Fair play to Andrew McGuinness

brianblaze

He's put up a petition in relation to the disgraceful treatment of horses in certain parts of Kilkenny....

https://www.change.org/p/irish-government-kilkenny-county-council-kilkenny-gardai-zero-tolerance-towards-cruelty-to-horses-in-kilkenny/share?just_signed=true

Be warned, there's a fairly horrid picture at that link of the horse that was illed last week.

Bowlardo

This is from the Kilkenny people
Jun 26, 2014 - "The newly-elected Mayor of Kilkenny has said it is time that the county council puts an end to cruelty to horses in Kilkenny and addresses the issue of sulky racing"


Fair play for him for getting behind a worthy cause but as far as I can see all he has done in 6 months in create a an online petition. Anyone could have created that in a few minutes.


Also there is nothing in the article to suggest how he proposes to do it or what legislation.
"I am also calling on the Government to introduce legislation to enable the Gardai to deal with the issue properly as a matter of urgency"


In other words I am calling on the government to do something as I have no idea what do but at least this story will have my picture in the paper.
If anything actually concrete comes out of this I'll be amazed

kikel

Andrew McGuinness speaks a lot of tripe. He will back anything that he feels is popular. Seen it before, the man is of little substance.

Dr.Sanchez

kikel wrote: »

Andrew McGuinness speaks a lot of tripe. He will back anything that he feels is popular. Seen it before, the man is of little substance.

+1 The guy's an absolute tit

Dozen Wicked Words

The sentiment is excellent, animal welfare is pretty appalling in certain places, but an elected politician, a mayor thinks starting an online petition is action and enough?

So he wants to be seen to be doing something, when he won't actually do anything at all. Nothing will change.

Keeps him out of mischief while he waits on the death notices to see which funeral to visit next.

yosser hughes

kikel wrote: »

Andrew McGuinness speaks a lot of tripe. He will back anything that he feels is popular. Seen it before, the man is of little substance.

Four generations of the McGuinness family have now held the office, with Andrew making it, between them, 15 terms of office.

Isn't that nice. Fianna Faíl politician in populist,meaningless gesture politics? Never! Just like Daddy speaking out of both sides of his mouth when in government.
It's bizarre that any Fianna Faíl candidate gets elected at all. That's democracy for you.

Fwank wizzo

His political party/character/family are irrelevant on this issue.
What's going on with those horses at the Hebron is absolutely horrific and something seriously needs to be done.Ive seen it first hand,the beatings those horses get,and it would turn your stomach.
Saw a young lad of no more that 4/5 years old going to town with a stick on a little pony in McDonald's car park for no reason recently.It would nearly make you sick.
Scum of the earth and I'd only love to see it reversed one day.

Captain Havoc

Fwank wizzo wrote: »

His political party/character/family are irrelevant on this issue.
What's going on with those horses at the Hebron is absolutely horrific and something seriously needs to be done.Ive seen it first hand,the beatings those horses get,and it would turn your stomach.
Saw a young lad of no more that 4/5 years old going to town with a stick on a little pony in McDonald's car park for no reason recently.It would nearly make you sick.
Scum of the earth and I'd only love to see it reversed one day.

I think it's very relevant, setting up an online petition isn't being proactive, online petitions aren't worth the piece of paper their written on. What is being done to those horses is wrong but what are you doing to put it right?

Fwank wizzo

What can people do? Call up,tell them I'm a big fan of their culture and so forth and then ask them politely to stop abusing/beating the sh#te out of their animals? You and I know full well what would happen.
Any suggestions yourself,Captain?

kikel

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I think it's very relevant, setting up an online petition isn't being proactive, online petitions aren't worth the piece of paper their written on. What is being done to those horses is wrong but what are you doing to put it right?

Agreed petitions are a joke. The campaign to complete the ring road had one of 10K people and McGuinness ignored it. Yes, we came out asking for a review but he knew the contract was been signed. The guy is a total waste of space.


With regard the cruelty to horses, yes something needs to be done asap.

kikel

Fwank wizzo wrote: »

What can people do? Call up,tell them I'm a big fan of their culture and so forth and then ask them politely to stop abusing/beating the sh#te out of their animals? You and I know full well what would happen.
Any suggestions yourself,Captain?

Education is the only way, how you educate them on the care of horses is another matter. It's a difficult one to implement.

hi5

Wasn't some of the money the council got from selling the site to McDonalds to go towards stables for the travellers horses

Captain Havoc

Fwank wizzo wrote: »

What can people do? Call up,tell them I'm a big fan of their culture and so forth and then ask them politely to stop abusing/beating the sh#te out of their animals? You and I know full well what would happen.
Any suggestions yourself,Captain?

I have no suggestions but I won't be pretending to do anything either. I think if I saw one being mistreated I'd call the gardaí as I probably wouldn't feel secure approaching a number of equine enthusiasts encouraging their horse.

Dozen Wicked Words

The lack of RSPCA or similar, with the powers it has to confiscate, prosecute and generally police animal welfare means, imo, this country is light years behind the UK when it comes to Animal Welfare.

If the best elected officials can do is start an online petition, I don't see the situation improving any time soon.

yosser hughes

Fwank wizzo wrote: »

His political party/character/family are irrelevant on this issue.
What's going on with those horses at the Hebron is absolutely horrific and something seriously needs to be done.Ive seen it first hand,the beatings those horses get,and it would turn your stomach.
Saw a young lad of no more that 4/5 years old going to town with a stick on a little pony in McDonald's car park for no reason recently.It would nearly make you sick.
Scum of the earth and I'd only love to see it reversed one day.

oh it is very relevant. how long has the issue in hebron being going on? He, his family and his party have been elected long enough.
As has been pointed out, what he's doing here is window dressing. seeing what way the wind blows and go with that. That's classic FF stuff.

Fwank wizzo

kikel wrote: »

Education is the only way, how you educate them on the care of horses is another matter. It's a difficult one to implement.

Pardon the pun,but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Captain Havoc

yosser hughes wrote: »

oh it is very relevant. how long has the issue in hebron being going on? He, his family and his party have been elected long enough.
As has been pointed out, what he's doing here is window dressing. seeing what way the wind blows and go with that. That's classic FF stuff.

I really don't think it's an FF thing, politicians are politicians.

Fwank wizzo

Why can't the ISPCA just take them off them? Fear?

yosser hughes

brianblaze wrote: »

He's put up a petition in relation to the disgraceful treatment of horses in certain parts of Kilkenny....

https://www.change.org/p/irish-government-kilkenny-county-council-kilkenny-gardai-zero-tolerance-towards-cruelty-to-horses-in-kilkenny/share?just_signed=true

Be warned, there's a fairly horrid picture at that link of the horse that was illed last week.

Why doesn't he just enforce the law? Call the gardai? He is the mayor after all. Putting up a petition is laughable.It's actually an insult.

Cabaal

Fwank wizzo wrote: »

Why can't the ISPCA just take them off them? Fear?

Lack of power,
Which is due to the failure of numerous party's over the decades.

The very fact that I could for example walk into a field full of say 500 puppys and cut them to bits and the worst I'd get is a fine and might be told I can't own puppys again.

Says it all really,

Animal welfare just isn't' a big vote spinner for any party and they know this,

The petition in this instance is completely meaningless and is about as useful as if he just wrote "we should do something about it!!!!!" on a post it note which he then he sticks it on a pole in high street.

Pointless stuff, just making himself look like he's doing something...nothing more.

yosser hughes

OP, do you still think Andrew McGuinness is a great fella? How long has this been an issue and how long have him, his da and his gradaddy been elected?
Give me a ****ing break/

Benny Cake

yosser hughes wrote: »

OP, do you still think Andrew McGuinness is a great fella? How long has this been an issue and how long have him, his da and his gradaddy been elected?
Give me a ****ing break/

+1

Mcguinness jnr. is every bit the Cowboy the auld lad was (and still is)

Threadhead

Some very harsh words about our Mayor on here.

I just think he is the personification of everything that is wrong with our city. Nothing else to add really.

guessing_game

I think he should of dealt with this last year, as he was on the traveller committee, and the year before that it was Joe Malone, sometimes I feel he's just pointing the finger at someone else.

G_G

Deathwish4

guessing_game wrote: »

and the year before that it was Joe Malone

:rolleyes: Lord help us

kikel

guessing_game wrote: »

I think he should of dealt with this last year, as he was on the traveller committee, and the year before that it was Joe Malone, sometimes I feel he's just pointing the finger at someone else.

G_G

LOL, Now that just shows what a gobsh1te Andrew McGuinness is. He has all the contacts to actually do something about this and all he can do is create a online petition. He is a useless waste of space.

Bowlardo

He's an embarassment.
Gareth brooks issue. "i'm going to try and bring him to nolan park!"
€90,000 of expense - went on Holidays for three weeks and no one heard a word from him for the next three months.
CAS - The biggest issue in kilkenny in the last 30 years and nowhere to be seen by any of the protestors. Then pops his head up for a "review" to get a few photos. "sure it look great in the paper and on my facebook"
Horse Cruelty - provides no solution to a problem. Sets up a on line petition after 8 months!!! Gets some facebook likes. Ask his daddy to mention it in the dail.
Tragic car accident - His two cents for this was to build mini walls around any new council built house!!!

1984baby

God he is such a waste of space. I can not believe he always tops the election.
Always in the paper for things but just like this useless online petition, he never delivers any real results.

Wimbago

How did they manage to ruin turning on the lights I'll never know. Another photo opportunity for sure but the mc's only advice for xmas being to 'spend loads of money' surely merited him saying a few words to make the whole lot less cringeworthy.

Threadhead

Wimbago wrote: »

How did they manage to ruin turning on the lights I'll never know. Another photo opportunity for sure but the mc's only advice for xmas being to 'spend loads of money' surely merited him saying a few words to make the whole lot less cringeworthy.

How did they ruin it? What happened?

Doff

Post anything debatable on one of his facebook statuses and watch as he blatantly ignores it and lets his bumbrigade fight his corner.

kikel

up for anything

Him and his online petition. He didn't think much of the Anti-CAS petition. He turned his coat so many times he wore it out over that issue.

As for the traveller horses, while I was at Greens Bridge during the the summer I saw one of the other protestors, probably about 65 years of age, walking over the bridge when suddenly she broke into a run, flew across the rest of the bridge and down the grass to where there were two adults and a couple of kids swimming a pony, up on his back and using a stick across the pony's head. She had words with them and they stopped mistreating the animal, at least for that occasion. I was told it wasn't the first time and wouldn't be the last time she'd done that. Fair play to her. At least she took action.

Doff

I heard our mayor is setting up a petition to get something done about the homeless, what an admirable man.

Bowlardo

what word best describes our mayor?
tulip
Sap
gob ****e
yoghurt
pleb

Doff

Bowlardo wrote: »

what word best describes our mayor?
tulip
Sap
gob ****e
yoghurt
pleb

Ah now that's not very nice, he works an awful lot of overtime apparently!

Threadhead

And credit where it's due, he's very good at switching things on and off. For example, Christmas lights, security cameras, etc...

kikel

He's also good at marching against the water charges. It was a much better idea to go marching than actually turning up to his council meeting and voting against the charges.

Schindlers Pissed

That treatment of horses and animals in general boils my fooking blood!!!!

road_high

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

I wonder does Andrew walk down the Canal often...

Nah his BMW Coupe wouldn't fit down there

kikel

I hear he is now going to run for the Fianna Fáil nomination.

If he ever did get to Dáil Éireann I think they'd just laugh at him up there.

Realt Dearg Sec

kikel wrote: »

I hear he is now going to run for the Fianna Fáil nomination.

If he ever did get to Dáil Éireann I think they'd just laugh at him up there.

I think he'd fit right in.

kikel

Nah he's a special type of special.

Schindlers Pissed

kikel wrote: »

I hear he is now going to run for the Fianna Fáil nomination.

If he ever did get to Dáil Éireann I think they'd just laugh at him up there.

The first part, does that surprise you? He's been groomed for this ever since he was in nappies.....it's irish parish pump politics at its best......"sure didn't his Da get me a medical card".....

The second part, probably true but it's an old boys club so he'll be taken under the cronies wing and morphed into one of their own.