Multiple teams discussion thread

FHFC

I realise we are away off topic again but anyway. ...the problem with people managing multiple teams as I see it is this.

Say I set up 4 teams at the start, one of my sets of preseason guesses hits the ground running and gets off to a flyer before I abandon the other three. I've entered one into each of 4 pay leagues with good prizes, and all of them in the big free leagues.

Is this fair? What if I did this and won the thing overall?

I'd say it's not only unfair but pointless in terms of the challenge or skills of playing the game. Like playing Championship Manager back in the day but saving before every match and switching the pc off if you got beat. Sure you could win the Champions League with Rotherham doing that, but what's the point??

Not everyone who has more than one normal team is doing this obviously, but that's why there has to be a black and white rule imo.

ArmaniJeanss

FHFC wrote: »

I realise we are away off topic again but anyway. ...the problem with people managing multiple teams as I see it is this.

Say I set up 4 teams at the start, one of my sets of preseason guesses hits the ground running and gets off to a flyer before I abandon the other three. I've entered one into each of 4 pay leagues with good prizes, and all of them in the big free leagues.

Is this fair? What if I did this and won the thing overall?

I've no issues with you entering teams in pay leagues and abandoning after a week or two. I'm always delighted to be in pay leagues where people give up.
(As an aside it does show why teams in pay leagues have to be entered before GW1, with a kick in the gee to anyone who tries 'oh I forget to enter, pleases can I put in my 97 pt dreamteam').

Does it matter for free leagues either - as long as FHFC only has one team in that particular league then why should it bother me that he has a different team in his league with his mates?
Definitely a no-no if you've entered all your teams in the same free league.

Overall league. Genuinely no idea what the prizes are as it'll never be an issue for me, though think the prizes are fairly token? Would be happy if they if checked the winners for multiteaming at the end and withheld any prizes.

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To come clean, I've previously had different teams in specialist leagues, e.g., no subs/transfers leagues, draft leagues, and a 'must have 3 irish players' league. Also a team which I softplayed against relatives who I otherwise would have beaten easily. And don't see any of it as an isssue.

jimmii

Its against the rules and therefore shouldn't be done. Not so long ago a player who was 5th at the time had a team deleted so they do look into it. It was picked up in ffs when a team disappeared one night.

Lemlin

I only ever enter one team for myself. That's why I didn't enter comps on here that require an additional team over the years.

That said, I regularly look after three or four teams. For example, my sister in law has me running a team for her in her work league. It's under her name of course but she doesn't watch much football.

I'm also running a team for my cousin for his local pub's league. We'll split any winnings 50/50. Already very confident of winning it actually - well ahead of the pack even at this early stage.

iroced

I'll just post here what I wrote on the thread we all seem to struggle to keep on tracks :pac:.

8-10 wrote: »

Nobody should have. 1 FPL team, and 1 Ultimate team should be enough. I don't think this forum should condone otherwise unless they relax the rule. If you go to the Help section on the official website it's literally the first question on there. In the interest of fair play everybody is allowed 1 team, but this 1 team can be used in multiple leagues.

Price rises are just 1 of the reasons for this being unfair

Rules are the rules OK. But I only see one case of it being unfair. If someone has several teams in a private league. I don't see how any other scenario can be unfair.

As for price changes, I doubt this has any impact at all. I mean you'd need dozens (or even hundreds) of teams and making transfers for each one of them (which I doubt anyone does anyway) to have a real impact on a given player's price change.

jimmii wrote: »

Its against the rules and therefore shouldn't be done. Not so long ago a player who was 5th at the time had a team deleted so they do look into it. It was picked up in ffs when a team disappeared one night.

How did they do though? Checking IPs? Jeez... Back in college my PhD mate and myself were sometimes sharing our computer. I'm actually sharing my laptops with my missus now... Shall I be careful :pac:?

As for managing several teams. I used to start a second team from GW11 onwards (since I started my first year playing the game at GW11) just for comparing my final GW11 rankings. I've given that up. Too much hassle. Managing one team seriously is enough of a "pain" :pac: so I just used to end up getting the same team than my regular one which was pointless.

Overall, I don't see the point in entering several teams to play the regular game. About its fairness, well as I said previously, as long as you don't have several teams in the same private league, I don't see how it can be unfair. To me it's just useless. And you're certainly not becoming good at the game because you have several teams.
But I don't see the problem with playing a different game with a different team (e.g. ArmaniJeanss examples). I understand it's against the rules but you could argue that it doesn't really impact the main game since you don't really play the main game (it just very marginally influences the price changes since there are more teams overall and some players get a little bit more selected but if we go down that road, then all the casuals who stop playing after GW3 are also making the game unfair e.g. Sturridge's price stayed high up during his long injury making him now a very expensive prospect for "serious" players).

Ace2007

Lemlin wrote: »

I only ever enter one team for myself. That's why I didn't enter comps on here that require an additional team over the years.

That said, I regularly look after three or four teams. For example, my sister in law has me running a team for her in her work league. It's under her name of course but she doesn't watch much football.

I'm also running a team for my cousin for his local pub's league. We'll split any winnings 50/50. Already very confident of winning it actually - well ahead of the pack even at this early stage.

If i was in that pub league and found out that someone was getting their "cousin" to manage the team, i wouldn't be too happy at all. I think your "cousin" should be coming clean to others in the league at the offset and if they are happy then and only then should you being doing this.

Do i have a second team - yes but it's in a league where by no transfers are allowed - only captain choice - many other users on here are in the same league too. I don't actually see the harm in this at all - i'm clearly never going to be winning anything in terms of yearly/monthly awards.

Imo there is more wrong with using online sites to gain advantage as to when a player is going to go up/down in value - in previous years it was pretty much spot on as they "cracked the code" - this despite the rules saying the formula/factors will not be released to players.

Lemlin

Ace2007 wrote: »

If i was in that pub league and found out that someone was getting their "cousin" to manage the team, i wouldn't be too happy at all. I think your "cousin" should be coming clean to others in the league at the offset and if they are happy then and only then should you being doing this.

And where is it against the rules to get someone to run your team? Or how is it giving someone an extra advantage? We're all starting from the same GW with 100 mil and same rules.

I help our work social club run the FPL League and we actively encourage girls not interested in soccer to get their husbands/boyfriends/kids to run teams for them. The more the merrier. Manager of the Month just went to a woman who had her 17 year old running her team.

As for my cousin declaring it to the whole pub, he's not an alcoholic, he drinks there on a Friday night and it's a large urban pub. I'd say he doesn't even know 50% of the people in the league and the owner is aware he's getting help. He gets a free pint every week his team tops the weekly rankings!

CSF

Ace2007 wrote: »

If i was in that pub league and found out that someone was getting their "cousin" to manage the team, i wouldn't be too happy at all. I think your "cousin" should be coming clean to others in the league at the offset and if they are happy then and only then should you being doing this.

Do i have a second team - yes but it's in a league where by no transfers are allowed - only captain choice - many other users on here are in the same league too. I don't actually see the harm in this at all - i'm clearly never going to be winning anything in terms of yearly/monthly awards.

Imo there is more wrong with using online sites to gain advantage as to when a player is going to go up/down in value - in previous years it was pretty much spot on as they "cracked the code" - this despite the rules saying the formula/factors will not be released to players.

It's not against the rules to look at sites that show what players are going up or down on any given night, so I don't know where you're even beginning to go with that.

Ace2007

Lemlin wrote: »

And where is it against the rules to get someone to run your team? Or how is it giving someone an extra advantage? We're all starting from the same GW with 100 mil and same rules.

I help our work social club run the FPL League and we actively encourage girls not interested in soccer to get their husbands/boyfriends/kids to run teams for them. The more the merrier. Manager of the Month just went to a woman who had her 17 year old running her team.

As for my cousin declaring it to the whole pub, he's not an alcoholic, he drinks there on a Friday night and it's a large urban pub. I'd say he doesn't even know 50% of the people in the league and the owner is aware he's getting help. He gets a free pint every week his team tops the weekly rankings!

Just because it's not in the rules, doesn't mean it's right, that you can enter a league in the disguise of someone else. I was ask to do this once - my friend was in top 2000, two years running - instead of entering my leagues just go with his team and probably win a fortune.

Question - Being honest - how many people would be happy if instead of me entering a leagues where i have bets with people, entered under my friend, and then proceeded to win all leagues/hu matches etc?? - I'd say most would not be happy and may say it was unfair

CSF wrote: »

It's not against the rules to look at sites that show what players are going up or down on any given night, so I don't know where you're even beginning to go with that.

The rules state that the factors/formula will not be disclosed, therefore if a site cracks the code they use and publish is and others like on here follow it, where as the general public playing the game don't know about it - that's sorta an unfair advantage.

CSF

It's pretty commonly disclosed, if you put any research into the game, youd know about it, not everyone wishes to put that much time into it though.

FHFC

Yis are all a mad as so many buckets of frogs!!. Managing one team has pretty much taken over my life this past year or so, how the hell does one retain any sort of sanity looking after/advising/managing other teams!?!

Lemlin

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just because it's not in the rules, doesn't mean it's right, that you can enter a league in the disguise of someone else. I was ask to do this once - my friend was in top 2000, two years running - instead of entering my leagues just go with his team and probably win a fortune.

Question - Being honest - how many people would be happy if instead of me entering a leagues where i have bets with people, entered under my friend, and then proceeded to win all leagues/hu matches etc?? - I'd say most would not be happy and may say it was unfair

For a start, you are misrepresenting what I said. I'm not entering leagues in the disguise of anyone. These people are entering leagues and asking me to run their team.

Also, these aren't leagues involving bets, I wouldn't get involved otherwise. These are corporate leagues. Neither of these leagues even has an entry fee.

I'm also not infallible. I didn't even win my own work league last year. I came second by seven points to a lad who had never finished inside the top 50k and who is back to his usual performance level it appears this season.

I'm surprised you're using this forum if you feel that strictly on fairness. Is it not giving you an unfair advantage over others like crack the code sites do? Of course it isn't but the level of effort people want to put in is in their own hands.

I'm not doing anything for these people that I don't do for users on here. Any poster could mirror my team and I'm fairly sure some do because I often get pms off people asking me about my next transfer and planned transfers when I didn't post same over the seasons or was banned.

CSF

Lemlin wrote: »

For a start, you are misrepresenting what I said. I'm not entering leagues in the disguise of anyone. These people are entering leagues and asking me to run their team.

Also, these aren't leagues involving bets, I wouldn't get involved otherwise. These are corporate leagues. Neither of these leagues even has an entry fee.

I'm also not infallible. I didn't even win my own work league last year. I came second by seven points to a lad who had never finished inside the top 50k and who is back to his usual performance level it appears this season.

I'm surprised you're using this forum if you feel that strictly on fairness. Is it not giving you an unfair advantage over others like crack the code sites do? Of course it isn't but the level of effort people want to put in is in their own hands.

I'm not doing anything for these people that I don't do for users on here. Any poster could mirror my team and I'm fairly sure some do because I often get pms off people asking me about my next transfer and planned transfers when I didn't post same over the seasons or was banned.

I don't think you've done anything wrong anyway. It definitely isn't against the rules and any moral code exists between your cousin and the other people in the league. I would think that if the other people in the league (as you say I don't think any sort of moral code exists in a corporate league) take issue with it, then it is for them and your cousin to sort out.

Menas

There are plenty of other games out there that encourage multiple teams. But of course you pay cash for the privilege.
TFF and the Sun FF games are case and point. You can enter as many teams as you like but if course there are much better prizes and more opportunities to win (monthly cash prizes for eg).

FPl however is a free game and one of the rules is no multi teaming - and that is ok by me.
Over on FISO they get all hot and bothered about multi teaming and some posters actively report multi teams to FPL. I would not be that bothered, but if I was knocked out of the FPL cup by some random multi teamer I would be tempted!

Swiper the fox

It would probably annoy me a little if I lost a work league and discovered that the winner had nothing to do with the team and I didn't even know the person who managed it. Obviously there's nothing about it in the rules but these leagues are the source of very good workplace banter even without the gambling aspect.
All of the regulars on this forum are signed up to one or other of the leagues and competitions we run so that is the only team I think should be mentioned here at all times, I don't care whether it's against the rules or not (it appears that it is) it's certainly against the spirit of the game.
Nobody has a problem with second teams for specific purposes (no transfers, all Irish etc) we don't need to discuss that here.

CSF

Swiper the fox wrote: »

It would probably annoy me a little if I lost a work league and discovered that the winner had nothing to do with the team and I didn't even know the person who managed it. Obviously there's nothing about it in the rules but these leagues are the source of very good workplace banter even without the gambling aspect.
All of the regulars on this forum are signed up to one or other of the leagues and competitions we run so that is the only team I think should be mentioned here at all times, I don't care whether it's against the rules or not (it appears that it is) it's certainly against the spirit of the game.
Nobody has a problem with second teams for specific purposes (no transfers, all Irish etc) we don't need to discuss that here.

I think it is fairly common enough in work leagues that some of the women who aren't interested in football would have their husbands run their team. I don't think it is that big a deal in those circumstances. I'd think alot less of it if it was someone who has actually played the game in the past, and just decided that it would be more profitable to have their friend who was better at it do it.

Rikand

FHFC wrote: »

Yis are all a mad as so many buckets of frogs!!. Managing one team has pretty much taken over my life this past year or so, how the hell does one retain any sort of sanity looking after/advising/managing other teams!?!

This times a million.

Ace2007

Lemlin wrote: »

For a start, you are misrepresenting what I said. I'm not entering leagues in the disguise of anyone. These people are entering leagues and asking me to run their team.

Also, these aren't leagues involving bets, I wouldn't get involved otherwise. These are corporate leagues. Neither of these leagues even has an entry fee.

I'm also not infallible. I didn't even win my own work league last year. I came second by seven points to a lad who had never finished inside the top 50k and who is back to his usual performance level it appears this season.

I'm surprised you're using this forum if you feel that strictly on fairness. Is it not giving you an unfair advantage over others like crack the code sites do? Of course it isn't but the level of effort people want to put in is in their own hands.

I'm not doing anything for these people that I don't do for users on here. Any poster could mirror my team and I'm fairly sure some do because I often get pms off people asking me about my next transfer and planned transfers when I didn't post same over the seasons or was banned.

Just getting round to replying to this,

When you said your cousin entered a league and that you were splitting the winnings 50/50 - this would imply that the winner gets $$$. Apologise if not.

The idea that it's ok when there is no money involved shouldn't matter, If you were in a league and got beaten by someone who you later found out didn't even know that Aguero played with Man City - you'd probably be fairly pissed off - if it was for a couple hundred euro.

Likewise if say next season i pick out 20 players who have roughly finished in the same x position as me, and then do 100 HU bets with them and get my mate to manage my team, would this be unfair if none of the players knew this and i won all my bets/

I can guarantee that there would be war over it and many would probably not pay up - despite it not against the rules.

Regarding work leagues etc, obv that's different, people in work leagues will know that the women may not have any knowledge of the game and won't mind if their son helps out as it's usually social/banter at stake.

Lemlin

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just getting round to replying to this,

When you said your cousin entered a league and that you were splitting the winnings 50/50 - this would imply that the winner gets $$$. Apologise if not.

The idea that it's ok when there is no money involved shouldn't matter, If you were in a league and got beaten by someone who you later found out didn't even know that Aguero played with Man City - you'd probably be fairly pissed off - if it was for a couple hundred euro.

Likewise if say next season i pick out 20 players who have roughly finished in the same x position as me, and then do 100 HU bets with them and get my mate to manage my team, would this be unfair if none of the players knew this and i won all my bets/

I can guarantee that there would be war over it and many would probably not pay up - despite it not against the rules.

Regarding work leagues etc, obv that's different, people in work leagues will know that the women may not have any knowledge of the game and won't mind if their son helps out as it's usually social/banter at stake.

There is cash for the winner but no entry fee. The manager of the business is aware my cousin is getting help.

You're again comparing personal bets to a corporate league. You're very naive if you expect everyone in every corporate league you're in to be running their own team.

You also didn't answer my query about this forum. I share my transfers here every week and people mirror my team. That's what my cousin is doing. Should we all stop sharing out info on here?

As for people not knowing who Aguero plays with. I know plenty of people with decent teams who watch little or no soccer. There are plenty of sites giving advice where people can get stats now.

jimmii

iroced wrote: »

Rules are the rules OK. But I only see one case of it being unfair. If someone has several teams in a private league. I don't see how any other scenario can be unfair.

How did they do though? Checking IPs? Jeez... Back in college my PhD mate and myself were sometimes sharing our computer. I'm actually sharing my laptops with my missus now... Shall I be careful?

I think it was because it was super obvious as the team names were practically the same and it was the same manager name! It think FPL should just do away with the rule and say if someone wants to put that much effort into running multiple teams then so be it I mean its a joke that FFS is an official FPL partner and Mark and Granville run their own teams and then run another scoutcast team too!

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

I think it was because it was super obvious as the team names were practically the same and it was the same manager name! It think FPL should just do away with the rule and say if someone wants to put that much effort into running multiple teams then so be it I mean its a joke that FFS is an official FPL partner and Mark and Granville run their own teams and then run another scoutcast team too!

I wouldn't be in favour of a rule change myself.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

I wouldn't be in favour of a rule change myself.

Nor do I but do you think its just better to have a rule that is just being blatantly being ignored? Either enforce it or scrap it right now they don't look like they plan on doing either.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

Nor do I but do you think its just better to have a rule that is just being blatantly being ignored? Either enforce it or scrap it right now they don't look like they plan on doing either.

I think it is difficult enough to enforce. You can't go based on IPs or anything like that. All you really have is accounts under the same name under the same IP, but lots of fathers and sons have the same name. It is difficult, but where they can deal with blatant and obvious breaches of the rule, especially those with intent for nefarious purposes, the rule should exist so that they can do so.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

I think it is difficult enough to enforce. You can't go based on IPs or anything like that. All you really have is accounts under the same name under the same IP, but lots of fathers and sons have the same name. It is difficult, but where they can deal with blatant and obvious breaches of the rule, especially those with intent for nefarious purposes, the rule should exist so that they can do so.

Its impossible to enforce that is part of the problem. Surely FFS is the most blatant of all its broadcast for everyone to hear each week but nothing is going to be done about it and they couldn't punish others for having multiple teams while leaving that one as it is.