff is what the flight crew are trained for. They do regular check flights and si sessions to ensure that when difficult/bad situations do occur that they have the SOP's and simulator experience to fall back on.

I know quite a few drivers who enjoy these challenging conditions as it tests their professionalism. They get a sense of "job well done" on days like that.

Chris_5339762

And also what we consider as being a rough or bad weather landing is not what pilots would consider rough or bad. Their definitions would be a lot worse.

Spanish Eyes

Hi all,

Thanks for all the information about something I know little about!

Just on the bad weather stuff again, in September I was flying to Nice. Airport was suddenly closed due to bad winds, that was what the captain said.

So we diverted to Toulon, and wow! Wind was very bad there too, and I experienced my very first "go around".

We got down on the second try, and then an hour later up in the air again to a very windy Nice airport, and would you believe it, ANOTHER go around!

I think the pilot had a good day. It must be interesting and breaks the monotony when a weather challenge happens.

It wasn't pleasant back in cattle class, very bumpy and shaky, but we are all here.

Chuck Aaron

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just on the bad weather stuff again, in September I was flying to Nice. Airport was suddenly closed due to bad winds, that was what the captain said.

Winds, so there's the 3 main types, Head wind Tail wind and Cross wind which affect landing.

For Cross winds (wind blows across or perpendicular to the direction of the Aircraft/Runway direction) & Tail winds (wind blows from behind, increases Aircraft speed and shortens the time it takes to get from A to each Aircraft has specific limits, go above these and these winds make it unsafe to take off or land (time to divert to another Airport).

A lot of planes "Crab" into wind within reasonable Cross winds, nose points into wind until close to runway and then as it's touching down the Pilot will bring in rudder and straightens up the Aircraft and lands.

Plenty of Youtube vids available.

Spanish Eyes

Chuck Aaron wrote: »

Winds, so there's the 3 main types, Head wind Tail wind and Cross wind which affect landing.

For Cross winds (wind blows across or perpendicular to the direction of the Aircraft/Runway direction) & Tail winds (wind blows from behind, increases Aircraft speed and shortens the time it takes to get from A to each Aircraft has specific limits, go above these and these winds make it unsafe to take off or land (time to divert to another Airport).

A lot of planes "Crab" into wind within reasonable Cross winds, nose points into wind until close to runway and then as it's touching down the Pilot will bring in rudder and straightens up the Aircraft and lands.

Plenty of Youtube vids available.

Yes, I have seen a few (to me) hairy landings in crosswinds on ut. It looks like the plane is diagonal coming in, and you would never think the plane could land straight at all.

Then there is a turn just before touch down, it's amazing skills. That would be the "crab like" approach you mention.

Hats off to all you lot in the pointy end.