Architect costs up to planning stage

Effects

So I received a quote from an architect for fees up to planning application stage. I was a bit shocked at the price but maybe I was just under estimating it. My plan is to build a two bed mews house on a site belonging to a family member. It is located in an Architectural Conservation Area. The fixed fee came to €7000. I haven't been to any other architects yet so have nothing to guide me on this quote as of yet. Any advice would be a great help and if there's any other info that I may have left out that you might think affects the fee let me know and I'll source it.

BryanF

Survey
Site assessment
Fixed planning costs
Impact analysis/ Photomontages
BER
Design options (plural)
What was actually included?

Gumbo

BryanF wrote: »

Survey
Site assessment
Fixed planning costs
Impact analysis/ Photomontages
BER
Design options (plural)
What was actually included?

+
Conservation report.
Most likely a conservation architect.

Effects

As far as I can see it covers the standard RIAI agreement up to stage 3. Going by RIAI agreement it's about 35% of the cost up to Planning so total coming in around €20,000 which is roughly 10% of our budget. Does that sound about right? Exclusions are various costs including site investigations, topo survey, planning fee, assigned certifier, project supervisor (PSDP), maps etc.

The fee includes: Inception & General Services: Client's Instructions; Advice on req. under BC(A)R,
Outline proposals: Client's Instructions; Brief Development, Measured survey 35% Planning fee
Scheme Design: Client's Instructions; Developed scheme design from outline 65% Planning fee
Site visit & appraisal; Advice on need to obtain Planning Permission &
other Statutory requirements; Red line/Legal confirmation; Advice in
relation to Protected Structures, PSDP, Energy Performance Building Directive (EPBD).
(co-ordination of topographical survey - if required); Context drawings; Plans,
sections, elevations; Initial sketch design proposals; Development Plan &
Planning Regulations audit, Liaison with Local Authority Planners & Conservation
Officer, Liaison with QS & other consultants for Cost report. Design Certifier role
under BC(A)R. Advise on boundary issues.
proposals, Preliminary timetable for construction; Preliminary Research on
construction methods & materials; Design Certifier role under BC(A)R; Conservation
Reports for Protected Structure, Method Statements, Continued liaison with Planners,
QS & other consultants; Detailed scale drawings; Application forms and supporting
documentation, Planning Ad & Site Notice wording; Planning Submission.

RITwing

Your budget is not adequate.
The architects cost is reasonable.

Effects

Thanks for the feedback. I guess 200K is our starting budget but we are allowing it to go to 250K to accommodate budget overruns.
We are worried about handing over 7K and then not getting planning permission.

RITwing

That is not how it works. Ask for sketch proposals from the architect and to then both of you meet for a pre planning consultation with the planner. Cost for that will be a fraction of €7k.

Effects

So we bring sketch proposals to the planner, planner gives an indication of whether it will be a yes or a no and then we go with the rest of what was mentioned in the 7K proposal with a good indication of the outcome?

RITwing

Pretty much. Just ask at the outset for the fee up to pre planning.

Effects

Organised a meeting with him on Monday. Cheers for the help.

duckcfc

Effects wrote: »

As far as I can see it covers the standard RIAI agreement up to stage 3. Going by RIAI agreement it's about 35% of the cost up to Planning so total coming in around €20,000 which is roughly 10% of our budget. Does that sound about right? Exclusions are various costs including site investigations, topo survey, planning fee, assigned certifier, project supervisor (PSDP), maps etc.

The fee includes: Inception & General Services: Client's Instructions; Advice on req. under BC(A)R,
Outline proposals: Client's Instructions; Brief Development, Measured survey 35% Planning fee
Scheme Design: Client's Instructions; Developed scheme design from outline 65% Planning fee
Site visit & appraisal; Advice on need to obtain Planning Permission &
other Statutory requirements; Red line/Legal confirmation; Advice in
relation to Protected Structures, PSDP, Energy Performance Building Directive (EPBD).
(co-ordination of topographical survey - if required); Context drawings; Plans,
sections, elevations; Initial sketch design proposals; Development Plan &
Planning Regulations audit, Liaison with Local Authority Planners & Conservation
Officer, Liaison with QS & other consultants for Cost report. Design Certifier role
under BC(A)R. Advise on boundary issues.
proposals, Preliminary timetable for construction; Preliminary Research on
construction methods & materials; Design Certifier role under BC(A)R; Conservation
Reports for Protected Structure, Method Statements, Continued liaison with Planners,
QS & other consultants; Detailed scale drawings; Application forms and supporting
documentation, Planning Ad & Site Notice wording; Planning Submission.

Is this all new. I know a guy who paid 800 euro for an engineer to look after thevplanning/house design/site report then 500 for the final cert. 7-20k sounds ridiculous to me!

Gumbo

duckcfc wrote: »

Is this all new. I know a guy who paid 800 euro for an engineer to look after thevplanning/house design/site report then 500 for the final cert. 7-20k sounds ridiculous to me!

Yes it's all new, since the 1st March. It's the new Building Control Amended Regulations. Similar to your post in the other thread about let over materials, the game has changed in the construction industry in recent months.

duckcfc

kceire wrote: »

Yes it's all new, since the 1st March. It's the new Building Control Amended Regulations. Similar to your post in the other thread about let over materials, the game has changed in the construction industry in recent months.

Yeah seen that. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest these changes are going to kill the selfbuild industry in coming years. Madness!

Gumbo

duckcfc wrote: »

Yeah seen that. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest these changes are going to kill the selfbuild industry in coming years. Madness!

It already has. Where have you been
Self build is all butq gone due to the new regulations.

duckcfc

kceire wrote: »

It already has. Where have you been
Self build is all butq gone due to the new regulations.

Yeah I know its been bad but thought it would pick up again, not with these changes thou

sydthebeat

duckcfc wrote: »

Yeah I know its been bad but thought it would pick up again, not with these changes thou

nope.

make your local TD understand how these regs are affecting you and all like you

duckcfc

sydthebeat wrote: »

nope.

make your local TD understand how these regs are affecting you and all like you

Local TD lol, don't get me started on them. Their just puppets and can't see them changing or even wanting to change a thing

RITwing

Nothing affects nothing. Stay silent you deserve what you get.

BryanF

duckcfc wrote: »

Local TD lol, don't get me started on them. Their just puppets and can't see them changing or even wanting to change a thing

can we keep this to construction topics, there is a politics forum for such comments. Thanks

duckcfc

BryanF wrote: »

can we keep this to construction topics, there is a politics forum for such comments. Thanks

Point taken