Two bikes, one cyclist

Had an interesting experience today. Was trying to cross the road and got halfway across the road to some white box that I thought it was fair for me to stand in.

Next thing I know I hear this loud rasping whistle that you always hear our working class friends using. Slightly surprised me but I ignored it and concentrated on trying to get across the whole way.

Then some guy passes me, looks back and says "Get out of the way". Well the thing was he was cycling along the middle of the road but laughably he had a second bike alongside him. I told the knacker to "fcuk off" whereupon he replied with "fcuk you".

Someone please tell me that I was in the right so I can feel even more superior. Surely one cyclist cycling along with two bikes is hopelessly illegal?

paddydriver

Do it regularly enough if I am working at home and can take opportunity to meet my daughter after school and go for a cycle with her.. needless to say we need the 2 bikes to go for a cycle;)

I usually end up with her bike lifted and going on the back wheel. It can be a bit wobbly sometimes but haven't been pulled over yet.

Beasty

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely one cyclist cycling along with two bikes is hopelessly illegal?

Pretty sure it's not illegal per se, but that does not absolve the cyclist from the application of other relevant laws such as dangerous driving.

Wishbone Ash

I did it regularly when I was a youngster. I'd bring a bike to girlfirends/pub/work etc. and get a lift home. I'd have to borrow another bike to retrieve my own and cycle both home again. It's easier than it looks.

paddydriver

paddydriver wrote: »

Do it regularly enough if I am working at home and can take opportunity to meet my daughter after school and go for a cycle with her.. needless to say we need the 2 bikes to go for a cycle;)

I usually end up with her bike lifted and going on the back wheel. It can be a bit wobbly sometimes but haven't been pulled over yet.

Hmmm sounds like you actually have respect for other people though. Here's a link to the place I was standing:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.6586816,-8.6319595,3a,75y,146.65h,82.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRBE_TbpkqDink8W5oXGfow!2e0

I was standing in the white thing in the middle. Not quite sure what it technically is but I thought it was an inoffensive place to stand.

Wishbone Ash

Beasty wrote: »

Pretty sure it's not illegal per se, but that does not absolve the cyclist from the application of other relevant laws such as dangerous driving.

Would a cyclist be deemed a 'driver'?

sweetie

surely it was stolen? I met one of his brethren cycling towards me on Townsend St (one way) and held my ground and got cursed away at.

sweetie

sweetie wrote: »

surely it was stolen? I met one of his brethren cycling towards me on Townsend St (one way) and held my ground and got cursed away at.

It's gas isn't it? They're completely in the wrong yet act totally aggrieved. God knows what their thought processes are.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

It's not illegal to cycle while holding a second bike.

"Surely it was stolen". Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Out of curiosity, did you report it to the Gardai?

It's possible he owns two bikes and is collecting it, maybe he just bought a second bike, maybe he is taking it to get fixed or lending it to his mate? Maybe it is stolen. Who knows.

I don't fully understand the situation you were in. Were you cycling accross the road? Like footpath to footpath, or were you walking? I can't remember the name of those white lines, but I don't believe vehicles are permitted to cross them.

Wishbone Ash

Hatched marking/hatched area or whatever.

Wyatt Gentle Tenderloin

Wyatt Gentle Tenderloin wrote: »

It's not illegal to cycle while holding a second bike.

"Surely it was stolen". Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Out of curiosity, did you report it to the Gardai?

It's possible he owns two bikes and is collecting it, maybe he just bought a second bike, maybe he is taking it to get fixed or lending it to his mate? Maybe it is stolen. Who knows.

I don't fully understand the situation you were in. Were you cycling accross the road? Like footpath to footpath, or were you walking? I can't remember the name of those white lines, but I don't believe vehicles are permitted to cross them.

I was on foot. Traffic was busy but I managed to get to the hatched lines and stopped. I honestly thought it was permissible for me to wait there until I could advance the rest of the way to the footpath on the other side.

Anyway I'm thinking more and more that he was just a criminal and not respectable cyclists like the good users of this forum.

R1_Pete

Beasty wrote: »

Pretty sure it's not illegal per se, but that does not absolve the cyclist from the application of other relevant laws such as dangerous driving.

Deleted User wrote: »

I was on foot. Traffic was busy but I managed to get to the hatched lines and stopped. I honestly thought it was permissible for me to wait there until I could advance the rest of the way to the footpath on the other side.

Anyway I'm thinking more and more that he was just a criminal and not respectable cyclists like the good users of this forum.

What makes you think he was a criminal?
He is on another forum right now complaining about a criminal who broke the rules of the road..

Wishbone Ash

R1_Pete wrote: »

.... complaining about a criminal who broke the rules of the road..

A person who contravenes road traffic regulations is deemed to be an 'offender' - not a criminal. There's a difference between an 'offence' and a 'crime'.

R1_Pete

R1_Pete wrote: »

What makes you think he was a criminal?
He is on another forum right now complaining about a criminal who broke the rules of the road..

I mean it in that criminality is probably his career.

R1_Pete

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

A person who contravenes road traffic regulations is deemed to be an 'offender' - not a criminal. There's a difference between an 'offence' and a 'crime'.

Cheers, my point reinforced.
The lad on the bike broke no law that we know of...yet he is called a criminal. Might not be best practice but no law broken. So while the OP may not have committed a crime, the other party may have found his behaviour offensive..

No harm done.

R1_Pete

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean it in that criminality is probably his career.

Why? Was he wearing a hamburgler costume?

Beasty

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Would a cyclist be deemed a 'driver'?

It is my understanding that you are considered to be "driving" your bike. I think we've covered this before in the forum. Also "dangerous driving" was the offence mentioned to me by the Guard that spoke to me the other week.

Wishbone Ash

Beasty wrote: »

It is my understanding that you are considered to be "driving" your bike. I think we've covered this before in the forum. Also "dangerous driving" was the offence mentioned to me by the Guard that spoke to me the other week.

That reminds me of a school teacher I had in primary who hated the term 'driver'. He use to say 'You don't drive your car - the engine drives it". He had a point.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Deleted User wrote: »

I was on foot. Traffic was busy but I managed to get to the hatched lines and stopped. I honestly thought it was permissible for me to wait there until I could advance the rest of the way to the footpath on the other side.

Anyway I'm thinking more and more that he was just a criminal and not respectable cyclists like the good users of this forum.

Ah ok, you were walking, I understand now. I don't think it's an offense for you to be where you were.

Let's just say that the cyclist was a bit of an arse and you were in the right. Keep in mind that we do only have your side of the story

How you have concluded that this gentleman is a criminal is another matter altogether.

He may very well be, but I don't think prejudice is enough to go on

cnolan

Wyatt Gentle Tenderloin wrote: »

Ah ok, you were walking, I understand now. I don't think it's an offense for you to be where you were.

Let's just say that the cyclist was a bit of an arse and you were in the right. Keep in mind that we do only have your side of the story

How you have concluded that this gentleman is a criminal is another matter altogether.

He may very well be, but I don't think prejudice is enough to go on

I agree with this. don't judge the way someone dresses as what they are.

also try cross the road at a green man/pedestrian light if there is one in the area instead of halfway up a street.

and you can only have moral highground when you are actually in the right, both are wrong in this situation, crossing halfway across the road isnt the safest thing to do

Kevin McCloud

Does cycling insurance cover towing or recovery as what you have for motor insurance?

bobcranfret

Is there not a pedestrian island to the left of the hatched area which you could have used? The hatched area is to indicate a part of the road where cars etc can't drive, not a facility for jaywalkers.

CramCycle

I have cycled with two bikes a few times, collecting from LBS, or on behalf of a friend. I admit I probably did look dodgy, last time I done it I had someone shout at me because they thought I stole one or both.

Basically, can't judge based on appearance in all situations.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

CramCycle wrote: »

I have cycled with two bikes a few times, collecting from LBS, or on behalf of a friend. I admit I probably did look dodgy, last time I done it I had someone shout at me because they thought I stole one or both.

Basically, can't judge based on appearance in all situations any situation.