tyre exploding causing death?

WhiteWalls

Is the simple explanation for this just forgetting that the tyre is being pumped? I just find it hard to believe that one could get killed from a tyre exploding.

The Letheram

I know a guy who was inflating a tyre off a hgv and was sitting on the tyre at the time. He over inflated it and the tyre blew. He hit the roof of the shed and came back down. He ended up brain damahed and in a wheel chair. I suppose the answer to your question is yes, you could be.

Mad4simmental

You can get faulty tyres too. Sum will have a bad spot and may bubble. Good Frend of mine works off the biggest hgv tyre lads in Ireland and he broke his arm a few years ago. They use mandetery tyre cages now every time for inflating tyres. Look up YouTube you'd be surprised in the power of a tyre blowing.

Limestone Cowboy

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Is the simple explanation for this just forgetting that the tyre is being pumped? I just find it hard to believe that one could get killed from a tyre exploding.

I'm not too sure of the ins and outs of it but I think it's only a problem with older truck rims. As far as I know there is a band of steel holding on the tyre and this blows off with the pressure and that's what causes the damage, your meant to be behind a safety cage pumping them by right.

Harrier1980

Powerful thing an over inflated tyre.. Check the video below

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZRQhnanyU

MfMan

Tractor tyre killed a poor young man in Clare earlier this year when he was fixing it. Deaths not uncommon from this type of thing in Ireland unfortunately.

Limestone Cowboy

MfMan wrote: »

Tractor tyre killed a poor young man in Clare earlier this year when he was fixing it. Deaths not uncommon from this type of thing in Ireland unfortunately.

Think it was a trailer tyre he was fixing. Sad story regardless.

WhiteWalls

MfMan wrote: »

Tractor tyre killed a poor young man in Clare earlier this year when he was fixing it. Deaths not uncommon from this type of thing in Ireland unfortunately.

two killed in Donegal today from it, that's why I was wondering. Very sad

td5man

Had a tyre blow on the tractor recently went to 3 times its proper size before exploding.
Saw a site dumper tyre blowing a hole in the ground sending a shower of stones over a hundred foot.
A neighbour was pumping a trailer tyre that exploded leaving him in hospital for 3 months.

visatorro

WhiteWalls wrote: »

two killed in Donegal today from it, that's why I was wondering. Very sad

if there was an incident today maybe this subject should be left alone for a while .

onyerbikepat

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I'm not too sure of the ins and outs of it but I think it's only a problem with older truck rims. As far as I know there is a band of steel holding on the tyre and this blows off with the pressure and that's what causes the damage, your meant to be behind a safety cage pumping them by right.

This is what I thought was the problem too. We have a very old trailer that has wheels like that. I always stand to the side when inflating those tyres in case the steel band comes free.

fastrac

Tyre burst on a vacuum tanker passing my yard and the force blew the leaves off ten feet of griselinea hedging and cracked a block wall. i was a mile away and heard the bang as if it was a few yards away..RIP to the two men killed doing their job.

delaney001

td5man wrote: »

Had a tyre blow on the tractor recently went to 3 times its proper size before exploding.
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I might be misreading you, but why did you inflate it to 3 times it size in the first place?

td5man

delaney001 wrote: »

I might be misreading you, but why did you inflate it to 3 times it size in the first place?

Didn't, it was a fault in the tyre.

_Brian

Lad killed near hear in a factory pumping truck tyre. Happened when I was a kid but I went to school with his son so remember it well.

RIP those poor men in Donegal. Nobody goes to work to die.

I said

Jesus Christ two families lives are ruined by this tragedy and people are on here discussing it.
It's similar to people trying to take photos of that crash in Waterford.

pajero12

td5man wrote: »

Didn't, it was a fault in the tyre.

But you didnt notice it a massive amount bigger than it should be?

_Brian

I said wrote: »

Jesus Christ two families lives are ruined by this tragedy and people are on here discussing it.
It's similar to people trying to take photos of that crash in Waterford.

Ahh is that not a bit strong..
I see nothing at all disrespectful being said, quite the contrary people have great sympathy for the families and friends of those poor men..

gctest50

they can burst from welding the rim if the tyre is up

bursts a few minutes later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLeji8bLOk

seamusk84

Very sorry to hear about the two men who died yesterday. Sympathies to the families.
It is Important to have a discussion on this so we know the dangers.

gctest50

high speed camera tyre test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKlJJqHFfoQ

J DEERE

I said wrote: »

Jesus Christ two families lives are ruined by this tragedy and people are on here discussing it.
It's similar to people trying to take photos of that crash in Waterford.

No it's not. There is no comparison

DarByrne1980

its a vry sad story in donegal. and discussin it should help us realise that there is dangers in doing somethin as straight-forward as inflating a tire. Weve all seen it on farms (my experience) and fellas are blowing up a back-tractor-tyre and there's every1 standing or leaning on the tire as it inflates. old perished tyres or ones with faults in dem can be hazardous. it says somethin about safety but ive never actually seen one of does tire cages in use which is terrible.

td5man

pajero12 wrote: »

But you didnt notice it a massive amount bigger than it should be?

Driving the tractor at the time, tyre went from normal to exploding in 20 seconds.

I said

_Brian wrote: »

Ahh is that not a bit strong..
I see nothing at all disrespectful being said, quite the contrary people have great sympathy for the families and friends of those poor men..

Would letting things settle before starting this discussion be a bit more appropriate.
This only happened yesterday.

WhiteWalls

I said wrote: »

Would letting things settle before starting this discussion be a bit more appropriate.
This only happened yesterday.

These are not the first people to die from this, we are not discussing the particulars of the case

Muckit

Think it's only a good thing that the topic is being discussed.

Remember reading on rsa website l think tyres need to be changed every 6-7 years regardless of wear. Tyres perish. Most parttime farmers tyres going by this criteria would be perished before they would be worn.

We have remoulds on a tractor trailer nearly 30 years!! They'll be changed before l'll pump them again! !

ganmo

When this thread started out I had no idea that the lads in donegal was tyre related.
Having no pressure gauge on the compressor here I realise that's somethin I need to sort out asap

dzer2

The problem with repairing tyres on site is that you never have a safety cage for one. And that most people use a sledge to replace the tyre. This can lead to damage to the beading. The inflation of the tyre often takes place on the ground and the under side cannot be seen. There is a line on the tyre that needs to come out to the rim which will stop the tyre slipping off the rim, if this is not happening the tyre needs to be deflated and the rim cleaned and lubed before inflating.

Ken.

I seen a tyre explode on one of those rubber duck digger machines once on a site in Waterford. Turned it over with the force of it.

the_syco

I said wrote: »

Jesus Christ two families lives are ruined by this tragedy and people are on here discussing it.
It's similar to people trying to take photos of that crash in Waterford.

Taking photos does nothing. Discussing something that causes death, along with people saying how they implemented safety precautions helps to ensure people don't die from it.

For example, I wonder how many knew of the tyre cage until it was mentioned? I didn't.

I said wrote: »

This only happened yesterday.

Yesterday is tomorrow. People are always dying from these, so should we stick our heads in the sand?

onyerbikepat

The last time i had a punsture repaired on a large tractor wheel, they didn't use a cage and it was a company with shops nationwide.

Kevhog1988

worked in a tyre repair place from 13 until i was 22... lots and lots of split rims..... we had a cage but we never used it .... They are a very dangerous wheel though. They have to be pumped on the ground.

sandydan

know fella who was seriously injured pumping tractor tyre using a gas drum filled with air and no gauge , he was sitting beside wheel he was pumping waiting for rim to come up when it blew.
friend of mine at work looked in over top of outside wheel in one of 2 axles of artic grain trailer to check which wheel was leaking ,had just pulled back his head when inside wheel burst blowing double mudguard clean off, he was shaking for hours after.

whelan2

ganmo wrote: »

When this thread started out I had no idea that the lads in donegal was tyre related.
Having no pressure gauge on the compressor here I realise that's somethin I need to sort out asap

now that is :eek: i'll get ya one for christmas

gctest50

get / make one of these instead

15 feet of hose -


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heavy-Duty-Truck-Tire-Inflator-with-15-Hose-and-Single-Lock-On-Chuck-BRAND-NEW-/181529479526?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item2a44000966



maybe extend it so you are well away from the action ?

Kat1170

Remember an ad on TV during the late 70's early 80's about the danger of inflating tyres. Must have made an impression on me as I won't even stand beside a motorcycle wheel while it is being inflated. Like the dog attacking sheep ad it should be brought back.

RIP to the two guys and sympathies to their families.

sandydan

onyerbikepat wrote: »

The last time i had a punsture repaired on a large tractor wheel, they didn't use a cage and it was a company with shops nationwide.

if my info on H&S serves me right, up to recently if it was provided and not used the employee was at fault , new leg now in force could see manager in jail,plus a fine €2.5m in case of a serious accident resulting in loss of life, as their is a requirement in law under the safety health and welfare at work 2005 act that managers must take an active part in work safety,rules, training,supervision and enforcement and remove staff not complying with regulations and use of PPE & safety equipment (cages ), so in this case he should be "removed" from workplace, no excuses.

P_Cash

To those who think this shouldnt be discussed at this time,

After hearing the news, i came here hoping the dangers could be pointed out to me and hoped to learn from it. but a thread is already going.

I never knew this could happen. Totally unaware.

Rip to the two men involved.

Sometimes i feel guilty by the way i learn some lessons versus say my dad, uncle, grandad in yrs gone past. If only they had what we have.

Each to there own opinion, some don't like it discussed now, and some like me have learnt something.

sandydan

theemigrant wrote: »

worked in a tyre repair place from 13 until i was 22... lots and lots of split rims..... we had a cage but we never used it .... They are a very dangerous wheel though. They have to be pumped on the ground.

knew fella who fitted tyres,cleaned rim with wire brush for hrs, fitted tyre tube and rim tapping carefully as he did so then sat on tyre while pumping it, when you needed it you discovered he only pumped it to 30 lbs/sq inch. the joke was he intended to stop prior to reaching roof.this was lorry wheel needing pressure of 100 lbs/ inch, he did not trust home made cage that was made up in 70s using 2" heavy-barrel pipe and channel iron bolted to floor,i think about 3 tyres burst in it and its like new still.

rule supreme

I never realised the danger in this , at least talking about it will make people take more care in future .At least i wont be taking any chances doing it in future .

Muckit

rule supreme wrote: »

.At least i wont be taking any chances doing it in future .

What exactly do you mean by this? What will you do differently to what you did before?

Muckit

I was at a kids party yesterday. A balloon tipped off the hot stove and burst. Some bang. That was just a balloon!!

In reality most lads (most likely including myself) will continue to play russian roulette and keep pumping their trailer and tractor wheels the way they always did.

Up hands how many will go out and buy a cage on foot of all this? ???

Tyres are expensive. How many will go out and replace tyres more than 7 years old?

sandydan

Muckit wrote: »

I was at a kids party yesterday. A balloon tipped off the hot stove and burst. Some bang. That was just a balloon!!

In reality most lads (most likely including myself) will continue to play russian roulette and keep pumping their trailer and tractor wheels the way they always did.

Up hands how many will go out and buy a cage on foot of all this? ???

Tyres are expensive. How many will go out and replace tyres more than 7 years old?

use of cage is mainly when fitting or reefiiting tyre and beading to rim not for everyday inflating a tyre by say 10 lbs that has gradually lost pressure, re infating tyre that loses pressure rapidly is a useless exercise and i have repaired tyres as part of my work for a number of years in a company that had regular h&s awareness & manual training which required signature at end with certificates to boot. however ive been on road and had truck tyres repaired or replaced on roadside and often i figured it was newly trained staff who comply mostly with regs

Muckit

Thanks for that sandydan. Excuse my ignorance! So is the danger only with the fitting of tyres? Would most of this not be done by professionals now?

So is there no danger of a perished tyre exploding on a farmer? Like would there be time enough to get away or would it just not happen? Assuming of course that tyre isn't over inflated past recommended amount.

_Brian

Muckit wrote: »

I was at a kids party yesterday. A balloon tipped off the hot stove and burst. Some bang. That was just a balloon!!

In reality most lads (most likely including myself) will continue to play russian roulette and keep pumping their trailer and tractor wheels the way they always did.

Up hands how many will go out and buy a cage on foot of all this? ???

Tyres are expensive. How many will go out and replace tyres more than 7 years old?

I agree to an extent.
But maybe lads pumping tyres with no gauge will go off now and buy a gauge. My dad used to drill us not to kneel facing straight onto a tyre your pumping.
Get off to one side if you can and particularly for older tyres keep your face turned away only glancing at the gauge. .
Mightn't make a difference for a big tractor tyre but for a trailer tyre it protects your face if it blows.

sandydan

Muckit wrote: »

Thanks for that sandydan. Excuse my ignorance! So is the danger only with the fitting of tyres? Would most of this not be done by professionals now?

So is there no danger of a perished tyre exploding on a farmer? Like would there be time enough to get away or would it just not happen? Assuming of course that tyre isn't over inflated past recommended amount.

im wondering is there a hose fitted with with gauge at other end from valve grip
maybe you will excuse mine but to re-inflate a tyre that's 10 lbs under pressure i forgot to mention i assume that to know it was 10 lbs under pressure you needed (1) a tyre pressure gauge (2) know recommended pressure in 1st place (3) as i pointed out i worked in tyre fitting as part of work (supervised for about 6 months) and had use of cage. (4) sealing bead to rim whether as new or re-fiitng tyre after puncture is most dangerous imo (6) i may be wrong but a 6 yr old tyre will be perished and clearly have tiny cracks on wall, unless its well cared for and probably kept in dark too and off ground(clay) to prevent damage ie trailers, must look up reg on it as 6 yr afaik was an agreed age reached at by authorities as definite remove by age after averaging tyre blowouts . btw a new tyre can blow as quick as any all you need is bad luck, or a nip by tyre lever when fitting to rim seen it done several time mostly by lads taking shortcuts to do work themselves to avoid paying, ie using sledges or heavy hammers to beat on tyre to rim.

ally k

Just back from both wakes ..one of the lads is my brother inlaws brother two of the best people you could ask for they would of left their own work to come and help anyone out ...to say the families is devastated is an understatement god help them ...It was a wheel on a potato harvester that blew off killing them instantly ..i got attacked with a bull on wed eve and very very lucky to be alive only for my wife and son pull me free from the pen of thirty friesian bulls when i briefly went in to check the water troughs so be extremely careful out there and take care..

pajero12

While this is an absolutely terrible tragedy it must be remembered that the deceased were using a road compressor to pump the wheel, If i recall correctly someone said they can pump a 600 wheel in approx 10-15 seconds so the danger would be much greater in comparrison to the compressors most here, me included would be using.

valtraman

I like P Cash came on here to express my sympathy to the families but also hoping to find out how the accident happened so hopefully such can be prevented . Perhaps a better format would be that the site moderator would be allowed access the information from the HSA 3 or 4 times a year and have a thread for us to see the information . We in farming need to hear about the causes of these accidents to help alert us to the dangers

enricoh

oul boy was working day n night during harvest years ago n was sitting on a super single pumping in n fell asleep. went 20 feet into the air n hit the corrigated roof n back down with just a few scrapes.
them split rims are lethal folks, if u are unsure please dont try to have a go