purebred simmental cattle

case5130

looking at getting into Simmental cattle any tips and advice

id be running the on a farm I west mayo 90% grass land 10%hill

any idea what id be looking at spending

cheers

Nettleman

case5130 wrote: »

looking at getting into Simmental cattle any tips and advice

id be running the on a farm I west mayo 90% grass land 10%hill

any idea what id be looking at spending

cheers

commercial and breeding heifers are hard to find and expensive at shows. Weaning Males don't deliver top prices they deserve.

Mad4simmental

Spot on above. Ring the simmental society and have a look at their websight. For top commercial heifers be prepared to pay €1300-€1400 for 400-500kg for top pb be prepared to spend €5000.

The thing is there is allot of mediocre commercial and pb stock about so if you want top €€ you have to invest in top stock.

case5130

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Spot on above. Ring the simmental society and have a look at their websight. For top commercial heifers be prepared to pay €1300-€1400 for 400-500kg for top pb be prepared to spend €5000.

The thing is there is allot of mediocre commercial and pb stock about so if you want top €€ you have to invest in top stock.

I'm happy to pay top money for the real deal my plan was buy right from the start and build the herd up like

We normal run 10-15 cows but I'd be happy to cut down and do the purebred cows right

Nettleman

Case..spotted this...no prices but look good..let us know how ya get on

http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/beef-cattle/8044727

bogman_bass

If you are really serious about it I would spending my money on top notch polled genetics. That's the way things are going, get there ahead of the curve

case5130

How much would ye think I'd be looking at investing in getting set up

Genghis Cant

case5130 wrote: »

How much would ye think I'd be looking at investing in getting set up

Simply put... Whatever ya like.
If you're goin developing a herd my advice would be to buy a smaller number, ( or even just one!) but real quality from proven bloodlines.

limo_100

I think if i was gonna start a pb herd id be going for simmental aswell there probably the only breed left in the beef side that can actually rear a good calf without a freisian cow and a tonne of meal. Sure the english and irish breeders have the limousine breed tapped out of milk thank god for the french there they seem to be the only ones thinging about the future. I was talking to someone in the the progressive genetics tent at the ploughing and i asked them why they dont import a good milky charolais they said they used to do it and no one would bother using them.I used touse themi have a good few cows of ABK he was recommended for at the time and i can assure you theres lots of milk to his pedigree

Farrell

limo_100 wrote: »

I think if i was gonna start a pb herd id be going for simmental aswell there probably the only breed left in the beef side that can actually rear a good calf without a freisian cow and a tonne of meal. Sure the english and irish breeders have the limousine breed tapped out of milk thank god for the french there they seem to be the only ones thinging about the future. I was talking to someone in the the progressive genetics tent at the ploughing and i asked them why they dont import a good milky charolais they said they used to do it and no one would bother using them.I used touse themi have a good few cows of ABK he was recommended for at the time and i can assure you theres lots of milk to his pedigree

Agree with you, just looking a Simmental weanlings, they seem to be beef or milky it's the balance you need.
With regard ABK, icbf show -11kg for milk & going by what your saying (I do agree too), the icbf figures are incorrect which means that us farmers trying tobshape our herds are not getting the correct data to aid usvdo it right

limo_100

Farrell wrote: »

Agree with you, just looking a Simmental weanlings, they seem to be beef or milky it's the balance you need.
With regard ABK, icbf show -11kg for milk & going by what your saying (I do agree too), the icbf figures are incorrect which means that us farmers trying tobshape our herds are not getting the correct data to aid usvdo it right

I just looked at that now im suprised hes -11 because milk is what he was pushed for them years ago. I put him on charolais cows with very little milk and the daughters have a good bit. The purebreed breeders wouldn't even dream of adding milk to the pedigree all they do is make it worse every year.

Farrell

limo_100 wrote: »

I just looked at that now im suprised hes -11 because milk is what he was pushed for them years ago. I put him on charolais cows with very little milk and the daughters have a good bit. The purebreed breeders wouldn't even dream of adding milk to the pedigree all they do is make it worse every year.

IMA, JER & PNY were good for all, while S2014 is good for milk doubts on terminal.
On Semmintal there is lots of bulls with poor milk rating.
Allot of older generation go mad for SM, HE & black LM heifers here believing good for milknlike years ago, & then can't understand if some don't preforn to expectation

Genghis Cant

limo_100 wrote: »

The purebreed breeders wouldn't even dream of adding milk to the pedigree all they do is make it worse every year.

I dunno. I would have used two bulls to try an keep milk over the years. Newlook and Slyvain.
A cow that can't rear her own calf wouldn't be much good to me.

limo_100

Genghis Cant wrote: »

I dunno. I would have used two bulls to try an keep milk over the years. Newlook and Slyvain.
A cow that can't rear her own calf wouldn't be much good to me.

wel im afraid your the exception I wish you were the rule

Genghis Cant

limo_100 wrote: »

wel im afraid your the exception I wish you were the rule

I wouldn't go that far. But to some extent I know where you're coming from.
There was a mania there for a time to use CF52 and the type, who produced a certain type of calf.

ellewood

Genghis Cant wrote: »

I dunno. I would have used two bulls to try an keep milk over the years. Newlook and Slyvain.
A cow that can't rear her own calf wouldn't be much good to me.

Agree cow that can't rear own calf is no good - have had many different pb ch cows last few years and all have reared their calves the finest maybe just lucky but have had a good few 52 bred as well and no bother

annubis

was selling a weanling in mart earlier this year, ai simmental i says to auctioneer.. he turns to me and say..jesus dont mention that word here!! he went on to say the calf was ai, no mention of simmental, now he was light colored anyway so he looked a Charolais..I know the heifers would be in demand for breeding but the commerical bulls dont seem to be a great trade down my side anyway

case5130

annubis wrote: »

was selling a weanling in mart earlier this year, ai simmental i says to auctioneer.. he turns to me and say..jesus dont mention that word here!! he went on to say the calf was ai, no mention of simmental, now he was light colored anyway so he looked a Charolais..I know the heifers would be in demand for breeding but the commerical bulls dont seem to be a great trade down my side anyway

Where was this
Wonder y that was

Mad4simmental

Same everywhere. Simx bulls dont sell as well as say ch or lim or export stock. Hard to say whi as well bred sim bulls can outperform most other breds for kg per day live waight gain and easily grade e & u under 16 months hitting fat score 3 no problem.

Flip of the coin the right sim heifer in the ring will make all the buyers on the day wake up and wanto bid. The right girl will fetch a nice price compared to her ch or lim comrade.

case5130

Is any one heading the sales the weekend

Nettleman

case5130 wrote: »

Is any one heading the sales the weekend

I think there's a special sale in tullamore today but can't go..

Nettleman

anybody tried s1624 Lisnacran sunnyboy? stats look good and price reasonable?

onyerbikepat

It's the same with the Limousin Breed, nearly every show and sale have been topped by Wilodge vantastic (VTI) bred animals this year. He's in the bottom 1% for milk and the bottom 1% for calving difficulty within the Limousin breed. Why would you want to bring genetics like that into a breed. There's a lot of bull**** in Pedigree circles.

Nettleman

onyerbikepat wrote: »

It's the same with the Limousin Breed, nearly every show and sale have been topped by Wilodge vantastic (VTI) bred animals this year. He's in the bottom 1% for milk and the bottom 1% for calving difficulty within the Limousin breed. Why would you want to bring genetics like that into a breed. There's a lot of bull**** in Pedigree circles.

im thinking for commercial not ped and he ranks very high on maternal???

Mad4simmental

Nettleman wrote: »

anybody tried s1624 Lisnacran sunnyboy? stats look good and price reasonable?

Never used him but his stats look very good. Nice pedigree behind him. What sort of cows are you thinking of upswing him on?

limo_100

Iv being using KEELDRUM CAPONE (kez) and AUROCH DEUTER (ahc) this year see what they be like any of use got calves on the ground

Bodacious

limo_100 wrote: »

Iv being using KEELDRUM CAPONE (kez) and AUROCH DEUTER (ahc) this year see what they be like any of use got calves on the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOFB_Ab4Rw
I used him also this year .. any feed back lads? she threw a lump of a bull to APZ this year weighty but not that tall.. be a nice heifer I hope