Have we reached a turning point.

CB19Kevo

Seems to me that all the anger over the water charges is a manifestation of all that has been done wrong to this country's people over the years.
Corruption,lies and Lack of infrastructure have all got to the point where people need to express there anger.

Not a bad thing as change needs to happen in this country,I must give credit to FG with the upturn in the economy but along with this i would have hoped to see a professional,accountable dail.

Not the case as things stand,with petty arguments and party divisions blocking sensible debate and positive decisions.

No wonder people feel the need to block ministers and interrupt council meetings,We can only take so much and having elected members of parliament acting like spoiled bullying brats is not what i or i imagine the majority of us want.

Mr. Incognito

Meh.

Theyll all pay it in the end. Same as local property taxes

_asdfghjkl_

Hmmmm, wouldn't this be covered by "**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED**"

PizzamanIRL

_asdfghjkl_ wrote: »

Hmmmm, wouldn't this be covered my "**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED**"

You forgot your MOD tag

MightyMandarin

The problem is there's no respectable alternative to our current Govt. FF still seem quite shady and substance-lacking, SF have non-existent economic policies and there is still that association to the IRA which they can't shake off, the rest of AAA, Socialists etc. are too small and certainly lack credibility after the scenes in Jobstown over the weekend.

As far as I can see there'll be little change come the Election next year. FG wouldn't be my ideal party but I'll vote for them because the alternatives are not nearly as good.

DazMarz

It's like the band on the Titanic; the ship may be sinking, but they're going to play and play until the last moment...

How Soon Is Now

Just wondering have we got our country back yet been hearing it mentioned so much lately was wondering was there any updates??

How Soon Is Now

Sooner the better Christmas comes along and everyone will get bored with this fad running at the moment and move on.

shruikan2553

AliceWay wrote: »

I don't know what all the fuss is about? its only water after all !
good clean safe to drink tap water that's worth paying out for
good clean and safe to drink does not come free.

True, buy it at 50c for 2l. If only we could get water of that quality from the taps instead of what they give us.

policarp

Big Phil Hogan started all this mess
and when the sh!t started to hit
the fan he got himself promoted to
a very well paid job in Europe.

Smiley92a

I'd like to believe something substantial has changed, but I wouldn't get my hopes up yet. Who else is there to vote for? Irish politics seems to require a more drastic fumigation process than a single election can provide, and I've no idea what form that might take. I'd say there's a reasonable chance of winning the Irish Water thing, it really doesn't seem to be going away, and Irish Water don't have anything like the power that Revenue had with the Property Tax. There's also the fact that Revenue, in addition to being more powerful, are actually competent, whereas Irish Water is a massive, ridiculous quango that eats money and ****s scandals.

Beyond that though? Dunno.

Graces7

People need to start thinking about how THEY can improve eg society rather than blaming the govt for every ill.. expecting the govt to do everything...amazes that they can even wipe their own ***** sometimes


I am over 70 now and the greatest change I have seen is the loss of any real community minded thinking. Neighbours not looking out for old ones....family ties losing out to paid "caring" .

Used to be great at this here. And with so many with time and clearly abundant energy on their hands... rather than riot, see if anyone needs shopping done. Build not destroy.

moxin

Graces7 wrote: »

I am over 70 now and the greatest change I have seen is the loss of any real community minded thinking. Neighbours not looking out for old ones....family ties losing out to paid "caring" .

Used to be great at this here. And with so many with time and clearly abundant energy on their hands... rather than riot, see if anyone needs shopping done. Build not destroy.

Too much irony there. You moan at the lack of community being strong yet its capitalism as it worst which is breaking up those bonds. And the pensioners have done well out of the economic crisis, the PAYE workers have not.

Grandpa Hassan

moxin wrote: »

Too much irony there. You moan at the lack of community being strong yet its capitalism as it worst which is breaking up those bonds. And the pensioners have done well out of the economic crisis, the PAYE workers have not.

Absolutely. It annoys me when pensioners bemoan the ills of today's society when they've been continuing to enjoy the cream (plus pensions that the rest of us will never see) while the PAYE world gets screwed

There is a saying that "taxation is like plucking tailfeathers off a live turkey (or some other big dumb bird) which will be agitated and knowing just how many to take before the bird turns and attacks you".

This government has plucked one feather too many.

To Elland Back

I've read a lot of heated Boards threads. PAYE v Public Sector, Pro-Life v Pro- Choice, Employed V those on Welfare, Travellers etc. However, I have never seen anything like the bile and bitterness being heaped on fellow posters as is currently going on in the 'other' thread. It's as if people would beat the crap out of eachother for having an opposing viewpoint.

Streetwalker

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Meh.

Theyll all pay it in the end. Same as local property taxes

If you think that then you haven't got a clue.

Btw this isn't just about the bank debt repayment meters it runs far deeper than that.

Streetwalker

What this whole water charge disaster has done is bring the working classes into caring about politics more than ever before. Where once they wouldn't bother voting when election time came around they now have something to get angry about and get them into the voting booths. In that regard the government has done a great service to the nation as it's vital more people get involved in politics as it's usually the middle and upper classes who make the effort to vote hence we get the same corrupt cronies in office year after year.

Exciting times.

circadian

The government needs to be moderinised, namely with greater transparency of funds going to political parties. It's quite clear that this is a big aspect of corruption within the government.

Another thing is that the country really needs to focus on it's natural resources. Oil prices may be falling at the minute but it will still be hugely expensive to import in the near future.

The list goes on in terms of what is wrong with the government here and with each scandal it becomes more and more obvious.

The main problem with this is, any major shake up in structure will probably leave many people in a very tight spot as the economy changes.

humanji

Water Charges megathread, or Politics Café