Any info on spray and sprayer on the way in 2015

Hugh 2

I hear that in 2015 spray can't be bought by anyone without a spraying lisence.

If I heard right that if you want to spray nettles under electric fence you will have to get someone that has passed some sort of course.

Apologies if this has been covered on this forum already
Sounds like another cost on farming ---- I am wondering
Will I have to buy a stock pile spray for my quad sprayer before year end
Or is it a course I should consider doing before the cows start calving ( can't imaging getting time for this bull sh** after cows start calving )

Thanks

DMAXMAN

as far as I remember you have to be registered as a professional user by nov 2015. grass farmers not using any more than 10 litres per year are exempt.if you are a professional user you will also have to get your sprayer tested by nov 2016. I think that even quad sprayers with a boom will have to be tested

Hugh 2

DMAXMAN wrote: »

as far as I remember you have to be registered as a professional user by nov 2015. grass farmers not using any more than 10 litres per year are exempt.if you are a professional user you will also have to get your sprayer tested by nov 2016. I think that even quad sprayers with a boom will have to be tested

Sounds like this is old news but still new to me

10 litres per year

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does that mean that we can not buy more than 10 litres at a time

Zr105

Hugh 2 wrote: »

I hear that in 2015 spray can't be bought by anyone without a spraying lisence.

If I heard right that if you want to spray nettles under electric fence you will have to get someone that has passed some sort of course.

Apologies if this has been covered on this forum already
Sounds like another cost on farming ---- I am wondering
Will I have to buy a stock pile spray for my quad sprayer before year end
Or is it a course I should consider doing before the cows start calving ( can't imaging getting time for this bull sh** after cows start calving )

Thanks

The course is pretty simple, but takes up 3 days, @around €300, it's mainly about appropriate PPE, environmental awareness/constraints, how to prepare a sprayer for use, calibrate it to be accurate, and to wash out and store appropriately.

Also covers what to do with regards triple rinsing cans, storage of chemicals, and what to do in cases of spillage etc

AntrimGlens

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Sounds like this is old news but still new to me

10 litres per year

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does that mean that we can not buy more than 10 litres at a time

As far as I know if the south is the same as here you can buy any amount of spray but you can only get a contractor to spray it. Sprayers not older than 5 years don't need to be tested

Midfield9

Zr105 wrote: »

The course is pretty simple, but takes up 3 days, @around €300, it's mainly about appropriate PPE, environmental awareness/constraints, how to prepare a sprayer for use, calibrate it to be accurate, and to wash out and store appropriately.

Also covers what to do with regards triple rinsing cans, storage of chemicals, and what to do in cases of spillage etc

How long are ya covered for if you do the course. It would have to be a good few years I'd imagine

Zr105

Midfield9 wrote: »

How long are ya covered for if you do the course. It would have to be a good few years I'd imagine

As far as I know(and hope) atm its indefinitely. But the uk would be a bit further ahead of us with all this and I think they have to do refresher courses every now and again,

Hugh 2

Zr105 wrote: »

The course is pretty simple, but takes up 3 days, @around €300, it's mainly about appropriate PPE, environmental awareness/constraints, how to prepare a sprayer for use, calibrate it to be accurate, and to wash out and store appropriately.

Also covers what to do with regards triple rinsing cans, storage of chemicals, and what to do in cases of spillage etc

Taking 3 days off would be the hardest part
Being a dairy farmer I would only be looking at spraying docks (which I haven't gotten round to for a few years )
Spot spraying weeds under fences and and checking briars that are threatening to grow over electric fences by field ditches are the main spraying that I would be intending doing. Spending 300 for this course would be just adding extra expense

Nekarsulm

Chanced my arm and applied for my licence on line. Got an email back to say experience, no matter how long or comprehensive,was not sufficient . Course must be completed.

Limestone Cowboy

What's the story going to be with weedlickers lads? A lot of homemade ones in the country, will these have to be tested aswell?

Greengrass1

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Chanced my arm and applied for my licence on line. Got an email back to say experience, no matter how long or comprehensive,was not sufficient . Course must be completed.

I did the same but never got back an email

Greengrass1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I did the same but never got back an email

Actually I did get an email and they accepted my application and I have numbers and all now.
Only thing is is that if I get an inspection I need to show proof of qualifications

lakill Farm

you will need a licence or ticket to be able to get out of bed soon.

This country is gone mad

_Brian

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Taking 3 days off would be the hardest part
Being a dairy farmer I would only be looking at spraying docks (which I haven't gotten round to for a few years )
Spot spraying weeds under fences and and checking briars that are threatening to grow over electric fences by field ditches are the main spraying that I would be intending doing. Spending 300 for this course would be just adding extra expense

3 Days is unrealistic for lots of lads..
We have a home made spot sprayer and weed licker.. I struggle to get time to use them never mind spending three days talking about using them :(

Connemara Farmer

Where can one find info on this particular ball of red tape please?

Nekarsulm

Here is the reply I received.

"There is a requirement for registered professional users to have formal training in the safe use and application of pesticides. Therefore, experience alone does not qualify an individual to register.

The following is a list of qualifications which are recognised by DAFM as being appropriate training for the purposes of registration:

§ FETAC 5N0731 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ FETAC 5N1797 – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA2a – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA6 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application course (as part of 1-yr or

§ 2-year qualification).

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application stand-alone short course.



If you have not completed any of the above (or equivalent), you are required to do so in order to register with the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) and this you must do by 26th November 2015 if you intend to apply professional use Plant Protection Products (PPPs) after that date.



Thank you



Pesticide Registers "

enricoh

it'll help a few of the in the dept of ag. to justify there jobs for a while till the pension kicks in- n thats all that matters!

Farmer

Can we still use a weed licker?

tabby aspreme

Are there separate courses for pesticides and herbicides

ihatewinter

Does anyone know if local Teagasc offices will offer pesticides courses

ihatewinter

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Are there separate courses for pesticides and herbicides

No it is all covered under the same course

larrymiller

Will this be covered while getting the green cert ?

sea12

I asked at the dept Ag tent st ploughing about this. I was told there was no exceptions no matter the size of farm or size of sprayer. She said you have to register in 2015 and do the course to be able to purchase chemicals.

monkeynuz

ihatewinter wrote: »

Does anyone know if local Teagasc offices will offer pesticides courses

At the moment only teagasc in dublin and a bit of a shambles, they email you about the course with perhaps a weeks notice then you go for two days then have to go another week for the exam for three hours.

monkeynuz

Farmer wrote: »

Can we still use a weed licker?

You can use a weed locker but you will still need a cert.

No requirement for lickers and knapsacks to be examined.

WestportCFE

Westport College of Further education are going offering the Fetac course in Boom sprayer pesticide application starting in Janurary for 8 weeks for 3 hours per night. The cost will be 200 euros.

monkeynuz

WestportCFE wrote: »

Westport College of Further education are going offering the Fetac course in Boom sprayer pesticide application starting in Janurary for 8 weeks for 3 hours per night. The cost will be 200 euros.

That's the problem though courses are few and far between, my only option is to travel across country and stop over in a hotel, it would be cheaper to go to the uk and do it.

mayota

WestportCFE wrote: »

Westport College of Further education are going offering the Fetac course in Boom sprayer pesticide application starting in Janurary for 8 weeks for 3 hours per night. The cost will be 200 euros.

How many nights?

monkeynuz

mayota wrote: »

How many nights?

I would imagine one a week for eight weeks.

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Here is the reply I received.

"There is a requirement for registered professional users to have formal training in the safe use and application of pesticides. Therefore, experience alone does not qualify an individual to register.

The following is a list of qualifications which are recognised by DAFM as being appropriate training for the purposes of registration:

§ FETAC 5N0731 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ FETAC 5N1797 – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA2a – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA6 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application course (as part of 1-yr or

§ 2-year qualification).

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application stand-alone short course.



If you have not completed any of the above (or equivalent), you are required to do so in order to register with the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) and this you must do by 26th November 2015 if you intend to apply professional use Plant Protection Products (PPPs) after that date.



Thank you



Pesticide Registers "

"Registered Professional Users"
Well that rules me out so I can just work away.

But seriously, this reads like it's only aimed at contractors out on the country spraying for other farms, am I right on that ?? The above certainly doesn't sound like it's aimed at regular farmers with a sprayer and 40-50 acres spraying his own land.

monkeynuz

A professional user is anyone using it in the pursuit of their job so a farmer using on his land is a professional user as is a gardener spraying a few weeds for a customer.

_Brian

monkeynuz wrote: »

A professional user is anyone using it in the pursuit of their job so a farmer using on his land is a professional user as is a gardener spraying a few weeds for a customer.

oh

Nekarsulm

_Brian wrote: »

oh

Of course, Brian, the licence is only needed to buy the spray. Sure, one lad in a parish with the paperwork is all you need.................:D

Kovu

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Of course, Brian, the licence is only needed to buy the spray. Sure, one lad in a parish with the paperwork is all you need.................:D

Until you get an inspection :rolleyes:

Dad has told me to do what needs to be done for it. (ordered me more like)

Nekarsulm

Kovu wrote: »

Until you get an inspection :rolleyes:

Dad has told me to do what needs to be done for it. (ordered me more like)

Quite correct........:D

Hugh 2

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Here is the reply I received.

"There is a requirement for registered professional users to have formal training in the safe use and application of pesticides. Therefore, experience alone does not qualify an individual to register.

The following is a list of qualifications which are recognised by DAFM as being appropriate training for the purposes of registration:

§ FETAC 5N0731 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ FETAC 5N1797 – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA2a – Boom Sprayer.

§ City&Guilds PA1 + PA6 – Handheld Sprayer.

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application course (as part of 1-yr or

§ 2-year qualification).

§ Teagasc Pesticide Application stand-alone short course.



If you have not completed any of the above (or equivalent), you are required to do so in order to register with the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) and this you must do by 26th November 2015 if you intend to apply professional use Plant Protection Products (PPPs) after that date.



Thank you



Pesticide Registers "

From this if I am correct
The relevant department is

Pesticide Registers

Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM)

Also from the above list the last teagasc short course seems most relevant
Doing a course on hand held sprayers seems naff if you intend to spray the odd field of docks.

In the above posts there seems to be a contradiction
Some posts say you can buy all you want but not spray it
Other posts seem to say you can't buy sprayers without it

Talk later. Toy show starting

Robson99

I think it will be like when we e 16 and 17 again. If the barman refused you you gave the money to someone who was over 18 and they got it for you. Same now. Give the price of the spray to a registered contractor and he might oblige. This country is getting so fu#kd up with rules and regulations that I'm beginning to think we would be better off having nothing to do with Europe

Connemara Farmer

Robson99 wrote: »

This country is getting so fu#kd up with rules and regulations that I'm beginning to think we would be better off having nothing to do with Europe

Most of the **** ups come from Dublin. Don't cod yourself that any rules or regs would vanish if we left EU. They wouldn't, various industries and a large number of Gov jobs have been built on them.

The only thing that would go is the carrot.

Bullocks

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Most of the **** ups come from Dublin. Don't cod yourself that any rules or regs would vanish if we left EU. They wouldn't, various industries and a large number of Gov jobs have been built on them.

The only thing that would go is the carrot.

That carrot is getting smaller though