Rules Query

benny79

Lads I was watching the golf on Fri and on the 18th where the river runs along the fairway and crosses the fairway in front of the green its all red staked, anyway someone drove it into the river (where it crosses the fairway) and instead of dropping 2 club lengths back (no nearer the hole) they dropped about 30 yards onto the fairway. I taught this could only be done with yellow stakes!

Can someone enlighten me!

My understanding is red stakes, 2 club lengths out no nearer the hole at point of entry.
Yellow stakes; you can drop out as far back as you want in line of entry keeping the hazard in front of you!

Am I wrong

mike12

You have the same options with Red as Yellow. Plus you have the 2 club lengths or the other side of the hazard again within 2 club lengths.

charlieIRL

Here ya go Benny

Water Hazards (Rule 26)

If your ball is in a water hazard (yellow stakes and/or lines) you may play the ball as it lies or, under penalty of one stroke:

play a ball from where your last shot was played, or
drop a ball any distance behind the water hazard keeping a straight line between the hole, the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard and the spot on which the ball is dropped.

If your ball is in a lateral water hazard (red stakes and/or lines), in addition to the options for a ball in a water hazard (see above), under penalty of one stroke, you may drop within two club-lengths of, and not nearer the hole than:

the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard, or
a point on the opposite side of the hazard equidistant to the hole from the point where the ball last crossed the margin.

Montgolfier

benny79 wrote: »

Lads I was watching the golf on Fri and on the 18th where the river runs along the fairway and crosses the fairway in front of the green its all red staked, anyway someone drove it into the river (where it crosses the fairway) and instead of dropping 2 club lengths back (no nearer the hole) they dropped about 30 yards onto the fairway. I taught this could only be done with yellow stakes!

Can someone enlighten me!

My understanding is red stakes, 2 club lengths out no nearer the hole at point of entry.
Yellow stakes; you can drop out as far back as you want in line of entry keeping the hazard in front of you!

Am I wrong

Yeah 100%
Don't take this the wrong way but why not look up the rule seeing your online anyway? As oppose to taking someone at their word on this forum.

Everybody seems to pick up the rules as they plod along a lot of guys playing together for years are playing the incorrect rules.

Yesterday while passing a green there was a guy dropping green side of a water hazard, the mind boggles. There not cheating within there 3 ball there cheating on everybody in that competition.
A lot of guys don't bother to check the rules at least your making an effort fair play.

Myksyk

Yellow stakes and red stakes are essentially the same in terms of options. Only difference is that red stakes allow you drop within 2 club lengths of the entry point (or on the opposite side to the entry point).

Specifically ....

Yellow
1. Take a drop on the backwards extension of the line from the hole to the entry point under penalty.
2. take a drop on the site of the last stroke (tee up on teeing ground) under penalty

Red (lateral)
1. Take a drop on the backwards extension of the line from the hole to the entry point under penalty.
2. Take a drop on the site of the last stroke (tee up on teeing ground) under penalty
3. Take a drop within 2 club lengths of the entry point under penalty
4. Take a drop within 2 club lengths of the point opposite the entry point under penalty


oops .. sorry for repeat advice ... everyone was obviously typing at the same time!!

benny79

Montgolfier wrote: »

Yeah 100%
Don't take this the wrong way but why not look up the rule seeing your online anyway? As oppose to taking someone at their word on this forum.

Its the understanding of the rule as the way they're written, can be confusing at times..

So if the same can be used for yellow stakes as Red stakes ie you can come back as far as you want under penalty why bother with the 2 club lengths unless you are dropping the other side!(which I take it you can only do if your ball landed on that side and rolled back into hazard)

slave1

benny79 wrote: »

... why bother with the 2 club lengths unless you are dropping the other side!(which I take it you can only do if your ball landed on that side and rolled back into hazard)

It's an option, an option you choose depending on the layout of the water hazard, some water hazards can be extensive and you may end up dropping back at your feet to essentially play the same shot again with the same risks, so if it was me and I had a 160y carry over water or a lateral drop 5ft from the green I'd be away up to the green in a flash

FixdePitchmark

I've seen lads drop on green side of a red stake.

common enough error - if people could just remember "No Nearer Hole" - so many errors would be avoided.

I know there are lads on here that seems to have IQs of 150 - but above is complicated.

The rules of golf are complicated. Above actually requires a person to have a decent level of geometry and spatial awareness - I know everyone on here is perfect - but life is not that easy.

That drawing could be better, if it had red stakes on it , it has a red line.

The word Lateral itself requires knowledge to apply the correct rules.

I know lads will say know the rules - lazy - look them up - read them etc. But some of the same lads use there - their and they're wrong . Not being a grammar Nazi as my own is poor (-, . ; etc.) , but don't expect perfection in a game most people do not play as serious as us (or is it "as we do" :P). .

Montgolfier

benny79 wrote: »

Its the understanding of the rule as the way they're written, can be confusing at times..

So if the same can be used for yellow stakes as Red stakes ie you can come back as far as you want under penalty why bother with the 2 club lengths unless you are dropping the other side!(which I take it you can only do if your ball landed on that side and rolled back into hazard)

There's a diagram on the R&A website that should help with understanding your options.

mike12

Montgolfier wrote: »

Yeah 100%
Don't take this the wrong way but why not look up the rule seeing your online anyway? As oppose to taking someone at their word on this forum.

Everybody seems to pick up the rules as they plod along a lot of guys playing together for years are playing the incorrect rules.

Yesterday while passing a green there was a guy dropping green side of a water hazard, the mind boggles. There not cheating within there 3 ball there cheating on everybody in that competition.
A lot of guys don't bother to check the rules at least your making an effort fair play.

What's wrong with dropping green side of a water hazard as long as there are red stakes he may not have been breaking any rule.

Montgolfier

mike12 wrote: »

What's wrong with dropping green side of a water hazard as long as there are red stakes he may not have been breaking any rule.

It was a yellow staked water hazard

mike12

Montgolfier wrote: »

It was a yellow staked water hazard

You didn't say that the first time but gave the impression it was breaking the rules to drop green side of a water hazard. Thats how it ends up in an argument i read it on the internet that you can't do that.

Montgolfier

mike12 wrote: »

You didn't say that the first time but gave the impression it was breaking the rules to drop green side of a water hazard. Thats how it ends up in an argument i read it on the internet that you can't do that.

Who's arguing?☺