Wedding photographer looking for second shooters to cooperate

newgirl13

Hi

To explain my situation- my husband and moved recently to Dublin because he got a job. I spent last year building my portfolio and second shooting weddings in our hometown. At the beginning of next year I will start to advertise in Dublin/ Ireland as a wedding photographer.

But, I would like to have a second shooter at weddings so I would love to meet other photographers who are also starting out but have some experience in shooting weddings and would like to second shoot. I am also willing to second shoot on weddings he/ she might book.

One more thing, I will only consider photographers who are using full frame cameras.

If anyone is interested send let me know in a private message, and we'll talk some more... Thanks!

mystic86

OT but I am curious, why the full frame criteria?

newgirl13

Because I shoot with full frame camera and there is a difference in image quality compared to cropped sensor that would be obvious between photos. That's all...

mystic86

I see. Is there a big difference? Do you have the same scene taken at the same exposure by both types of camera, just as an example?

I of course have heard this about full frame cameras before, I'm just curious to see an example

Thanks btw

newgirl13

Yes, there is a big difference. I don't have an example like that, but you can just google it

slinky2000

Depends on the camera and situation.

There's no doubt full frames excel on high ISO situations but on overall quality you can't make a broad statement like that, full frames are better than cropped.

I'm sure I can get just as good a picture 99.9% of the time as any full frame camera with my cropped version, you wouldn't even realise it's not from a full frame camera.

newgirl13

OK, that's your opinion and I respect that. It's just that I have different one based on experience working with both cropped and full frame cameras.

Kenny Logins

That's interesting. I think I can spot the difference, but I suspect I'm using other hints such as the processing and subject etc. to make an informed guess. I'd love to test this.

Paulw

I know a few wedding photographers who shoot with crop sensors.

But, the comment about "only FF" has me curious.

Here are three images - some crop frame, some FF.

Anyone tell which is which?

3 by PaulWa, on Flickr


2 by PaulWa, on Flickr


1 by PaulWa, on Flickr


I'd love if people got this right.

I stripped out the exif, so no cheating.

TheSelf

1st and 3rd on ff. 2nd is a crop?

Ave Sodalis

What's the difference between shooting at cropped frame, and shooting at full frame and cropping in post production?

Whammy!

Full frame cameras can offer a shallower depth of field.

For example a 50mm f/1.2 lens on a cropped body with a crop factor of 1.5 with act like a 75mm f/1.8 lens.
A 50mm f/1.2 lens shot wide open gives a very distinctive look. In order to get the same look with the same depth of field on a 1.5x crop body you would need a 35mm f/0.85 which isn't going to happen.
On a 1.6x or 2x crop body the chances of recreating that look become even harder.

Neither full frame or crop is better or worse. They are just different. I use a lot of f/1.2 lenses and shoot them wide open and love the look. That look is a part of my work. Because of that I will not use a cropped body.

It also works the other way. Medium and large format cameras can offer an even shallower depth of field compared to full frame.

This video explains why you multiply the crop factor to the aperture.

Arciphel

This thread is going well OP...

Kenny Logins

TheSelf wrote: »

1st and 3rd on ff. 2nd is a crop?

I'd say the opposite.

Zillah

Arciphel wrote: »

This thread is going well OP...

Saying something contentious as a sidebar to a niche audience with a specific interest.

Doomed.

Ave Sodalis

Zillah wrote: »

Saying something contentious as a sidebar to a niche audience with a specific interest.

Doomed.

I think it was a success. I for one, learned something new.

magicbastarder

sup_dude wrote: »

What's the difference between shooting at cropped frame, and shooting at full frame and cropping in post production?

simple. the first option you've no choice; the second option you have the choice.

Paulw

TheSelf wrote: »

1st and 3rd on ff. 2nd is a crop?

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I'd say the opposite.

I'll post the answer tomorrow.

Cianmcliam

As well as the ability to get shallower depth of field, you're not going to find a crop frame camera on DXO Mark with a score close to the full frame cameras where it matters most to wedding and event photographers, dynamic range and noise at high ISO. It looks to me like the first crop camera to appear in the DXO High ISO performance chart comes in around 28th place. http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Ratings/Sports

Certainly crop cameras can have a higher density of pixels and can come very close to matching full frame in colour depth etc. but weddings are all about flexibility, full frame is just far more flexible than crop in that kind of situation. If you lose the shot because someone else's flash goes off in front of your lens causing massive underexposure or the priest bans the use of flash in the cave that passes for the altar area, you are bunched with a crop camera.

For another example, I set up a remote flash in the dark church I shot my last wedding in, unfortunately the 'beep' to let you know it is ready to fire again was turned on which meant I couldn't use it at all. Some of the shots ended up at 12,800 ISO on a D750 and 6,400 ISO on the D700, the D750 shots were perfectly usable.

Wildlife photographers still have a use for crop frame cameras as it gives their lenses extra reach, a 300mm lens can become a 450mm lens while still gathering the same amount of light, for full frame cameras you would need to add a teleconverter which robs you of a stop or two of light.

OP, I might be interested in this, I've done about 7 weddings as the main photographer but that's been spread over five or so years so it's easy to lose the flow of the day and you end up playing catch up before another one!

magicbastarder

worth noting that as FF cameras tend to be at the top of the range, it's almost trite to point out that they've better SNRs and colour reproduction - simply because they're the premium models, they will do. whether that's inherent to FF or not is another matter.

Cianmcliam

magicbastarder wrote: »

worth noting that as FF cameras tend to be at the top of the range, it's almost trite to point out that they've better SNRs and colour reproduction - simply because they're the premium models, they will do. whether that's inherent to FF or not is another matter.

Nikon and Sony pushed crop frame sensors to their absolute limit on the highest end Nikon DX cameras like the D2X and D2Xs, moving to the full frame format gave them a revolutionary leap in SNR and dynamic range with the launch of the D3. It was inevitable, they haven't produced a pro level DX camera since the D300s which must be six years old at least, despite having a waiting crowd with a pile of pro quality DX (crop) lenses.

pete4130

Never mind what size sensor you are using. How much are you paying for a 2nd shooter, with an investment in a high end FF camera and bag of pro lenses to help you out?

Paulw

pete4130 wrote: »

How much are you paying for a 2nd shooter, with an investment in a high end FF camera and bag of pro lenses to help you out?

Also, what is expected of the 2nd shooter - actual wedding shots, people shots, arranging groups, carry 1st shooter's gear?

LUZ

i only own crop sensor and i rent FF if i do a wedding, ( cant afford to upgrade yet) id definitely be interested in working with other photographers but not unless the cost of hiring FF is covered.

intolerant

I shoot with two D800's (which are full frame) and wish their capabilities in high iso were as good as my old D7000 (cropped).

I'm a wedding photographer and wish you the very best in your new endeavour, give it socks!!!

candytog

You should also only get people who shoot with lenses with red rings because in my experience they are better.

Cianmcliam

intolerant wrote: »

I shoot with two D800's (which are full frame) and wish their capabilities in high iso were as good as my old D7000 (cropped).

That's very odd, I used to use a D7000 as a backup to my D700 for weddings and would rarely use it above ISO1600 when I could use the D700 at 3200 without even thinking about it. The D800 scores far higher than the D7000 in high iso ability and if you scale the 36MP down to the D7000's 16MP it will eat it for lunch.

newgirl13

I really didn't have time to go through this earlier, but I see that there is still a lot discussion about my full frame camera condition. I don't want to get into it, let's just say that's just the way it is. And like some of you wrote that actually shot some weddings, there are reasons why FF camera is used (especially for low light situations).

For ones that said here that they might be interested- if you are serious please send me a private message, I have no intention to discuss all the details with the whole boards.ie.

Thanks!

braddun

second shooters should be video

Arciphel

LOL

Sounds like working with the OP would be a barrel of laughs, where do I sign up.

AnimalRights

intolerant wrote: »

I shoot with two D800's (which are full frame) and wish their capabilities in high iso were as good as my old D7000 (cropped).

That makes no sense at all.

DaireQuinlan

I only shoot weddings with my 8x10. If I was looking for an assistant I'd naturally only consider another large format user. Medium format shooters think they have it going on but, frankly, would YOU consider working with someone who measures their format size in CENTIMETRES ??!? I mean REALLY.

CabanSail

Missed this thread until now.

The request should have been in the "Services Offered/Requested" thread and not here.

The OP is welcome to post the request in the appropriate thread in accordance with the rules in that thread.

This thread will now be closed. If anyone wishes to continue the valid Full Frame vs Cropped Frame discussion, feel free to open a new thread for that purpose.