GLAS planners

TUBBY

Any one have a listing of glas planners.

only one i see advertising is Padraig O'Neill on Done Deal.

kay 9

Know a planner in Tuam doing glas. Where you based? Pm me of you want details. I thought most reps planners would carry over to glas

TUBBY

kay 9 wrote: »

Know a planner in Tuam doing glas. Where you based? Pm me of you want details. I thought most reps planners would carry over to glas

thanks kay9 but Tuam wud be bit of a spin. I know Vincent Costello prob doing it down that direction. Looking for ballinasloe, Athlone, Longford, mullingar area.

Bodacious

kay 9 wrote: »

Know a planner in Tuam doing glas. Where you based? Pm me of you want details. I thought most reps planners would carry over to glas

im a teagasc client they haven't named a partner company yet have they to do the plans

The Letheram

When do the applications go in?

Kovu

Drumsna be of any use Tubby?

TUBBY

Kovu wrote: »

Drumsna be of any use Tubby?

not a million miles away. Would ya mind pm'ing.

Kovu

PM sent

kay 9

Bodacious wrote: »

im a teagasc client they haven't named a partner company yet have they to do the plans

I don't know much about it in all honesty. The lad in Tuam is actually a family member and I've heard him on about this glas thing the last while. We're in aeos ourselves so glas be next I'm guessing.

kay 9

TUBBY wrote: »

thanks kay9 but Tuam wud be bit of a spin. I know Vincent Costello prob doing it down that direction. Looking for ballinasloe, Athlone, Longford, mullingar area.

No bother tubby, I don't know him, but anyway too much of a trek for you

TITANIUM.

kay 9 wrote: »

We're in aeos ourselves so glas be next I'm guessing.

Do you have to wait till you exit AEOS before you can go into glas?

kay 9

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Do you have to wait till you exit AEOS before you can go into glas?

I don't know mate but I would think so. However, good question. Maybe someone on here knows. I'll ask when I'm talking to our lad again

Bullocks

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Do you have to wait till you exit AEOS before you can go into glas?

At the time it was coming out I think they said you could switch from aeos to glas if you wanted but I dont know if thats still the case .
I would check carefully if it will be worthwhile swopping aswell

dh1985

Has anyone looked into glas. Is it worth joining. We were in reps until a couple of years back didnt join aeos as thought it was not worth the hassle. Looked briefly at glas but as we have a lot of land surrounded by a river thought that the river may be required to be fenced. Fenced as it is but from what I understood it would have to be fenced back 10m if o recall properly. Wouldnt fancy this as it would take up too much ground. Has anyone any knowledge on this matter. Might chat the teagasc advisor for his thoughts

kay 9

dh1985 wrote: »

Has anyone looked into glas. Is it worth joining. We were in reps until a couple of years back didnt join aeos as thought it was not worth the hassle. Looked briefly at glas but as we have a lot of land surrounded by a river thought that the river may be required to be fenced. Fenced as it is but from what I understood it would have to be fenced back 10m if o recall properly. Wouldnt fancy this as it would take up too much ground. Has anyone any knowledge on this matter. Might chat the teagasc advisor for his thoughts

10m?! My god, that's a hell of alot. There must be a download on the parameters etc for this glas. Must try get a booklet or Smth of our fella

Kovu

TIER 1 Priority Environmental Actions
These priority actions aim to address the cross-cutting objectives of climate change, water quality and
biodiversity within GLAS.
If any of these action(s) are applicable to your holding, you must choose them and as a result you will
receive priority access to GLAS:

• Farmland Habitat Conservation (Natura sites e.g. freshwater pearl mussel)
• Conservation of Bird Species (e.g. Twite, Curlew, Corncrake, Grey Partridge)
• Uplands Conservation (for commonages only)
• Fencing of all watercourses on your holding where the field is in grass
  
• Buffer Zones along all watercourses on your holding where the field in tillage

It doesn't specify the 'buffer zone' from what I can see so perhaps not 10m. It starts at page 8 here
Not a lot about it online to be found apart from that!

dh1985

Kovu wrote: »

It doesn't specify the 'buffer zone' from what I can see so perhaps not 10m. It starts at page 8 here
Not a lot about it online to be found apart from that!

Thanks for that. What I gather from that is watercourses just have to be fenced if in grassland. There fenced already so that would be grand if that was all that was required to satisfy that criteria. Certainly dont want entering into something and then to be caught with some ridiculous proposals during the scheme. Will have to do some homework

Connemara Farmer

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Do you have to wait till you exit AEOS before you can go into glas?

No.

You'd want to make sure that jumping from AEOS into GLAS won't cost you money though.

Next bit is for hill/commonage farmers.

We had our AGM last night and one of the things that cropped up was for a hill farmer with 30ha the GLAS payment would only be around €3k, not €5k which some people are saying it will be. Say if you entered into AEOS in the past couple of years you already had to pay your AEOS planner, now as it stands you'll have to pay for a master plan on a commonage and a planner to feed into that plan.

Also............. if that weren't enough. Once a GLAS master plan is started on a commonage by SOME farmers, if another farmer decides to finish out his AEOS plan and join GLAS at a later date, then that farmer may only get two or three years in GLAS as it's a FIXED five year term. ALSO (it gets fun in the details doesn't it) there is NO regulation there to say how much this new farmer has to pay to rejig the master plan to join the existing GLAS scheme.

And on GLAS+ you'd need the full 42ha for get the full €2k payment. For a commonage farmer to get into GLAS+ the only other measure they can take along with commonages is to have "rare breeds" with the dirty small print that that farmer must have been a member of that rare breed society for the previous two years already.

So it's nigh on impossible for a commonage/hill farmer to draw down GLAS+ as it stands.

Charcoal Gypsy

Hi Kovu.
You must have land in a 'High Status Water' area to be in Tier 1

The full Tier 1 list is as follows:
Private Natura land.
Commonage.
Farmland Birds.
High Status Water.
Rare Breeds

In addition, organic farmers get priority access to Glas.
Grassland farmers stocked above 140 kg N/Ha or tillage farmers with >30 ha will be in Tier 1 if they adopt one of the following:
Low Emission Slurry Spreading.
Min Till
Green Cover establishment from a sown crop
Wild Bird Cover.

I'll be doing Glas Plans in Munster if anyone is interested.

Muckit

Low emission slurry spreading. Is this slurry injection? What about dribble bar?

Most contractors round here only have splash plate. I suppose they'll have to upgrade.

Connemara Farmer

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Do you have to wait till you exit AEOS before you can go into glas?

Heard something different from my previous answer. You may have to wait if you are on lowland. On commonage, no wait. That was done to give these "master plans" a chance to be developed before the initial tranche of applicants was accepted.

Charcoal Gypsy

Low Emission Slurry spreading under GLAS covers the following:
(a) Band Spreading
(b) Injection Systems
(c) Trailing Shoe

Traditional splash plate is not allowed under this measure.

DAFM say grants will be available under TAMS 2 for low emission slurry spreaders

Username John

Charcoal Gypsy wrote: »

Hi Kovu.
You must have land in a 'High Status Water' area to be in Tier 1

The full Tier 1 list is as follows:
Private Natura land.
Commonage.
Farmland Birds.
High Status Water.
Rare Breeds

In addition, organic farmers get priority access to Glas.
Grassland farmers stocked above 140 kg N/Ha or tillage farmers with >30 ha will be in Tier 1 if they adopt one of the following:
Low Emission Slurry Spreading.
Min Till
Green Cover establishment from a sown crop
Wild Bird Cover.

I'll be doing Glas Plans in Munster if anyone is interested.

Where in Munster you based?

PM me if you like.

Charcoal Gypsy

Clonakilty/West Cork

ganmo

I wonder will there be much to the glas application, we're teagasc clients and it looks like they won't be doin glas applications.

What is high status water?

reps4

ganmo wrote: »

I wonder will there be much to the glas application, we're teagasc clients and it looks like they won't be doin glas applications.

What is high status water?

Also with q above,what defines private natura land. Is sac land under this banner.

Charcoal Gypsy

reps4 wrote: »

Also with q above,what defines private natura land. Is sac land under this banner.

SAC land will come under the private Natura definition and will qualify for €79/Ha or if the SAC area is 'Low Input Permanent Pasture' it could make €314/Ha for up to 10 ha.

Regarding High status rivers, there's a link to the EPA website in the GLAS section of DAFM's home page. Follow this link and you can zoom in to your own area and see if there are any rivers marked red on the map.

Your land has to be bounding a high status river to qualify under Tier 1 in GLAS

Just a cautionary note: GLAS is not yet approved in Brussels but DAFM do expect this to happen shortly.
Applications will have to be done online by a Dept-Approved planner and if it gets the green light before the end of the year, it should open in January but will close by 30/4/15. A 2nd application period will probably open next autumn for 2016 start-ups.

Username John

Bought the journal today, as someone mentioned there was additional GLAS info in it...

Waste of 2.80 - as it just seems to be this table

Anyways, maybe this question can be answered by the people already in AEOS, as I think there is a similar measure there - for Wild bird cover - I assume the ground devoted to this, is still classed as eligible land in terms of SFP?

Tyson Lannister

Lads can your teagasc advisor do your GLAS plan application etc?

ganmo

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Lads can your teagasc advisor do your GLAS plan application etc?

they'll outsource it to frs

http://www.teagasc.ie/news/2014/201412-03.asp

cormywormy

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Lads can your teagasc advisor do your GLAS plan application etc?

it depends if they have the glas training done. Alot of them would have done in it the past training sessions held by the department . Otherwise planners from frs will be stationed in teagasc offices to carry out glas plans.

I did the training to become an accredited glas planner and it seems it will be a very worthwhile scehem especially if you can get in on tier one. Or if you have an area of listed wild birds. Areas of conservation, that's where the money is .

iro

you all must be aware of the crazy prices planners are looking for to draw up commonage plans. There are cases in the west where you may have 30/40 shares in one commonage and planners are charging 300+ per share, or trying to
Did the dept ly down any guide lines on prices?
Where did the planners come up with these prices?
THE FOUR COURTS????