Movement permit query

Duncan31

My father sold some calves today and despite being warned of the procedure in dealing with the cattle dealer and the permit, he still allowed the dealer to take the section of permit that must be posted to department.

Now what im thinking is that the dealer can possibly ignore the permit (burn it) and run the calves through the mark in fathers name.
All we have here is the sellers slip with his details as buyer.
Am i right in thinking there is nothing stopping the dealer now selling in fathers name?
I gather this suits them quite well for tax purposes and also movement numbers on cattle.

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Deepsouthwest

Duncan31 wrote: »

My father sold some calves today and despite being warned of the procedure in dealing with the cattle dealer and the permit, he still allowed the dealer to take the section of permit that must be posted to department.

Now what im thinking is that the dealer can possibly ignore the permit (burn it) and run the calves through the mark in fathers name.
All we have here is the sellers slip with his details as buyer.
Am i right in thinking there is nothing stopping the dealer now selling in fathers name?
I gather this suits them quite well for tax purposes and also movement numbers on cattle.

Not unusual for a dealer to take and post confirmation sheet for the dept, sometimes the like of me mightn't post that part for a wk, slowing down his movement of a calf to the nxt owner.

keep going

In general I find dealers are the best at doing the paperwork as they like to keep the slate clean with dept

Base price

Duncan31 wrote: »

My father sold some calves today and despite being warned of the procedure in dealing with the cattle dealer and the permit, he still allowed the dealer to take the section of permit that must be posted to department.

Now what im thinking is that the dealer can possibly ignore the permit (burn it) and run the calves through the mark in fathers name.
All we have here is the sellers slip with his details as buyer.
Am i right in thinking there is nothing stopping the dealer now selling in fathers name?
I gather this suits them quite well for tax purposes and also movement numbers on cattle.

According to the Dept, the onus/responsibility is on the purchaser to notify the Dept of the movement.
As far as I know, factories can only issue crossed cheques in the name of the most recent owner on the card. Something to do with a law that Revenue implemented.
I would have assumed that marts would be covered by the same rules??
When we sell cattle privately, I always retain the signed notification copy and forward same to Bandon, just to be safe. If the buyer is on Agfood.ie, I always check to make sure that they have accepted the movement into their herd.