Osama Bin Ladens second death, disputed by 2 navy seals

stuar

In the news the past few days the "Man who shot Bin Laden" blah, blah, blah.

Then after ST6 Robert O'Neil claimed it was him that shot Bin Laden, another member disputed his claim, I personally believe the person who disputes his claim as I believe Bin Laden was already dead years.

It could be a ploy by the "pentagram" to let the "team" make a few quid hush money, continue the illusion, and everybody is happy.
Nobody on the ship Bin Laden was buried from actually saw his supposed burial, no pictures are available, except a proven fake that surfaced.

No dialysis machine was in the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, something Bin Laden would have needed to still be alive (after his death in 2001)

My personal belief about the recent news is just another play in the pantomime of geopolitics, to put the cream on the lie, and cement the deception..........but that's just my thought's.

Osama Bin Laden killing: US Navy Seals row over shooting.


A day out at the cinema..........





http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29945568

Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html#ixzz3IUEiuUxl

What yiz think?

stuar

I just remembered some of the seal team 6 (ST6) also died not long after the "raid" that killed Bin Laden.....

Families of Navy SEALs killed in 2011 attack say government is to blame

The family members, speaking at the National Press Club, tried to reopen the book on the crash, in which 30 Americans were killed, most of them belonging to the same unit as those who carried out the raid on Usama bin Laden earlier that year. The helicopter was shot down by insurgents.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/10/families-fallen-navy-seals-in-2011-attack-say-government-is-to-blame/

Who betrayed Navy SEAL Team 6?

Navy SEAL Team 6 has attained international prominence for one reason: They were responsible for killing Osama bin Laden. They are American heroes. Yet, their own government betrayed them. Several days after the bin Laden operation, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. — in a pathetic attempt to spike the football and gloat — publicly revealed their central role in the raid. His revelations put a giant target on the backs of every Navy SEAL Team 6 member.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-seal-team-6/#ixzz3IULAi61S


Over 20 SEALs Who “Killed Osama Bin Laden” Now Dead

Over 20 navy seals are now dead. Who killed bin laden? Was it, a coincidence? There STILL isn’t any evidence at all that seal’s have killed him. There is evidence that suggest he was already dead and has been dead for years.
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/21/over-20-seals-who-killed-osama-bin-laden-now-dead

Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden left in poverty with no pension, healthcare or protection.

The US Navy SEAL who personally shot to death former al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden says he has been neglected by the US government. The poverty-stricken ex-commando is now struggling to feed his family and pay for healthcare.
http://rt.com/usa/seal-bin-shooter-us-944/

Brown Bomber

It was the whole Osama affair that made me think that the majority of the world are part of giant cult who will believe anything on authority. There remains not a single concrete reason to believe they actually killed him that day, none of the promises of releasing evidence has been fulfilled as far as I know to this day. Many people were initially sceptical, but despite none of the facts actually changing this scepticism has been replaced with a surety he was killed through constant reinforcement through the media and authorities where no dissent is permitted. If we had an honest media they would have had and continue to question it. We don't.

The world could have been a safer place, we'd have no ISIS, and thousands not needed to have died in Libya, Syria and Iraq if he wasn't "killed" that day. If the announcement hadn't come in the hours that followed the NATO war crime of bombing a Gadaffi family home, which killed his children and small grandchildren there may have been a strong enough pushback against the war against Libya, which seen the West empower jihadis setting off a firestorm in the region - though perhaps that was the plan all along.

Eamondomc

stuar wrote: »

In the news the past few days the "Man who shot Bin Laden" blah, blah, blah.

Then after ST6 Robert O'Neil claimed it was him that shot Bin Laden, another member disputed his claim, I personally believe the person who disputes his claim as I believe Bin Laden was already dead years.

It could be a ploy by the "pentagram" to let the "team" make a few quid hush money, continue the illusion, and everybody is happy.
Nobody on the ship Bin Laden was buried from actually saw his supposed burial, no pictures are available, except a proven fake that surfaced.

No dialysis machine was in the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, something Bin Laden would have needed to still be alive (after his death in 2001)

My personal belief about the recent news is just another play in the pantomime of geopolitics, to put the cream on the lie, and cement the deception..........but that's just my thought's.

Osama Bin Laden killing: US Navy Seals row over shooting.


A day out at the cinema..........





http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29945568

Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html#ixzz3IUEiuUxl

What yiz think?

stuar wrote: »

I just remembered some of the seal team 6 (ST6) also died not long after the "raid" that killed Bin Laden.....

Families of Navy SEALs killed in 2011 attack say government is to blame

The family members, speaking at the National Press Club, tried to reopen the book on the crash, in which 30 Americans were killed, most of them belonging to the same unit as those who carried out the raid on Usama bin Laden earlier that year. The helicopter was shot down by insurgents.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/10/families-fallen-navy-seals-in-2011-attack-say-government-is-to-blame/

Who betrayed Navy SEAL Team 6?

Navy SEAL Team 6 has attained international prominence for one reason: They were responsible for killing Osama bin Laden. They are American heroes. Yet, their own government betrayed them. Several days after the bin Laden operation, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. — in a pathetic attempt to spike the football and gloat — publicly revealed their central role in the raid. His revelations put a giant target on the backs of every Navy SEAL Team 6 member.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-seal-team-6/#ixzz3IULAi61S


Over 20 SEALs Who “Killed Osama Bin Laden” Now Dead

Over 20 navy seals are now dead. Who killed bin laden? Was it, a coincidence? There STILL isn’t any evidence at all that seal’s have killed him. There is evidence that suggest he was already dead and has been dead for years.
http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/21/over-20-seals-who-killed-osama-bin-laden-now-dead

Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden left in poverty with no pension, healthcare or protection.

The US Navy SEAL who personally shot to death former al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden says he has been neglected by the US government. The poverty-stricken ex-commando is now struggling to feed his family and pay for healthcare.
http://rt.com/usa/seal-bin-shooter-us-944/

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It was the whole Osama affair that made me think that the majority of the world are part of giant cult who will believe anything on authority. There remains not a single concrete reason to believe they actually killed him that day, none of the promises of releasing evidence has been fulfilled as far as I know to this day. Many people were initially sceptical, but despite none of the facts actually changing this scepticism has been replaced with a surety he was killed through constant reinforcement through the media and authorities where no dissent is permitted. If we had an honest media they would have had and continue to question it. We don't.

The world could have been a safer place, we'd have no ISIS, and thousands not needed to have died in Libya, Syria and Iraq if he wasn't "killed" that day. If the announcement hadn't come in the hours that followed the NATO war crime of bombing a Gadaffi family home, which killed his children and small grandchildren there may have been a strong enough pushback against the war against Libya, which seen the West empower jihadis setting off a firestorm in the region - though perhaps that was the plan all along.

Hey there. He is still alive and so is Elvis and JFK and SADAM

Brown Bomber

Eamondomc wrote: »

Hey there. He is still alive and so is Elvis and JFK and SADAM

I take it by taking the piss you are convinced the seals killed him that day. Can you give your top 3 reasons why?

stuar

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I take it by taking the piss you are convinced the seals killed him that day. Can you give your top 3 reasons why?

Or even 1.....Eamondomc

Eamondomc

stuar wrote: »

Or even 1.....Eamondomc

Just from watcing the news and the general media coverage also I watched documentary on tv which showed the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
While I admit it was ambiguous it is no more ambiguos than the links provided here. But to be fair that is all. But I think that team of seals did the job. Just my opinion. Did not mean to offend just being sarcastic.

DamagedTrax

Eamondomc wrote: »

Just from watcing the news and the general media coverage also I watched documentary on tv which showed the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
While I admit it was ambiguous it is no more ambiguos than the links provided here. But to be fair that is all. But I think that team of seals did the job. Just my opinion. Did not mean to offend just being sarcastic.

i had a pakistani taxi driver in dublin recently. he was from the same region. he said nobody in the area believed bin laden was living near by. that was all the info he had unfortunately.

Eamondomc

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i had a pakistani taxi driver in dublin recently. he was from the same region. he said nobody in the area believed bin laden was living near by. that was all the info he had unfortunately.

I would say that Bin Laden would not want anyone only trusted supporters knowing his whereabouts. The thing is regardless of when he died we all seem to believe he is dead.

Brown Bomber

Eamondomc wrote: »

Just from watcing the news and the general media coverage also I watched documentary on tv which showed the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
While I admit it was ambiguous it is no more ambiguos than the links provided here. But to be fair that is all. But I think that team of seals did the job. Just my opinion. Did not mean to offend just being sarcastic.

No need to apologise, no offense caused. I would like to pick your brain though cos' I think you represent the majority here in that you have a strong belief, which you don't question, why? Because you don't need to, you hold the consensus view, but when push comes to shove you don't really know why you hold this belief at all.

Would that be fair to say...?

I'm not even saying you are wrong. I certainly don't know what happened. What I do know is that we haven't been given the full story when there is/was no need not to give the full story which makes me think that they are hiding something.

Off the top of my head what they could be covering up, or would be a motivation to fake the execution would be:

1. They found out that he had died of natural causes and faked the execution to grab the glory and the polls boost.
2. They mistakenly killed some other guy, perhaps even a lookalike, announced the execution and couldn't admit their mistake to the public.
3. They lied about killing him while they instead captured him to torture him to gain information outside the gaze of human rights lawyers.
4. They needed to give OBL, their agent of decades a well deserved retirement. Think of the timing: The US and NATO had begun to and would continue to fight on the side of Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. Having Bin Laden releasing videos praising the jihadi warriors the US was arming would have been a PR nightmare.

Eamondomc

Brown Bomber wrote: »

No need to apologise, no offense caused. I would like to pick your brain though cos' I think you represent the majority here in that you have a strong belief, which you don't question, why? Because you don't need to, you hold the consensus view, but when push comes to shove you don't really know why you hold this belief at all.

Would that be fair to say...?

I'm not even saying you are wrong. I certainly don't know what happened. What I do know is that we haven't been given the full story when there is/was no need not to give the full story which makes me think that they are hiding something.

Off the top of my head what they could be covering up, or would be a motivation to fake the execution would be:

1. They found out that he had died of natural causes and faked the execution to grab the glory and the polls boost.
2. They mistakenly killed some other guy, perhaps even a lookalike, announced the execution and couldn't admit their mistake to the public.
3. They lied about killing him while they instead captured him to torture him to gain information outside the gaze of human rights lawyers.
4. They needed to give OBL, their agent of decades a well deserved retirement. Think of the timing: The US and NATO had begun to and would continue to fight on the side of Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. Having Bin Laden releasing videos praising the jihadi warriors the US was arming would have been a PR nightmare.

Well I may be conventional in my thinking but that does not mean that I dont question myself or my views from time to time. The JFK assassination has always fascinated me and I do believe there was a conspiracy there. I also believe the Americans do from time to time bend the truth to further their war and power hungry agendas. I would also believe their CIA to be one of the most manipulative intelligence agencys in the world. The reason I dipped in here was to see if there was anything away from the norm on this and this was the first I d read on it.

DamagedTrax

Eamondomc wrote: »

I would say that Bin Laden would not want anyone only trusted supporters knowing his whereabouts. The thing is regardless of when he died we all seem to believe he is dead.

you could be right, as i said he had no more info to offer. but the walls have eyes/ears in every populated area. someone that important would arouse at least a little suspicion amongst locals, if only thru the secrecy involved.

no body is no proof to me. and yet those that like to debunk any western/neo-con conspiracy theory always like to point to lack of proof.. when the show is on the other foot the rules seem to change suddenly.

DamagedTrax

Brown Bomber wrote: »

No need to apologise, no offense caused. I would like to pick your brain though cos' I think you represent the majority here in that you have a strong belief, which you don't question, why? Because you don't need to, you hold the consensus view, but when push comes to shove you don't really know why you hold this belief at all.

Would that be fair to say...?

I'm not even saying you are wrong. I certainly don't know what happened. What I do know is that we haven't been given the full story when there is/was no need not to give the full story which makes me think that they are hiding something.

Off the top of my head what they could be covering up, or would be a motivation to fake the execution would be:

1. They found out that he had died of natural causes and faked the execution to grab the glory and the polls boost.
2. They mistakenly killed some other guy, perhaps even a lookalike, announced the execution and couldn't admit their mistake to the public.
3. They lied about killing him while they instead captured him to torture him to gain information outside the gaze of human rights lawyers.
4. They needed to give OBL, their agent of decades a well deserved retirement. Think of the timing: The US and NATO had begun to and would continue to fight on the side of Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. Having Bin Laden releasing videos praising the jihadi warriors the US was arming would have been a PR nightmare.

it also didnt do Obama's ratings any harm right in the lead up to elections in the november that year. his approval rating was way down, all of a sudden they 'find' bin laden (in his own compound all along), boom boom and the approval ratings shoot up again. guess who won a 2nd term?

Egginacup

Eamondomc wrote: »

I would say that Bin Laden would not want anyone only trusted supporters knowing his whereabouts. The thing is regardless of when he died we all seem to believe he is dead.

He died December 2001, but because he proved such a great bogeyman to scare the bejaysus out of everyone his fake videos were trotted out year after year to keep people terrified. Only problem with a specific bogeyman as opposed to a group is that you can't pretend he's alive and a threat forever so sooner or later you have to orchestrate his death much the same as you've orchestrated his life.
Then just make up some farcical operation and secret burial excuse/explanation and the idiots will believe you.

They wouldn't dare think otherwise.