Immigration Tracking

SuperO'B

Just a random one that popped in a conversation after all the contraversy in the UK and looking for the answer. How does a the country know who is actually in the country at any time? I understand that visa´s etc. would be granted for non-EU nationals but apart from that, how does the government know what EU citizens are in the country? The guys at immigration just wave you through at the airport when you return home so how they know who is in or out? Do airlines supply them with a checked passenger list or something?

WhiteWalls

census

Judgement Day

Forum??

SuperO'B

Well I wasn't sure about the forum but I put forward the query based on air/sea transport into the country which I thought would fall into the transport forum, apologies if it's wrong.

Regarding the census, this happens only at large intervals so wouldn't affect the day to day I believe. Take an example of Joe Bloggs arriving in to Shannon on Tuesday and he's french. He flashes his passport after getting off his Ryanair flight and the Garda waves him on with the standard flick of the hand.

Is there any actual record of him entering the country? I was assuming the airlines would submit a list to immigration or some central state data bank of all checked passengers but you wouldn't know, that would be awfully organised for this country!

LXFlyer

Well given we have a common travel area with the UK, and that there are no formal passport checks (other than airline data) taken of people leaving either Ireland or Britain all that can be done is an estimate.

KCAccidental

It's one of the beauties of the freedom of movement within the EU. They aren't technically immigrants. Just migrants, similar to someone moving to Dublin from Clare.

Judgement Day

KCAccidental wrote: »

It's one of the beauties of the freedom of movement within the EU. They aren't technically immigrants. Just migrants, similar to someone moving to Dublin from Clare.

Why is it a beauty of anything? Why should we not know who is in the country? As I said before, what is thread doing in C+T - it won't end well.

KCAccidental

Judgement Day wrote: »

Why is it a beauty of anything? Why should we not know who is in the country? As I said before, what is thread doing in C+T - it won't end well.

difference in political beliefs, I guess. In my opinion the ability to move and work anywhere across Europe with no red tape is absolutely fantastic and a freedom that Irish people don't exercise enough outside of moving to the UK. Generally though, we do know who is in the country as they would have to apply for PPS number to work and access services.

Mrs OBumble

A combination of airline lists, benefit and tax records, and work of the intelligence service (whatever it's called here)..

Not a commuting and travel question, primarily.

corktina

KCAccidental wrote: »

difference in political beliefs, I guess. In my opinion the ability to move and work anywhere across Europe with no red tape is absolutely fantastic and a freedom that Irish people don't exercise enough outside of moving to the UK. Generally though, we do know who is in the country as they would have to apply for PPS number to work and access services.

it's not a total free for all though. I don't think all countries signed up to it did they\?

KCAccidental

corktina wrote: »

it's not a total free for all though. I don't think all countries signed up to it did they\?

Countries can delay accepting people from new members of the EU for a few years, up to 7 years, I think. Back in '04 Most of the EU delayed free movement of workers from the baltic states, poland, Czech and Slovakia and Hungary. Ireland and the UK were one of very few who allowed immediate freedom of movement of labour to those countries (mainly for our own economic reasons). This is why we had quite a few Eastern Europeans working here in the 00's.

When Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU in 2007, Ireland kept restrictions for 5 years, UK for 7.

eventually all members citizens have freedom of movement.

It depends on the country joining though. Bulgaria and Romania have some image problems with organized crime and Roma etc hence the longer periods of delay. Croatia for example joined in 2013 and Ireland immediately granted free movement for Croatians while England delayed for 2 years.

Judgement Day

Why is this thread still in C+T? If I had started it I would had another ban by now.

KCAccidental

Judgement Day wrote: »

Why is this thread still in C+T? If I had started it I would had another ban by now.

report it, so it will get moved.

BuffyBot

The whole thread is such a mish-mash, I'm not even sure if it goes anywhere.