ISIS, Jundullah and...

Brown Bomber

Jundullah, a Sunni terrorist/criminal group who are based in a cross-border region covering Iran and Pakistan have just pledged allegiance to ISIS. They have been carrying out bombings, kidnappings, human trafficking, opium smuggling and all the rest since way before Jihadi John McCain met al Baghdadi in Syria and ISIS 2.0 was born.

However, there is a problem with Jundullah. I want to leave this open to others to see if they can see what the conspiracy could be here.

DamagedTrax

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jundullah, a Sunni terrorist/criminal group who are based in a cross-border region covering Iran and Pakistan have just pledged allegiance to ISIS. They have been carrying out bombings, kidnappings, human trafficking, opium smuggling and all the rest since way before Jihadi John McCain met al Baghdadi in Syria and ISIS 2.0 was born.

However, there is a problem with Jundullah. I want to leave this open to others to see if they can see what the conspiracy could be here.

they've been in contact with the CIA and Pakistani intelligence for years, re Iran.

Brown Bomber

Very good, but the intrigue goes deeper again.

shanered

Does the fact that Jundullah was allegedly headed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaeda operational commander of the September 11 terrorist attack in the US have anything to do with it?

kryogen

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Very good, but the intrigue goes deeper again.

The **** like?
Just post your theory/opinion ffs

Guessing games are for children, whats the point in starting a thread to say, hey these guys are doing this now, can you guess why thats "interesting"

hohoho

degrassinoel

have to agree tbh, otherwise use this forum

Spill it BB

kryogen

Just as I thought

Brown Bomber

kryogen wrote: »

Just as I thought

Overreact much?

I thought it would be more interactive this way. Rather than me being the bloke on Speaker's Corner screaming the "world is going to end" when I don't think the world is going to end; though it could be an interesting idea to explore...

Tell you what, if it's ok with degrassinoel (?) I'll provide more information.

Playing skittles with Saddam
The gameplan among Washington's hawks has long been to reshape the Middle East along US-Israeli lines, writes Brian Whitaker

For the hawks, disorder and chaos sweeping through the region would not be an unfortunate side-effect of war with Iraq, but a sign that everything is going according to plan.

In their eyes, Iraq is just the starting point - or, as a recent presentation at the Pentagon put it, "the tactical pivot" - for re-moulding the Middle East on Israeli-American lines.

This reverses the usual approach in international relations where stability is seen as the key to peace, and whether or not you like your neighbours, you have to find ways of living with them. No, say the hawks. If you don't like the neighbours, get rid of them.
(...)
Its roots can be traced, at least in part, to a paper published in 1996 by an Israeli thinktank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Entitled "A clean break: a new strategy for securing the realm", it was intended as a political blueprint for the incoming government of Binyamin Netanyahu. As the title indicates, it advised the right-wing Mr Netanyahu to make a complete break with the past by adopting a strategy "based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism ..."
(...)
With Saddam out of the way and Iraq thus brought under Jordanian Hashemite influence, Jordan and Turkey would form an axis along with Israel to weaken and "roll back" Syria. Jordan, it suggested, could also sort out Lebanon by "weaning" the Shia Muslim population away from Syria and Iran, and re-establishing their former ties with the Shia in the new Hashemite kingdom of Iraq. "Israel will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them", the paper concluded.

To succeed, the paper stressed, Israel would have to win broad American support for these new policies - and it advised Mr Netanyahu to formulate them "in language familiar to the Americans by tapping into themes of American administrations during the cold war which apply well to Israel".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq

A Clean Break (FULL)

“The Zionist Plan For The Middle-East” The following is a section from a report written in 1982 by Oded Yinon who worked The Foreign Ministry of Israel and was published by The World Zionist Organisation:

Excepts.

Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets.

The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi’ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state

How 5 Countries Could Become 14
Slowly, the map of the Middle East could be redrawn. An analysis by Robin Wright.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/29/sunday-review/how-5-countries-could-become-14.html?ref=sunday

Imagining a Remapped Middle East
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/imagining-a-remapped-middle-east.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

Iran nuclear talks progressing but no deal yet: German FM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/iran-nuclear-talks-progressing-but-no-deal-yet-german-fm/vp-eb9d705d-888e-46ca-94d1-cff635f10446

Insurgents in Pakistan Stepping Up Iran Strikes
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/world/asia/pakistan-sunni-insurgents-step-up-attacks-in-iran.html

Turbat: Blast at Pakistan-Iran border kills one, three injured
National11 HOURS AGO BY PAKISTAN TODAY
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/11/24/national/turbat-blast-at-pakistan-iran-border-kills-one-three-injured/

Iran, Pakistan Exchange Mortar Fire
Amid growing tensions, Pakistan and Iran exchanged mortar fire.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/iran-pakistan-exchange-mortar-fire/

Brown Bomber

A couple more>

Israel Is Cautiously Arming Syria's Rebels — And Has A Fragile Unspoken Truce With An Al Qaeda Affiliate

Read more: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/tough-dilemma-in-southern-syria#When:20:35:21Z#ixzz3K2CWVwg7

In response to Internet queries as to why the militant group wasn’t fighting Israel instead of killing Muslims in Iraq and Syria, its representatives responded: “We haven’t given orders to kill the Israelis and the Jews. The war against the nearer enemy, those who rebel against the faith, is more important.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/05/the-silence-of-the-israelis-on-isis/

Netanyahu: Iran greater threat than ISIL
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/09/netanyahu-says-iran-greater-threat-than-isil-2014929211933546717.html

BuilderPlumber

The problem with these groups incl. Jundullah, al Qaeda, ISIS/ISIL, Taliban, etc. is they ALL are used by Western and/or regional governments for years to get 'onbe over on' some enemy country. Pakistan openly supported groups to carve out huge sections of Afghanistan to become almost a colony of Pakistan. Then, the Sunni v Shia split means Sunni groups want to keep out Shia countries namely Iran. The West has sided with all of these to suit their needs (yes, including Iran!) and often at the same time (Iran-Iraq war). The US of course supported Taliban and al Qaeda in the 1980s against Russia and they became enemies in the 1990s. Pakistan supported them up until 9/11 and Saudi Arabia tolerated bin Laden's alliance with the Taliban (whom SA recognised) as long as they did not target Saudi interests.

BuilderPlumber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Overreact much?

I thought it would be more interactive this way. Rather than me being the bloke on Speaker's Corner screaming the "world is going to end" when I don't think the world is going to end; though it could be an interesting idea to explore...

Tell you what, if it's ok with degrassinoel (?) I'll provide more information.



A Clean Break (FULL)

“The Zionist Plan For The Middle-East” The following is a section from a report written in 1982 by Oded Yinon who worked The Foreign Ministry of Israel and was published by The World Zionist Organisation:

Excepts.




How 5 Countries Could Become 14
Slowly, the map of the Middle East could be redrawn. An analysis by Robin Wright.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/29/sunday-review/how-5-countries-could-become-14.html?ref=sunday

This new map would mean a lot of wars and one can only imagine what the consequences for the world would be. Think Mad Max!

Saudi Arabia is a repressive, fascist dictatorship on one hand but its fall (even to a more moderate and progressive system) would spell the end of the way of life as we know it. No other country waits in their current state to take its place as No. 1 oil producer with advanced and modern operations to extract it. The regime there has nurtured more 'Islamic' terrorism than all other countries combined but a blind eye is turned a lot of the time.

Iran stands ready to take its place but its oil extraction and economy is not nearly as advanced as it has suffered from war, poor governance and power plays over the past 60 years.

If the above map came to pass, you can bet the following: The Islamic Sacred State would be some fascist dictatorship hostile to both the West and its neighbours. Iraq would be divided into a fanatic ISIS entity called the Iraqi Sunni State and would do all it can to cause trouble for the presumably moderate Shia and Kurd entities. Turkey just would not allow all its territory into a Kurdish state so cannot predict this forming into Turkey. It would remain strictly in Iraq unless things really started to crumble. Then, again, we are thing of a Mad Max style breakdown if SA falls so anything could happen. Likewise, Iran: they would not allow a Shia Arab state develop or either would Kuwait. But if things really get bad, this could result. Syria would turn into a total mess and would be fair game for the Israelis v ISIS. Israel would seal its borders 100% I would presume. A fanatic poorer state would also develop in the lower part of Saudi and Yemen. Very al Qaeda orientated, again this would be hostile to its neighbours but would find common ground with the Sacred State entity. You could end up then with 2 sets of Sunni Arab extremists pitted against each other: ISIS in the north (Iraq, Syria) and the remnants of Saudi Arabia under bin Laden loyalists to the south. Israel, Iran and Turkey along with the Kurds and Iraqi Shia would all hope they would wipe each other out for different reasons.