Unfortunate father posts photo of his dead son.

Packrat

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lets take another look at how fun drugs are…………… this is my son about an hour after the funeral home got him late monday afternoon. when he died he had been bleeding out of his ears and had blood in his hair and foam in his mouth. they were kind enough to clean him before we got there. his body was ice cold from being kept in a refrigerator. my cold dead son. father of a 10 month boy. grandson to 3 living grand parents. step-brother to 2. half brother to 3 son to 2 living parents and a step parent that helped raise him since he was a young child. all completely devastated. well little asher is too young to know what is going on but will live his life wondering what it would be like to know his dad. as many of you know jeramie was pretty open about his relationship with LSD. he was a little more quiet about his love for Dextromethorphan. despite the begging and pleading from me and many others in his family he craved the trip and was obsessed about it…………look i know that not everybody that takes drugs is going to die from it. but many do. jeramie thought he had it under control. he thought he was smarter than the drug and had more control than the drug. now he is in a refrigerator in a funeral home in englewood. now people are in transit from all across this country to say their final goodbye’s. now my family has to spend over $5000 in funeral expenses. now i will never be able to hike with him or ride dirt bikes with him. he will never be able to take his son camping………….those of you that use just for a little fun here and there. you don’t have to use but you like to party a little. think for a second about how there are those around you with larger mental issues. like jeramie, he was carrying some mental baggage that even i can’t comprehend. by partying with these people you encourage them and enable them to do it to use drugs as an escape. that is the every last thing people like this need. these people need actual help. these people need encouragement to heal in healthy ways. they need to feel genuine love and uplifting encouragement not encouragement to get high again. think about the influence you have on these people. think about the path of destruction being left behind…….people, learn from this. help make something positive from this tragedy. walk away from this lifestyle. find someone that loves you and ask them for help. don’t let this become you. don’t do this to your family. use our pain and anguish. learn from it. turn to someone you love. get help. if you do not have some you think you can turn to message me. i’ll do all in my power to help you. it’s not too late to save yourself and your family from repeating this horror. believe me when i say you do not want to experience this and you do not want your loved ones to have to experience this anguish.


Sad sad story, moreso because he had brought a young child into the world himself.

I'd be interested to hear what people who use drugs think of this article.
Would it change how you feel about your use of them in any way?

I won't post again in this thread, rather than try to ambush the posters who will reply, - most of whom I would probably vehemently disagree with on the subject matter.

Specialun

If it saves one persons life its a success

Detached Retina

I'd be surprised if anyone comes on here to defend drug use in that context. Aside from the pain it leaves behind for your parents, siblings,friends - My own opinion would be that once you have children yourself, you lose the right to make such selfish and reckless choices

Macavity.

I come on here to get away from Facebook. Anyway, pretty disrespectful picture to post globally of his deceased son IMO.

greasepalm

not just drugs but booze also ,i feel your pain when nothing could be said to them as they do think it wont get them,they are so wrong even the famous die young,think we all need help at some time but wont admit it,drugs and booze kill.
a friend in need is what people need to let out their emotion kept in.

Karl Stein

Packrat wrote: »

lets take another look at how fun drugs are…

Drugs are fun obviously and that's why people take them. I'm having a few beers as I type this. What isn't fun is drug abuse.

The vast majority of people who use drugs do not become an abuser/misuser. Some people will become abusers of drugs and unfortunately some will die. That's how it is.

Drugs are a fact of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBIctc09xGo

darced

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jay-me

How incredibly sad! I am so sorry for your loss and I really feel for that kid.. It will be awful growing up without his dad. In saying that I don't think the guy set out to kill himself he was looking for answers in the wrong place and found answers he didn't want! This is the same for all drug abusers in that they are trying to fill a void by drug use and sometimes it can take over and these are the unfortunate circumstances.. So I can see how you might want to make such a senseless waste of life become something of use to others and possibly change their outcomes! So Kudos from me!

lazybones32

I assure you, when the urge strikes me, this appeal will not prevent me from doing what I intend to do.

It speaks about LSD and mental problems: was this death self-inflicted or directly caused by overdose, organ failure or impurities cut with the product?


A far more shocking instance of drug use/abuse is 'Krocodil' - search Google images...or don't, if you haven't a strong constitution.

iguana

The dead man was an addict and died from his addiction. If he'd been addicted to alcohol it would be no different. Should nobody then drink alcohol for fun? Knowing people who are drinking alcohol for fun most likely makes most alcoholics feel tempted to join them in their fun despite their own inability to handle the situation. It's not in any way the fault of recreational drug users (and by drug users I include alcohol drinkers) if an addict stays addicted and dies from the addiction.

downonthefarm

What a load of old **** .
His son dies so he goes fb to talk about it?
This obviously is not real

CrazyRabbit

I've lost friends to drugs. I was even in the unfortunate position to find one of them dead myself.
He was lying back on the bed in just his underwear with his legs hanging over the side. He was stone cold and his legs had gone deep purple and bloated, whilst the rest of him was so pale.

None of us had any idea that he was a 'functional' heroin addict. He had a good job as a hairdresser and seemed perfectly fine.

The quality and strength of heroin cannot always be known when bought so each time you risk an OD. For my friend David, he lost his game of Russian roulette 2 years ago.

Why someone would risk death again and again for just a few mins/hours high is something I'll never understand.

RGDATA!

Packrat wrote: »

I won't post again in this thread, rather than try to ambush the posters who will reply, - most of whom I would probably vehemently disagree with on the subject matter.

great way to kick off the discussion.
since the only opinion you gave yourself is that it's a "sad story", i actually agree with you, vehemently.

Kristopherus

downonthefarm wrote: »

What a load of old **** .
His son dies so he goes fb to talk about it?
This obviously is not real

You could be right. Look at what the OP is posting here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057327669

beyondbelief67

Kristopherus wrote: »

You could be right. Look at what the OP is posting here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057327669

I think the op simply found the story and was asking what other people thought of it ? Not that it was their son ?

Macavity.

Kristopherus wrote: »

You could be right. Look at what the OP is posting here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057327669

It's been doing the rounds all week on Facebook. OP is just posting about it.

beyondbelief67

From what ive been able to find it is a very sad true story.

Micky Dolenz

I feel sorry for his family, not easy to lose anyone at a young age. Story needs more details though.

Was this man an addict that took drugs all the time or a user who dabbled every know and again?

Phoebas

Macavity. wrote: »

Anyway, pretty disrespectful picture to post globally of his deceased son IMO.

Disrespectful to who?

Kristopherus

Macavity. wrote: »

It's been doing the rounds all week on Facebook. OP is just posting about it.

Well, why didnt he quote it properly, so?
This is part of the first line of his post " this is my son about an hour after the funeral home got him late monday afternoon."

JRant

Phoebas wrote: »

Disrespectful to who?

I would imagine that the young child and his mother will have a hard enough time dealing with this without the need for those kind of images being released.

mikom

Packrat wrote: »

http://rightwingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/jrmrtclf.jpg

now my family has to spend over $5000 in funeral expenses

Hmmmm.....

Phoebas

JRant wrote: »

I would imagine that the young child and his mother will have a hard enough time dealing with this without the need for those kind of images being released.

I'd imagine that the father wouldn't have made a unilateral decision to release the image(s).

JRant

Phoebas wrote: »

I'd imagine that the father wouldn't have made a unilateral decision to release the image(s).

You'd hope not but grief does terrible things to people.

ceadaoin.

lazybones32 wrote: »

I assure you, when the urge strikes me, this appeal will not prevent me from doing what I intend to do.

It speaks about LSD and mental problems: was this death self-inflicted or directly caused by overdose, organ failure or impurities cut with the product?


A far more shocking instance of drug use/abuse is 'Krocodil' - search Google images...or don't, if you haven't a strong constitution.

The post mentions dextromethorphan. That's in over the counter cough medicine such as robitussin. Sounds like this person was abusing cough medicine and took a fatal dose.

Bongalongherb

Peace and good-will regardless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZGhxvFkHVg

Dude111

Packrat wrote:

Sad sad story, moreso because he had brought a young child into the world himself.

Very sad indeed

Detached Retina

Detached Retina wrote: »

I'd be surprised if anyone comes on here to defend drug use in that context.

What do you mean by "defend" drug use? Am I allowed to pick my own examples?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I can't get over that a father thought it a priority to post about his dead son on FB. I think if a child or grandchild of mine died I would have too many other emotions to deal with and too many people to comfort to be bothered with social media. I don't believe this is genuine.

Graces7

iguana wrote: »

The dead man was an addict and died from his addiction. If he'd been addicted to alcohol it would be no different. Should nobody then drink alcohol for fun? Knowing people who are drinking alcohol for fun most likely makes most alcoholics feel tempted to join them in their fun despite their own inability to handle the situation. It's not in any way the fault of recreational drug users (and by drug users I include alcohol drinkers) if an addict stays addicted and dies from the addiction.

Clearly you have little understanding of the nature and reality of addiction. As those of us who were made Involuntary Tranquilliser Addicts know only too well, it is an insidious and unrelenting process. Some weird idea of fun here too. Recreational indeed! Russian roulette is said by some to be fun also. A deficiency of character in all who use these drugs including tobacco

caustic 1

Annalee Delightful Harpsichord wrote: »

I can't get over that a father thought it a priority to post about his dead son on FB. I think if a child or grandchild of mine died I would have too many other emotions to deal with and too many people to comfort to be bothered with social media. I don't believe this is genuine.

Personally I can't believe that people post about their children on FB all the time when living, this is a different kettle of fish. I can only assume that grief in this case has manifested in anger and his way to vent and try to warn others was FB, rightly or wrongly seems he was just trying to get a message across.

iguana

Graces7 wrote: »

Clearly you have little understanding of the nature and reality of addiction. As those of us who were made Involuntary Tranquilliser Addicts know only too well, it is an insidious and unrelenting process. Some weird idea of fun here too. Recreational indeed! Russian roulette is said by some to be fun also. A deficiency of character in all who use these drugs including tobacco

Nope. I know all about addiction having lost a family member to it a few years ago and currently fear another is going the same way. In both cases though, alcohol is the drug of choice and both addicts began drinking recreationally. This doesn't make those who drink for fun in anyway responsible for their addictions.

More lives are lost annually to alcohol addiction than to addiction to all illegal drugs combined. Anyone who drinks alcohol but blames recreational drug users for the death of a drug addict is a hypocrite.

Fr_Dougal

Wait, what about Kony? And using live dogs as shark bait?

beyondbelief67

For anyone who doesn't believe this is genuine google jeramie Ratliff or mike stollings.

Ray Palmer

This is nothing really to do with recreational drug use. The father obviously didn't learn about his sons drug issues and the nature of the addiction.
People are not really taking cough medicine for fun. He could have been huffing glue for all it matters.
Even with heavy drugs addictions only happens to a certain group and it is normally a case of self medication. It seems that is the case here

Laura Palmer

I dislike the way casual drug use is deemed the same thing as drug abuse/addiction when tragedies like this occur. It's misleading and unhelpful.

It's like saying having a few drinks at the weekend = being an alcoholic.

That isn't endorsement of drug use - it's simply distinguishing between recreational use and abuse/addiction.

bodice ripper

Ray Palmer wrote: »

This is nothing really to do with recreational drug use. The father obviously didn't learn about his sons drug issues and the nature of the addiction.
People are not really taking cough medicine for fun. He could have been huffing glue for all it matters.
Even with heavy drugs addictions only happens to a certain group and it is normally a case of self medication. It seems that is the case here

there are people who take DXM bearing cough syrup for fun. and huffing glue is far, far more dangerous.

Rough Sleeper

Thanks for the eye opener. Before reading this I would have thought that taking an overdose of dry-cough medicine was a pretty good idea, but I now see how wrong I was. I've also come to realise that this emotive individual experience has greatly increased the probability of me dying of a fatal overdose from any drug so I'm going to curtail their use entirely.

Ray Palmer

bodice ripper wrote: »

there are people who take DXM bearing cough syrup for fun. and huffing glue is far, far more dangerous.

and taking DMX is far more dangerous than cannabis. The father should have educated himself on what was wrong with his child. An uneducated person is no more better having suffered an addicted child. If my child was an addict I would try and educate myself to understand the problem not wait till he was dead to spout a silly story. I still think it is fake.

conorh91

Look over there! Alcohol!

This is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation:

Are people who cite the legality of alcohol in order to defend ingestion of unverified chemicals (i) rationally compromised because of ingestion of unverified chemicals? or (ii) do they ingest unverified chemicals because they are rationally compromised in the first place?

Yeah yeah I'm a dickhead, but also an adult who stopped putting random substances in his mouth when he was two years of age. I have plenty of bad and unhealthy habits, but eating random pills isn't one of them.

Henlars67

Detached Retina wrote: »

I'd be surprised if anyone comes on here to defend drug use in that context. Aside from the pain it leaves behind for your parents, siblings,friends - My own opinion would be that once you have children yourself, you lose the right to make such selfish and reckless choices

I'll defend drug use. I just won't defend drug abuse

Laura Palmer

conorh91 wrote: »

Look over there! Alcohol!

This is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation:

Are people who cite the legality of alcohol in order to defend ingestion of unverified chemicals (i) rationally compromised because of ingestion of unverified chemicals? or (ii) do they ingest unverified chemicals because they are rationally compromised in the first place?

Yeah yeah I'm a dickhead, but also an adult who stopped putting random substances in his mouth when he was two years of age. I have plenty of bad and unhealthy habits, but eating random pills isn't one of them.

Well I was just using the alcohol analogy to make the point that drinking alcohol doesn't automatically result in alcoholism. It can do of course, but most of the time it doesn't. The same applies to drug use. I'm not saying everyone should do drugs - everyone most definitely should not. But it's not unreasonable to point out that most people who take drugs to get high on a night out and otherwise don't partake of them aren't going to wind up like the poor guy in this case.
That's why it's misleading to say "Taking drugs for fun" is the same thing as becoming obsessed with cough mixture.

braddun

Prescription drugs are now killing far more people than illegal drugs, and while most major causes of preventable deaths are declining, those from prescription drug use are increasing, an analysis of recently released data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

The Times analysis of 2009 death statistics, the most recent available, showed:
•For the first time ever in the US, more people were killed by drugs than motor vehicle accidents
•37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and anxiety medications, versus 36,284 from traffic accidents
•Drug fatalities more than doubled among teens and young adults between 2000 and 2008, and more than tripled among people aged 50 to 69

Again, these drug-induced fatalities are not being driven by illegal street drugs; the analysis found that the most commonly abused prescription drugs like OxyContin, Vicodin, Xanax and Soma now cause more deaths than heroin and cocaine combined.
Pharmageddon1 is "the prospect of a world in which medicines and medicine produce more ill-health than health, and when medical progress does more harm than good" -- and it is no longer a prospect but fully upon us. Those most at risk from dying from this new drug crisis are people you would least expect; the analysis revealed the death toll is highest among people in their 40s, but all ages, from teenagers to the elderly, and all walks of life are being affected. In fact, prescription drugs are now the preferred "high" for many, especially teens, as they are typically used legally, which eliminates the stigma of being a "junkie."

And even if you don't have your own prescription, drugs of all kinds can be found in the nearest medicine cabinet in most homes.

Yet, these drugs are also now being sold on the black market and on street corners, where people who have run out of prescriptions are willing to pay upwards of $80 a pill to get their fix.

Many become addicted after using the drugs for headaches or back pain, and teens are increasingly taking the pills from their parents to use recreationally, under the false assumption that they are not dangerous.

conorh91

Laura Palmer wrote: »

But it's not unreasonable to point out that most people who take drugs to get high on a night out and otherwise don't partake of them aren't going to wind up like the poor guy in this case.

Most, no. But it's a game of chance. If you go out and buy unmarked chemicals from a stranger, and eat them, the only thing saving you from death or injury is chance.

Risk-taking is a necessary component of living of course. I could get knocked down crossing the road while going for pints, or develop HIV from a freak injury, or die in a plane crash. We all accept the necessity of taking chances, but we generally consent to chance after we have adequate information on risk.

You cannot possibly eat a stranger's chemicals and not assume the risk of injury to be high. You can freely accept a high risk, but you cannot honestly deny it.

Laura Palmer

conorh91 wrote: »

Most, no. But it's a game of chance. If you go out and buy unmarked chemicals from a stranger, and eat them, the only thing saving you from death or injury is chance.

Risk-taking is a necessary component of living of course. I could get knocked down crossing the road while going for pints, or develop HIV from a freak injury, or die in a plane crash. We all accept the necessity of taking chances, but we generally consent to chance after we have adequate information on risk.

You cannot possibly eat a stranger's chemicals and not assume the risk of injury to be high. You can freely accept a high risk, but you cannot honestly deny it.

Why would they want to possibly kill buyers though? I accept there's a risk, but I don't think it's as high as is believed by some.

conorh91

Laura Palmer wrote: »

Why would they want to possibly kill buyers though? I accept there's a risk, but I don't think it's as high as is believed by some.

Of course they don't want to. But if your idea of a chemical laboratory is a garage or a grungey bedsit, maybe don't expect a pristine safety record.

Detached Retina

Sorry, drug *abuse