2015 focus van new model vs. current model

Bpmull

Basically my dad is looking to buy a new car derived van for early jan 2015.

Our local ford garage are doing him a very good deal on the focus van high spec one, 5 year warranty, 1 year servicing and tax.y issue is that the guy said that there is a new model coming in November but that it is only slightly different but that he could get him either one. The garage are beating the next closest ford garage by a grand so price the issue. There is basically a 500 euro difference in price between new and old. My dad want to get the old model and save 500 euro but is there any substantial difference between the model as there wouldn't want to be for only a 500 euro difference. They are currently trying to find an old model with cruise control for him as that what it's missing has all the other current extras.

I personally prefer the golf but the vw garages are doing great deals and this ford garage just really wants to sell stuff.

Basically does anyone know anything about this new model that coming. One issue I'm thinking of is he want the van 1st week january the garage don't think this is an issue that they would get a new model and have it commercialised by then that's hardly realistic. The last he needs is to buy a new model and be waiting for March or something for one.

Also any other car derived van models worth looking at.

Tl, dr; whats the difference between the current and new model focus?

JohnBoy26

The main difference is the front end and a slightly updated interior. Personally I think the facelift is much nicer looking at the front. The pre facelift looks a bit dated now at the front imo.

Bpmull

He is swayed towards a Leon now he rang our local seat dealer on the off chance and there throwing in a lot of stuff top spec too and would beat the spec of any of the other vans on the roads.

It's a bit cheaper than even the old model focus; se spec, auto lights wipers, 17 inch alloys, a/c trip computer, cruise control, exterior led lighting pack, first 3 services free. So he's going to look T them tomorrow but that dealer seems to want to sell them big time he already has over 2k dropped of the retail price. So we will wait and see although the lack of cruise control is the big issue on the focus.

colm_mcm

What about a mini clubvan
Is the auris van getting the 1.6 mini engine any time soon?

Bpmull

colm_mcm wrote: »

What about a mini clubvan
Is the auris van getting the 1.6 mini engine any time soon?

I don't think he'd go for the auris as there abit more money and a place he works in who have 10 of them have had a lot of trouble with them when I say trouble I mean the engines went in 5 of them. Blocks became porous leaking oil everywhere. Toyota put new engine in them still though and these vans are well minded 11,12,13 reg all with less than 70k miles.

I'll have a look at the mini couldn't see him going for it though. Infairness it will be hard to beat the deal he's getting on the Leon I'll know full details of it tomorrow when he sees it.

MuppetCheck

Bpmull wrote: »

He is swayed towards a Leon now he rang our local seat dealer on the off chance and there throwing in a lot of stuff top spec too and would beat the spec of any of the other vans on the roads.

It's a bit cheaper than even the old model focus; se spec, auto lights wipers, 17 inch alloys, a/c trip computer, cruise control, exterior led lighting pack, first 3 services free. So he's going to look T them tomorrow but that dealer seems to want to sell them big time he already has over 2k dropped of the retail price. So we will wait and see although the lack of cruise control is the big issue on the focus.

It's the SE spec with the plus pack. To be honest it's probably the best spec you'll get in a car derived van. The Leon feels more modern than the current focus in my opinion, the interior of the Golf is slightly nicer but there's not a huge difference. There is a 110bhp Leon 1.6 diesel coming with a 6 speed box as that's what the MY15 Leons are getting.

JohnBoy26

If going for a Leon why not check out a Golf? Are they a lot more expensive? Personally I think the golf is a much nicer looking yoke.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

If going for a Leon why not check out a Golf? Are they a lot more expensive? Personally I think the golf is a much nicer looking yoke.

It's more expensive and more basic. Some people like that though.

Bpmull

The golf is lovely and is about 1000-1500 euro more expensive but the golf doesnt have alloys, fogs, auto lights or wipers. Another issue is he's getting finance on some of the cost of it vw finance on a golf is 5.9% and on the Leon it's 1.51% so that's 1000 euro difference in interest making the gap more like 2500 euro which is nothing to be sniffed at either.

bazz26

Worth noting that the Focus van has rear doors which might be an important feature to consider. If going for the Focus I'd go for the facelifted model, current model's styling is an acquired taste that has not aged well.

This is the facelift:

Bpmull

bazz26 wrote: »

Worth noting that the Focus van has rear doors which might be an important feature to consider. If going for the Focus I'd go for the facelifted model, current model's styling is an acquired taste that has not aged well.

This is the facelift:

Good point and it was considered he would have preferred the back doors but the cruise control kind of wins out as it would be an utter pain not having that. He won't be carrying a huge amount of stuff although the back will be full enough but all light stuff tools really. Looking at the focus you'd be mad to get the current model so. But I think there could be issues getting the new model in January. He ideally want something he can get the first week in January as as it is he's using my golf a good bit of the time so the last thing I want is to have tho wait till February or later for him to get a van. I let you all know how the Leon viewing goes tomorrow thanks for the advice.

colm_mcm

I can't imagine they'll prioritise selling facelift focus vans over cars given they're all 5 door and the majority of buyers won't actually be driving them so they won't care whether they're facelift or not.

Bpmull

colm_mcm wrote: »

I can't imagine they'll prioritise selling facelift focus vans over cars given they're all 5 door and the majority of buyers won't actually be driving them so they won't care whether they're facelift or not.

He's practically bought a Leon today anyway just pending that they can actually get it for 1st week January. But basically they have that's on the boat and will be in Ireland for 1st week January this is a van the garage order ages ago. But it needs to be converted in Dublin. I don't have a clue how long that would normally take hopefully less than a month all though Decembers probably the busiest time.

The van itself spec wise white, led front and rear lights, low tyre pressure warning, 17 inch alloys, bluetooth touch screen radio, cruise control, a/c, mfsw, trip computer, front fogs, auto lights / wipers / rear view mirror. Which is an extremely high spec for a van as there all normally poverty spec. The deal for January too on them is 3 serviced for 151 euro and the technik pack and some other extras which cost 1700 quid for 151 euro the extras are mentioned above although I've probably forgot a few and 1.51% hire purchase loan with vw bank. Nice van infairness.

colm_mcm

Sounds good anyway, what bhp is it? Assume its a 1.6 crtdi?

JohnBoy26

bazz26 wrote: »

Worth noting that the Focus van has rear doors which might be an important feature to consider. If going for the Focus I'd go for the facelifted model, current model's styling is an acquired taste that has not aged well.

This is the facelift:

The facelift looks very well.

Bpmull

colm_mcm wrote: »

Sounds good anyway, what bhp is it? Assume its a 1.6 crtdi?

That's the downside on them same as the golf 90bhp although he drove a van version today basic spec but was happy enough with it power wise. The focus would have been 95 bhp not really any noticeable difference. He price a 110bhp astra 3k euro more a lesser spec the Opel sales guy even said that there way overpriced and they can't compete with the competition. There isn't going to be anything overly heavy in it anyway the 90bhp focus I had wasn't too bad really although the golf would pull substantially better when overtaking.

JohnBoy26

Bpmull wrote: »

That's the downside on them same as the golf 90bhp although he drove a van version today basic spec but was happy enough with it power wise. The focus would have been 95 bhp not really any noticeable difference. He price a 110bhp astra 3k euro more a lesser spec the Opel sales guy even said that there way overpriced and they can't compete with the competition. There isn't going to be anything overly heavy in it anyway the 90bhp focus I had wasn't too bad really although the golf would pull substantially better when overtaking.

But Claudia says "it's a German" and that it never breaks down so it surely must be worth 3k more

MuppetCheck

Bpmull wrote: »

That's the downside on them same as the golf 90bhp although he drove a van version today basic spec but was happy enough with it power wise. The focus would have been 95 bhp not really any noticeable difference. He price a 110bhp astra 3k euro more a lesser spec the Opel sales guy even said that there way overpriced and they can't compete with the competition. There isn't going to be anything overly heavy in it anyway the 90bhp focus I had wasn't too bad really although the golf would pull substantially better when overtaking.

Check that out, a lad in works one is the higher powered one and AFAIK any of the higher spec ones are the 105bhp. He might hopefully get more than he bargained for:D

His also had the media system plus when it arrived - basically a slightly bigger touch screen on the head unit like the FRs.

Bpmull

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Check that out, a lad in works one is the higher powered one and AFAIK any of the higher spec ones are the 105bhp. He might hopefully get more than he bargained for:D

His also had the media system plus when it arrived - basically a slightly bigger touch screen on the head unit like the FRs.

Ah ok I'll check that out. I think it has the bigger radio alright. They had a demo fr out there in the dealer he'd be out trying to trade the octy against it if he didn't have my mother to contend with :pac: she's the anti changing cars person he the household the dealer is literally in the middle of know where and I would have though they sold very little. But there after getting seat dealer of the year and he sold 18 Leon fr's this year which I was suprised at.

MuppetCheck

The bigger ones got 4 buttons either side, no real difference in functionality anyway otherwise I think. Either way they're a nice van and have a great spec for the money.

Getting the LED headlights (or anything bar halogen) would swing me. They make a huge difference.

Bpmull

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The bigger ones got 4 buttons either side, no real difference in functionality anyway otherwise I think. Either way they're a nice van and have a great spec for the money.

Getting the LED headlights (or anything bar halogen) would swing me. They make a huge difference.

The led DRL's really makes them IMO the basic Leon's just look so much more ordinary without them. Ah no seat obviously want to sell slit of cars in January great deals across the board on all models.