belgian bluexbritish freisan

gregs25

What are yer views on belgin bluex british freisan heifers. Would they be good for suckling and are they ok to calve. What kind of bull would you give them 1st time round.Yer views would b much appreciated

Mad4simmental

gregs25 wrote: »

What are yer views on belgin bluex british freisan heifers. Would they be good for suckling and are they ok to calve. What kind of bull would you give them 1st time round.Yer views would b much appreciated

Often seen a few very nice ones that I wouldn't mind trying myself. Don't go for the very musseley ones. If you can get them with plenty of milk and a nice big square rear with loads of room to calve.

Defenetly sumthing easy calved first time like a well proven easy calved lim or blonde. Just an extra eye on calving time as sum bb and fr can be lazy calvers.

limo_100

gregs25 wrote: »

What are yer views on belgin bluex british freisan heifers. Would they be good for suckling and are they ok to calve. What kind of bull would you give them 1st time round.Yer views would b much appreciated

Havn't had one in years cant remember what they were like, but i bought a blue calf last spring and she made a real good heifer not extreme muscle but well covered and broad aswell shes off DBZ. I bulled her there last weekend i put her incalf to OZS and i thing shes gonna make a great cow (but i say that bout them all :cool:)

bogman_bass

most of my herd are BBxFR or offspring of same. Go with the easiest calving Lim you can get for the first year and you're laughing.
Great milk and lovely temprement

If buying heifers look for width in the pins because that's their weak point

gregs25

bogman_bass wrote: »

most of my herd are BBxFR or offspring of same. Go with the easiest calving Lim you can get for the first year and you're laughing.
Great milk and lovely temprement

If buying heifers look for width in the pins because that's their weak point

Ok sound bogman...will do that i think.. also iv bn offered blue heifers outa limousin cows. Tnk these cud b bit harder to calve. What u think??

onyerbikepat

bogman_bass wrote: »

most of my herd are BBxFR or offspring of same. Go with the easiest calving Lim you can get for the first year and you're laughing.
Great milk and lovely temprement

If buying heifers look for width in the pins because that's their weak point

They must have lovely temperament alright. Would you stay with an average type limousin or would you push things a bit , say a Charolais?

Miname

onyerbikepat wrote: »

They must have lovely temperament alright. Would you stay with an average type limousin or would you push things a bit , say a Charolais?

The charlaois don't give that great of a cross on those type of cows imo. Limo or blonde throws a real fancy sort of calf all the time with them.

Mad4simmental

gregs25 wrote: »

Ok sound bogman...will do that i think.. also iv bn offered blue heifers outa limousin cows. Tnk these cud b bit harder to calve. What u think??

A bit to far with the mussel for cows IMO and lack of milk too.

Kovu

Miname wrote: »

The charlaois don't give that great of a cross on those type of cows imo. Limo or blonde throws a real fancy sort of calf all the time with them.

+1 on this. Ch on a blue cow throws a lot of mousey calves. Very hard to gauge ch bulls on blues as they can end up coming with bone and muscle so hard to get out of the cow!
Lim bull or even parthenaise would bring a stylish dark haired calf.

bogman_bass

onyerbikepat wrote: »

They must have lovely temperament alright. Would you stay with an average type limousin or would you push things a bit , say a Charolais?

We go mostly limo. Remember that genetically, the cow is bringing plrnty of muscle to the table so you dont need to go heavy muscle yourself.

Limos usually come gray/blue
Parth come blue/white or brown. Savage cattle but would wait untill 3rd calf personally

Herefords are actually a nice cross on them if you are looking for replacements or finishing the offspring yourself.

I wouldnt let a Charolais near the place. All bone. Muscle will give at calving bone wont

Tyson Lannister

bogman_bass wrote: »

We go mostly limo. Remember that genetically, the cow is bringing plrnty of muscle to the table so you dont need to go heavy muscle yourself.

Limos usually come gray/blue
Parth come blue/white or brown. Savage cattle but would wait untill 3rd calf personally

Herefords are actually a nice cross on them if you are looking for replacements or finishing the offspring yourself.

I wouldnt let a Charolais near the place. All bone. Muscle will give at calving bone wont

Lads I'd be going the other way if possible - parthenaise x cattle for a blue bull...

tismesoitis

+1 on that tyson. Great cows and serious calves by the blue bull!!

Kovu

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Lads I'd be going the other way if possible - parthenaise x cattle for a blue bull...

Why? Not being critical or anything, just would love to hear the reasons behind your thinking.
No exp of parth here but am debating bringing it in.

Miname

Kovu wrote: »

Why? Not being critical or anything, just would love to hear the reasons behind your thinking.
No exp of parth here but am debating bringing it in.

Leg wax is your man and coincidentally hes a few nice ones for sale .

Mad4simmental

Kovu wrote: »

Why? Not being critical or anything, just would love to hear the reasons behind your thinking.
No exp of parth here but am debating bringing it in.

+1 no milk and to much muscle. Everyone's opinion is different I suppose. A good black white head can flog out a really good blue calf with loads of milk.

tismesoitis

Mad4simmental wrote: »

+1 no milk and to much muscle. Everyone's opinion is different I suppose. A good black white head can flog out a really good blue calf with loads of milk.

Imo Mad your very wrong there a black white head will not consistentantly throw a quality blue calf. To get the real good blues you need lim part or Blonde cows. We would never even put a blue on a sim because they just don't do the biz either!!

Miname

Mad4simmental wrote: »

+1 no milk and to much muscle. Everyone's opinion is different I suppose. A good black white head can flog out a really good blue calf with loads of milk.

id have to disagree, if your going for a blue i reckon its full duck or no dinner, nobody wants a good blue but everyone wants the great ones, its too easy with that cross to throw a mediocre one. if its blue your going for it needs that little extra punch and while the milks important the muscle can far outweigh it. ive tried a few blues and have seen that while ive good cows most arent suitable to throw export grade calves consistently so ive resigned myself to charlaois where ill get some export grade and still have a good store market for whats left.

Mad4simmental

tismesoitis wrote: »

Imo Mad your very wrong there a black white head will not consistentantly throw a quality blue calf. To get the real good blues you need lim part or Blonde cows. We would never even put a blue on a sim because they just don't do the biz either!!

Fully agree with you they won't throw an export calf but a good one. Where as the lim or blonde will throw out an export calf. Sim only cross wit ch or blonde to produce the best out of them otherwise it's sim on sim.

Mad4simmental

Miname wrote: »

id have to disagree, if your going for a blue i reckon its full duck or no dinner, nobody wants a good blue but everyone wants the great ones, its too easy with that cross to throw a mediocre one. if its blue your going for it needs that little extra punch and while the milks important the muscle can far outweigh it. ive tried a few blues and have seen that while ive good cows most arent suitable to throw export grade calves consistently so ive resigned myself to charlaois where ill get some export grade and still have a good store market for whats left.

True but be carefull on how far down the muscle rought you go on a cow to. There's no money in side exits no matter how good the calf is.

Kovu

I'm going to stick myself right in the middle of ye two.

I've had an unfortunate entry to blue cows, one cow & two sections in three years.

But I'd be interested in others take on

'We would never even put a blue on a sim'

by tismesoitis as I would be the same.

I try to keep cows as LM as possible when not ped.

blue5000

When I had them bbxfr I used always use angus bull, lovely bluegrey cattle after them.

Tyson Lannister

Kovu wrote: »

Why? Not being critical or anything, just would love to hear the reasons behind your thinking.
No exp of parth here but am debating bringing it in.

I have AAxbrfr, LMxbrfr, PIxbrfr, Hexbrfr, BBxbrfr, chxAA and pedigree part. My thought are this- bbxbrfr bring muscle but also but bring possible calving problems to the mix. Part bring muscle to the mix but also a wide pelvis and excellent calving ability.

Ye might have noticed the part cow with blue calf at the BB stand at the ploughing - I asked them about it - reason stated was muscle with no side exits. if the BB men are saying it about another breed there is a reason.

I would like to get part heifers off my present cows for a blue or part bull.
Anyway that's my reasoning - be it right or wrong! Also imo saying part have no milk is incorrect.

greysides

Is the 'best' cross the same whether you're selling a weanling, store or finishing?

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

Is the 'best' cross the same whether you're selling a weanling, store or finishing?

I would imagine no if you were finishing as a bullock or store heifer ud be better off crossing them with Charolais every day of the week

Farrell

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I have AAxbrfr, LMxbrfr, PIxbrfr, Hexbrfr, BBxbrfr, chxAA and pedigree part. My thought are this- bbxbrfr bring muscle but also but bring possible calving problems to the mix. Part bring muscle to the mix but also a wide pelvis and excellent calving ability.

Ye might have noticed the part cow with blue calf at the BB stand at the ploughing - I asked them about it - reason stated was muscle with no side exits. if the BB men are saying it about another breed there is a reason.

I would like to get part heifers off my present cows for a blue or part bull.
Anyway that's my reasoning - be it right or wrong! Also imo saying part have no milk is incorrect.

Tyson, did you ever use SNX, looks the part (exclude pun), & recommend for daughters to be suckler cows

Tyson Lannister

Farrell wrote: »

Tyson, did you ever use SNX, looks the part (exclude pun), & recommend for daughters to be suckler cows

Use anything else besides him!!!!

bogman_bass

If ever there was proof that you shouldn't judge a bull by how he look, then it's him!

Genghis Cant

bogman_bass wrote: »

If ever there was proof that you shouldn't judge a bull by how he look, then it's him!

I hear he produces tall plain narrow cattle.

bogman_bass

He produces ****e is what he does. But if you look at the picture in the catalogue he is a very impressive looking bull.

Tyson Lannister

bogman_bass wrote: »

He produces ****e is what he does. But if you look at the picture in the catalogue he is a very impressive looking bull.

I agree, I have seen calves of his off top class cows and they were of very poor quality.

towzer2010

bogman_bass wrote: »

He produces ****e is what he does. But if you look at the picture in the catalogue he is a very impressive looking bull.

Bogman have you used ZGH the new bull from PG? He looks good and I was thinking of using him on a few but as you just said looks ain't everything.

Tyson Lannister

towzer2010 wrote: »

Bogman have you used ZGH the new bull from PG? He looks good and I was thinking of using him on a few but as you just said looks ain't everything.

Be interested in this myself. Got 6 straws just because he looks good...

Genghis Cant

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Be interested in this myself. Got 6 straws just because he looks good...

SNX looks good too :-)

Tyson Lannister

Genghis Cant wrote: »

SNX looks good too :-)

Haha CBQ looks bad n throws great stuff!

tismesoitis

Oh jasus lads now ye all have me worried , have 12 or 13 cows scaned to gonzo...he'd better not be another snx. He does look class and saw some pics of his 1st calves on facebook and they lookin good

tismesoitis

Oh jasus lads now ye all have me worried , have 12 or 13 cows scaned to gonzo...he'd better not be another snx. He does look class and saw some pics of his 1st calves on facebook and they lookin good

tismesoitis

Oh jasus lads now ye all have me worried , have 12 or 13 cows scaned to gonzo...he'd better not be another snx. He does look class and saw some pics of his 1st calves on facebook and they lookin good

Tyson Lannister

tismesoitis wrote: »

Oh jasus lads now ye all have me worried , have 12 or 13 cows scaned to gonzo...he'd better not be another snx. He does look class and saw some pics of his 1st calves on facebook and they lookin good

Ah fek it I wouldn't worry - SNX is the only part bull that's producing pure rubbish. If you ring the association the only bull they'll warn you not to use under any circumstances is SNX so you should be safe enough!
Never used him but Ti Lapin is really producing fancy animals- think you have to get him off the association though.

bogman_bass

towzer2010 wrote: »

Bogman have you used ZGH the new bull from PG? He looks good and I was thinking of using him on a few but as you just said looks ain't everything.

Only have one one calved to him and the cow stepped on him :mad: Thanks for opening up old wounds Towser!

Have another couple due in the spring

Tyson Lannister

Its funny how we're all still interested in new bulls/breeding etc when realistically there's no money out of sucklers - cannon fodder for the factories I sometimes think.
Even though I suppose with these types of cattle we're aiming for export quality...

towzer2010

bogman_bass wrote: »

Only have one one calved to him and the cow stepped on him :mad: Thanks for opening up old wounds Towser!

Have another couple due in the spring

Oh sorry. Know how that feels. Cow broke a calfs back leg on me a few years ago and I had to put it down. She had calved ok and calf sucked and all but when I came back after an hour the calf couldn't stand. That sort of thing is more annoying that a normal loss iykwim.

bogman_bass

Absolutely! It's a hoor to get them out alive only to lose them afterwards

gregs25

What would be the best type of cow to put incalf to parthenaise.

Mad4simmental

gregs25 wrote: »

What would be the best type of cow to put incalf to parthenaise.

Lad near me has allot of lim cows and runs part and bb. I'd nearly say his best calves are from part from his strongest cows. Sum of the calves are unbelievable. He goes by the motto breed big cows and small blocky bulls it Defenetly workes for him.

letterkenny man

Great cows uncle bought to a few years back as calfs to put on to cows and still has them as cow good calfers and always has great calfs