Any entitlements regarding getting paid for compulsory training

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

I have to attend a compulsory training day for work next week. The training session is from 9-5. Attending the training means I will be unable to attend work (I work 3-11). Has anybody got any information regarding entitlement to be paid for that day? I have a feeling my employers may try to wrangle their way out of paying me for that day, they have form for this sort of thing....

Thanks.

donkey balls

Under the SHAW act 2005 any training(up skilling renewal etc) that an employee undertakes in order for them to do their job must be borne by the employer,The company you work for should pay you as normal for the training day and not require you to work that evening.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

Thanks so much 😊

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

donkey balls wrote: »

Under the SHAW act 2005 any training(up skilling renewal etc) that an employee undertakes in order for them to do their job must be borne by the employer,The company you work for should pay you as normal for the training day and not require you to work that evening.

The training that I have to attend isn't related to health saftety and welfare though, at least I think it's not...it is children first training, which relates to the safety and welfare of the children I work with, but not my own personal safety and welfare. Does this still apply?

Mrs OBumble

Ahh, but that also relates to keeping yourself safe from unjustified allegations, so I would argue that it applies.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ahh, but that also relates to keeping yourself safe from unjustified allegations, so I would argue that it applies.

True that! My employers are so slimy though, I'll be fighting with them for it but that's a good angle to use, thanks!

allibastor

If you are employed by the company and they ask you to do the training as part of your job, or indeed as a function of your job then they are bound to pay you for this and pay for the course.

If it is an added extra which you decided would be nice on the CV or which you asked to do, then they don't have to cover this.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

allibastor wrote: »

If you are employed by the company and they ask you to do the training as part of your job, or indeed as a function of your job then they are bound to pay you for this and pay for the course.

If it is an added extra which you decided would be nice on the CV or which you asked to do, then they don't have to cover this.

It's compulsory training when you are working with children. I am employed by an agency though, and work through that agency for the HSE so things are never straightforward unfortunately. I would rather not do the training and just work that day, I've done it before and know it inside out, but it needs to be refreshed every two years.

donkey balls

Freddie Mercurys Bolero wrote: »

It's compulsory training when you are working with children. I am employed by an agency though, and work through that agency for the HSE so things are never straightforward unfortunately. I would rather not do the training and just work that day, I've done it before and know it inside out, but it needs to be refreshed every two years.

Some time ago I did agency work for a major blue chip company when a licence I needed to re validate was coming up for renewal,The agency as my employer had to pay for the re training even though they didn't want to.
Last year my company sent me on a advanced driver training for 2/3 days again this was paid for along with the other training we needed to do in order to carry out our jobs.
The SHAW act 2005 does not just cover H & S like safe pass etc but the normal day to day work a person carries out as part of their duty,No doubt you will have problems with agencies as the majority of them are a shower of cowboys.

Stheno

Freddie Mercurys Bolero wrote: »

It's compulsory training when you are working with children. I am employed by an agency though, and work through that agency for the HSE so things are never straightforward unfortunately. I would rather not do the training and just work that day, I've done it before and know it inside out, but it needs to be refreshed every two years.

Are you a PAYE agency worker or a contractor billing them through an umbrella company? This makes a difference, if you are PAYE direct, then they pay, if you are a contractor providing a service, then no pay.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

donkey balls wrote: »

No doubt you will have problems with agencies as the majority of them are a shower of cowboys.

Yup, this agency regularly tell people that they aren't entitled to paid annual leave

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

Stheno wrote: »

Are you a PAYE agency worker or a contractor billing them through an umbrella company? This makes a difference, if you are PAYE direct, then they pay, if you are a contractor providing a service, then no pay.

Yup I'm a PAYE worker.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

Spoke to them about it today and they say they will not be paying for me to attend the course. I will be pursuing it further though.

donkey balls

HSA 01 6147000 most companies sh*te them selves when they hear the dreaded three letters ,I don,t know if this affects you or not but agency staff/temp workers are entitled to bank holidays off if they have worked more than 40 hours in the previous three weeks leading up to the holiday.
Also considering you are working indirectly for the HSE via the agency if the HSE have staff doing the exact same work as you,Then you should be getting paid the exact same rate of pay including OT & shift allowance.

Freddie Mercurys Bolero

Thanks, I sent the employer an email to confirm that they will not be paying me, if they don't reply by tomorrow or say they are not paying then I'll give them a call. Thanks for your help !

donkey balls

No bother.