Car insurance dispute

cipi

hello there everybody please excuse my writing and my english.
my name is mario and i want to open or reopen a thread on car insurance topic.

ill make it brief .after 100 spend on phone credit 99 days on internet hours of speaking with gardais and solictors and insurance companies,and hours trying to get insurance quotes and policies,looks like still unsuccesfull.

so my issue(and probably not just mine)trying to get car insurance on multiple cars or ,trying to be able to drive other cars (as it states on the insurance certificates (some of them))and theoretical and practical it s a big bull **** from witch obviously we the people who have the rights ,constitutional rights and the whole set of bla bla bla entitlements bla bla b la ,we have the obligation to pay and pay and pay and obviosly get ...you guest

nothing NOTHING actually nothing good,because we get fines prosecutions imprisonments and etc,even if it looks that we nearly are on the right side of the law,somebody somewhere will find something to make us pay,be it based on real facts or not doesn t matter the ass hole will and must pay,isnt it?

now more briefly i asked all off them that if i have 5 cars do i need 5 different insurances for all of them ?and the answer was yes ...more or less ,even that i said that i am not intending to drive all 5 of them at one time and that physically it is not that possible,they still said yes u need 5 insurances.

right currently i have one insurance and bought another car and try to insure it and guess what nobody could insured me not even my insurance comapany,guess on what issue that i am already insured !!!!!
and i explained them that my current insurance doesnt allow me to drive other cars,and that i have to put my current car in service and i want to drive another car and as a matter of fact i feel like driving any other numbers of cars (let s say 99)cause i feel like doing that and althought i want to get them insured in whatsoever way posible it looks like they the insurers will not help me in any circumstance with no kind of informations or ways or whatsoever;and it looks like nobody knows the answers and solutions to this sort of questions and issues.

now i have a trial in court and i m waiting on ure opinions and solutions if u have any about this issue HOW CAN WE (THE DRIVERS )INSURE CARS IN A MULTIPLE NUMBER (MORE THAN 1 LET S SAY 99)AND DRIVE THEM SAFELY AND BEAUTYFULLY WITHOUT BEEING IN ANY BREACH OF LAW AND CONTRACT AND ETC IF THE IONSURANCE COMPANY WILL NOT LISTEN HELP TALK SUGGEST GIVE PRODUCE ANY SOLLUTION WHATSOEVER...because it limits my rights i mean i can not have 8 cars in my yard and drive wichsoever i feel like when so ever i feel like without beeing in any breach of law or etc.
if somebody knows what we have to do then it s most apreciate it.
ill come back with more news.about the court and etc...laws and bull**** and etc.tank you.

cipi

im actually to angry to write any more ill leave it to another day......im usualy paying to **** not to get ****ed ....if u know what i mean...

was.deevey

Of course you can drive the 8 cars owned by you in your yard, if all 8 are insured under your name OR the cars have an open-drive or named driver policy under someone else's name which insures any driver.

The Individual car is insured NOT the driver.

If your cars are classic cars, you might qualify for classic insurance / tax which is based on them only being used occasionally.

What happens if the 7 remaining cars in your yard are stolen ?

endacl

If it's just a basic job, iMovie should do the trick.

was.deevey

endacl wrote: »

If it's just a basic job, iMovie should do the trick.

Good job, I just noticed this was in A/V

cipi

ok so if im currnetly insured and im trying to get my other car insured and the answer im getting is "we can not currently insure u because you already have an insurance "than what should i do ipad?
ps actually im tyred of walking?

endacl

Are all your codecs up to date? Have you tried opening it in VLC?

KERSPLAT!

cipi wrote: »

ok so if im currnetly insured and im trying to get my other car insured and the answer im getting is "we can not currently insure u because you already have an insurance "than what should i do ipad?
ps actually im tyred of walking?

You should try the motors forum, this forum is for Audio/Visual Editing

cipi

a sorry lads anger got me again:)))))))))) tanks for that

ironclaw

Can you explain why you are in court? For driving uninsured? If so, no sympathy. Multiple people here and on Irish roads have multiple cars and have them all fully road legal and insured. Its entirely possible to do.

Yes, you need a separate policy for all your individual cars in most instances. Or, you can have comprehensive insurance on your own car and then 'Third Party' cover on other cars (For the rare event that you say have to drive a friends car home etc) Its usually reserved for over 25s and contrary to popular belief is not automatically on every policy but usually has no fee attached, you just need to request it. It does however usually have the exception that you cannot own the car in question. Some insurers will give you comprehensive insurance on any car you drive, again provided you don't own it. The caveat is if you own the car then you usually need a separate policy for each car as each car is a different risk (Again, insurers differ here)

Either way, you could have just taken out a fleet policy if you have 5 (or however many) cars that you intend on driving in an ad-hoc manner. Most insurance companies will quote you for multiple car policies but you will pay for it, again the assumption being if you have multiple cars then you have the means to insure them. No Irish insurer, that I'm aware of, will allow short term or multiple 'swap' policies between cars. You either cover a car for the year or not at all. Again, an exception being specific policies for classics.

No breach of rights has occurred here so I have no idea what your argument is. If you are in court, its for a damn good reason. We live in a frankly ridiculously open country when it comes to ownership of cars, the only limit in my eyes is your wallet.

corktina

you can own and insure as many cars as you like, but you will only get No Claims Discount on one of them...you'll pay full price for the others.

corktina

whoever moved it...we have two threads now....

whomitconcerns

so the OPs post above was hard enough to decipher...now with the AV stuff...Im completely lost... :P

edburg

There isn't anyone prepared to do multi car insurance as far as I know.

Your 2 options are insure every car individually

or

become a mechanic open a garage in your back garden get vat registered and then get trade insurance which will cover you to use the cars.

Other than that the codec advice above is as good as it gets

bear1

My head hurts

whippet

i'm no expert video editor either .. but this short movie is quite clearly based on a conventional script .. Man gets caught doing something illegal, Man get summons, Man rants and raves looking for someone else to blame ... the sequel should be just as boring and predictable.

Kenny Logins

edburg wrote: »

There isn't anyone prepared to do multi car insurance as far as I know.

You don't know far enough.

edburg

Tell me who does a multicar policy then!!

As I am currently paying for 2 policies and all main AXA, first Ireland, aviva and couple local brokers etc having been to help me.

whippet

Kenny Logins wrote: »

You don't know far enough.

I don't know who my Father in law is insured with but he currently has 6 cars privately insured .. costs a few quid but it's possible.

whomitconcerns

Aviva do multi car for as many as you want

http://www.aviva.ie/online/driving/car-insurance/multicar/multicarfaq/#Can I insure more than two vehicles with Aviva MultiCar?

Will cost you min €280 per car!

edburg

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Aviva do multi car for as many as you want



Will cost you min €280 per car!

That's not multicar I am thinking that's just multi policies at discount as your all with aviva.

One I am thinking of is is 1 policy that will cover 2-3 cars and the named drivers. In UK used to have one cost me about 870 and it would cover 3 cars I nominated.

Over here multi car just seems to be as above more policies than 1.

whomitconcerns

edburg wrote: »

That's not multicar I am thinking that's just multi policies at discount as your all with aviva.

One I am thinking of is is 1 policy that will cover 2-3 cars and the named drivers. In UK used to have one cost me about 870 and it would cover 3 cars I nominated.

Over here multi car just seems to be as above more policies than 1.

so...fleet insurance then?

http://www.fbd.ie/business/motor-fleet/

edburg

Yes but for private, think this what op was referring to in his 3rd sentence.

Hence I said for him to become a mechanic start business get fleet/garage/trade insurance with tongue in cheek .

ironclaw

edburg wrote: »

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One I am thinking of is is 1 policy that will cover 2-3 cars and the named drivers. In UK used to have one cost me about 870 and it would cover 3 cars I nominated.

Over here multi car just seems to be as above more policies than 1.

Because thats the UK and this is Ireland. And they are completely different markets, practises and options. You need a multi-car or fleet insurance, end of really.

edburg

ironclaw wrote: »

Because thats the UK and this is Ireland. And they are completely different markets, practises and options. You need a multi-car or fleet insurance, end of really.

I don't, the op does, along with a prayer for his court case.

cipi

tanks all of yous for your opinion and your sugesstions .
im in court cause i was stoped on my second car and it looks like i wasn t insured allthough i have an insurance with my first car.wich i think is comprehensive ,and it says driving other cars covered but (they are refering in there to driving other insured cars...INSURED cars thing that they do not stipulate it just says driving other cars...on the book let....and then after u have an accident u find out that it says other INSURED cars (over the phone or whatever)....hence my frustrations....

and issue nr 2.if u OWN the car then they can not cover u or they can or bla bla bla depends on the companies...which is stupid in my opinion,because obviosuly we can not drive 4 cars at the same time ,and if they say well then one of ure other cars can be robbed while u are driving the other then they should put it on the policy .WE ONLY INSURE U FOR THE CAR U ARE CURRENTLY DRIVING AND NOT FOR THE REST 4 THAT U HAVE GARAGED...which i consider to be fair..but at least i have the freedom of driving whatever car i feel like whnever i feel like and also beeing insured even let s say if we have to pay another 300 extra ..ok..


where here at the moment i have 2 cars i wanted to get the second one insured and i have to lie..to get it insured...
1.when does ure current policy expires? a:in february ....well unfortunatly we cannot insure at the moment because u already have a policy ....and i say.....yesss but it s for a different car ...and they say yess sorry abouty that but bla bla bla....(just my case here :currently with 25.plus .ie (aig) trying to get the second one with aa ,cill ,123.etc/...
2.second option if i say that my currnet policy expires tomorrow then i get it with no problem but ..i have to lie dont i?and for what...where is the sense and the logic behind it?is it manipulation?yesssss.....
3.my own company cannot currntly insure me with another car because i have already an insurance....welll....??????wtf....they can temporarly add a second vehicle for an extra 100 euros for 30 days ....or they can swap the insurances from one car to another but i can not swap back.......why??????does the insurance disc gets dirty?or it s too confusing for them.....or......they are not in the mood....or...wtf????my money my life my cars ...or we live under dictatorship?....?they say jump u say how high?.....i
i actually dont get theis one.....u can swap but u can not swap back...

the way i see it...instead of making all this bull**** advertising .."only 269 euro for car insurance..thats cheap...yeaa""they should make one based on some normal criteria....that should allow us to drive CARS and be insured....with some stipulation for ex ..if it s import or whatever...and we should pay for the insurance ...and ..if u do an accident we loose the no claim bonus and etc...

my thing is...i have a driving licence ....i have an insurance ..i(we) should be allowed to drive cars....my car youre car his car whatsoever car....whenever i (we) fell like because any way we pay for it no?i have lived under dictatorship....i had enough....u say that u have the freedom about cars but how sure are u u are not in breach of the law?just because maybe u made 2 policies at the same tiime or whatever...i dont know....it s kind of stupid and frustrating...tanks...

cipi

tanks all of yous for your opinion and your sugesstions .
im in court cause i was stoped on my second car and it looks like i wasn t insured allthough i have an insurance with my first car.wich i think is comprehensive ,and it says driving other cars covered but (they are refering in there to driving other insured cars...INSURED cars thing that they do not stipulate it just says driving other cars...on the book let....and then after u have an accident u find out that it says other INSURED cars (over the phone or whatever)....hence my frustrations....

and issue nr 2.if u OWN the car then they can not cover u or they can or bla bla bla depends on the companies...which is stupid in my opinion,because obviosuly we can not drive 4 cars at the same time ,and if they say well then one of ure other cars can be robbed while u are driving the other then they should put it on the policy .WE ONLY INSURE U FOR THE CAR U ARE CURRENTLY DRIVING AND NOT FOR THE REST 4 THAT U HAVE GARAGED...which i consider to be fair..but at least i have the freedom of driving whatever car i feel like whnever i feel like and also beeing insured even let s say if we have to pay another 300 extra ..ok..


where here at the moment i have 2 cars i wanted to get the second one insured and i have to lie..to get it insured...
1.when does ure current policy expires? a:in february ....well unfortunatly we cannot insure at the moment because u already have a policy ....and i say.....yesss but it s for a different car ...and they say yess sorry abouty that but bla bla bla....(just my case here :currently with 25.plus .ie (aig) trying to get the second one with aa ,cill ,123.etc/...
2.second option if i say that my currnet policy expires tomorrow then i get it with no problem but ..i have to lie dont i?and for what...where is the sense and the logic behind it?is it manipulation?yesssss.....
3.my own company cannot currntly insure me with another car because i have already an insurance....welll....??????wtf....they can temporarly add a second vehicle for an extra 100 euros for 30 days ....or they can swap the insurances from one car to another but i can not swap back.......why??????does the insurance disc gets dirty?or it s too confusing for them.....or......they are not in the mood....or...wtf????my money my life my cars ...or we live under dictatorship?....?they say jump u say how high?.....i
i actually dont get theis one.....u can swap but u can not swap back...

the way i see it...instead of making all this bull**** advertising .."only 269 euro for car insurance..thats cheap...yeaa""they should make one based on some normal criteria....that should allow us to drive CARS and be insured....with some stipulation for ex ..if it s import or whatever...and we should pay for the insurance ...and ..if u do an accident we loose the no claim bonus and etc...

my thing is...i have a driving licence ....i have an insurance ..i(we) should be allowed to drive cars....my car youre car his car whatsoever car....whenever i (we) fell like because any way we pay for it no?i have lived under dictatorship....i had enough....u say that u have the freedom about cars but how sure are u u are not in breach of the law?just because maybe u made 2 policies at the same tiime or whatever...i dont know....it s kind of stupid and frustrating...tanks...

tenifan

Op, I find it hard to believe you cannot insure two cars using the one insurer. Many actually give you a discount for having multiple policies.

When you're asked on the website "when does your current insurance expire", they're referring to the insurance on the car you wish to insure, not a car you already have insured.

It sounds to me that you had multiple cars but only one fully-comp policy, and then drove a second car which was uninsured. You need to read your policy to see what fully-comp policies cover. Usually, it covers you third party only for driving another car which has its own insurance policy.

cipi

tenifan so that we do not get caught up in words...with nr 1 i agree but then they should put it ..."current insurence for the car that u want to insure now,not any other insurance that u have"and if u do not hold a current insurance and then they ask u oo but u have 3 years no claim bonus on another insurance yes....and whatever any way...i will try again in the future ...and i will record the conversations or whatever...
and nr 2.it says "usually"like u say in plain english insured to drive other cars --yes/no ==yes ....now can u tell me what do u understand by this?ill give u the options as well:1.insured to drive other cars with 4 wheels and a steering wheel and a spare wheel (so 4+1+1=6 isn t it)so a car with 6 wheels.
2.insured to drive other peoples cars but not youre own ...second one or 3rd one just because...it brings bad luck..
3.inured to drive other insured cars and if so than in case of an accident who pays for damage youre insurance his insurance etc...(this just came now)
4.....u know..they put it in this "confusing terms"ill try to get some original quotes from certificates...
i might be really really stupid but i can arrticulatte ocer the phone "i would like to insure a second car...can somebody please help me ....welll let s see ...bla bla bla..yes and no and yes and ...59 questions and whatever....
i have my licence for 10 years man...but this days when i get into my car or into someone elses car...u have to get the whole law centeres approval ...and not even them now ..the correct way ....but any way/...im 31 ...hopefully ill die peacefully and "insured"one day:)))))

tenifan

cipi wrote: »

tenifan so that we do not get caught up in words...with nr 1 i agree but then they should put it ..."current insurence for the car that u want to insure now,not any other insurance that u have"and if u do not hold a current insurance and then they ask u oo but u have 3 years no claim bonus on another insurance yes....and whatever any way...i will try again in the future ...and i will record the conversations or whatever...

Wrong. Each policy accumulates its own no-claims discount.

cipi wrote: »

and nr 2.it says "usually"like u say in plain english insured to drive other cars --yes/no ==yes ....

No, it's whatever your policy states. And it will state you can drive other cars that are insured.

cipi wrote: »

3.inured to drive other insured cars and if so than in case of an accident who pays for damage youre insurance his insurance etc...(this just came now)

You will be covered third party only. If damage is done to his car, your insurance usually will not cover it. As usual, read your policy.

cipi wrote: »

i might be really really stupid but i can arrticulatte ocer the phone "i would like to insure a second car...can somebody please help me ....welll let s see ...bla bla bla..yes and no and yes and ...59 questions and whatever....
i have my licence for 10 years man...but this days when i get into my car or into someone elses car...u have to get the whole law centeres approval ...and not even them now ..the correct way ....but any way/...im 31 ...hopefully ill die peacefully and "insured"one day:)))))

I think you have two issues:
1. You don't have the capacity to read and comprehend insurance policies. You should visit an insurance broker who can sell you appropriate insurance.
2. You know full well that the type of arrangement you require will cost a lot of money so you're trying to obscure things by pretending you don't understand. In effect, your first policy should be cheap enough because you have a no-claims discount. Second and subsequent policies for additional cars ARE required and you will NOT have a no claims discount, so they will cost you a lot of money.

edburg

You can get 2 policies, however some companies require you have a ncb for the second vehicle.

I have been through this myself, ended up with 1 with aa and my original car/ncb with 123.

Op insurance is a bit of dark hole here, but I think you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about what's happened, from my experience everything you have complained about is written down in handbooks/summaries.

Yes private multicar/fleet insurance would answer your problems but it not possible. So unfortunately you will need 2 + policies to cover your car's.

was.deevey

I'd be more concerned about the Tax on multiple cars.

homingbird

My sister lives in Prague over their the car is insured & anyone with a full licence can drive it 18 to 80 years old no loading on driver as its the car thats insured. Its the other way around here the insurer is insuring the driver. eg. my brother inlaw has a 911 as a weekend car & when his daughter reaches 18 years old she can drive it no penalty for lack of experience once she has full licence . Also no road tax over their you just pay toll if you use the motorway.

homingbird

A broker should be able to get you a multi car policy from the uk a i was once covered with a company that wasnt irish through a broker.

derry

Yep your completely right to be mad with the Irish extortion car Insurance system .I lived and worked in many Eu and some African countries and never got the grief that I got here with petty rules extortion rate insurance and often had several cars insured at same time

From my memory some decades ago there was a a case in Ireland where a guy owned two cars both the same type with similar engines . He insured one of them and not the other .He had a accident in the other not insured car . The car insurance tried to get out of the claim .The judge if I recall said no way if the guy was insured for the same type of vehicle that insurance automatically went to the other car in accident .However if the other car he had owned had been larger engine lets say double the size engine and the insurance would have doubled then the insurance company would only have to still supply half the claim . If the car was the same size type or less then it was insured even though there was no contract for the other car .Its some sort of legal jargon of implied contract stuff . So just cause the insurance company says your not insured doesn't always mean that is true.
Everything in the Legal system works on precedents so you have took up precedent previous similar cases and the ruling .That ruling might have also been over ruled in later cases since them so you need to verfy if that is the same story today

However that wont work with the local garda on the beat or at illegal road stops .They are the law they think so you gonna get it in the neck trying that stunt with them .They gonna haul you before the judge and he is gonna slap you with driving without insurance even though technically your insured .The law is an ass in this case there is no claim to pay out so they go by the letter of the law rather than the spirt .Its sort of like the football game where they control the size of the goal posts you have which are big and their goal post is net ball sized and moves .The legal system are real crowd of evil serpents from hell .its simple they make lots of money fining the chattlel the joe soaps with tiny infraction rules they invent as they go along .

You could go to court get doe take it higher up the system eventually get to European court of human rights which would probably agree with you and tell the Irish court system to revert to normal European solutions the car is insured rather than the driver .Apart from that would take years decades even cost a lot of time money and effort there is the hurdle to get over you need to have good legal reasons to appeal a local district courts or even the high courts ruling to get anywhere near a supreme court and i cant see any reasons to appeal .

Alternatively you could go into court and say I must have made an honest mistake . Then they got the problem to verify di you make an honest mistake .it worked for the former minister of defense in his court case they threw the case out because they could not establish he was lying or that he made honest mistake


Alternatively if you can get in writing from your present insurance company they would not insure the second car then your probably in good way to get off either lightly or completely with the judge who can see you genuinely tried and the fault lies with insurance company .The insurance companies have special license to insure cars in Ireland .If they dont or refuse to insure you then they break the special contract they have with the state and this leaves it open that the person reverts to driving using the state as the primary insurance agent .How ever for that to work properly requires that every insurance company in Ireland refuses to insure you in writing and the insurance ombudsman has not been able to obtain you insurance at some logical amount .Example if only one insurance company in Ireland would insure you for €1,000,000 euros the contract would be absurd and effectively would mean that it was not in the spirt of the states contract with insurance companies .If only one company came back and said they required €5000 to insure you then their would have to be serious good reasons like your history of crashes was bad or your disability like no legs and no arms would make you a bad driver

dealing with the Insurance Ombudsman is like getting your teeth puled out without anesthetic Best to think of ombusman as the Mafia Don and your going there to complain the local mafia hoods broke your legs caused you owed the mafia the money.
Thats is what the Ombudsman is .
The Insurance Ombudsman gets paid by the insurance industry to block you in your problems with them .His job is to lead you a merry dance and waste your time and tire you out sort of like the bull fighter does with the bull .There are ways to by pass this Mafi Don buts it tricky and not enough space here to explain it but you can PM me if you need that solution .

Anther method that rarely works is beg for mercy from the local Garda .Get the other car insured preferably back dated to the time when stopped and try to explain "no speaky the much English" and he might have mercy on you and bin the offense Worth a shot tends to work better with older cops as they dont have quota targets of wrap sheets to get brownie points for their promotions.The young cop with his first two years in the force has quota to reach to get permanent so they are often difficult to work with

Alternatively think of going to court as going to meet the opponents on teh game of something tennis or football or something.The summons is they invite you to the game and you decide to go .There they invent the rules and your stitched up and lose as they change the goal post play tennis one second and football the next second and every time you touch the ball they call foul and get free kick and score against you so you will lose for sure.Your parasite helper the solicitor (to solicit =to whore ) can only limit the damage at best so instead to get say 500 euro fine he might get it reduced to 300 euros and you pay the solicitor 200.
See how that scam works .

The legal courts game in Ireland is the legal system of England with some minor local frills .
Basically in this court game your guilty end of story and your just in court to pay the fine end of story .They might listen your story and either decide to reduce the fine because they like you or the wife shagged well last night or they might fine you more for wasting their time and the wife didnt shag the judge due to headache.It their game their rules


However the summons doesn't say in the invitation that you cant chose the game to play (this method cant work if you use a solicitor as it automatic fail if there is solicitor there for you ).

If you go down to the court about one week before the court case see the court clerk you can command him to conduct the court case under the rules of the Irish Constitution of 1919 or 1922 or 1926 or 1936 whatever is your choice

In this case you choose the rules .Now your not guilty under the Irish Constitution and they have to prove your Guilt .That is legaly not easy nearly impossible with traffic issues .That is because there is nothing in the Irish Constitution that covers statues like road traffic act you cant be guilty so your off scot free if everything works to plan .
Often they the Irish system has many legal tricks and methods to circumvent that so it is very high risk strategy .
It is most unlikely to work for non Irish national that hasn't studied the subject for many months or even years
The legal system has spent hundreds of years to wrap up the victims so they cant get away with the high way robbery the legal system has invented to milk us of our cash

A sub note you can use any Constitution you want the German the British the Hungarian any they are for legal reasons all allowed so you can choose to have Bulgarian Constitution rules if you prefer and your Bulgarian .It can be even Pakistan Indian Burma Chile USA or even the Zimbabwe constitution you can chose to use in court.You cant do this on the day of court case it has to be done in advance .

Tigger

derry wrote: »

Yep your completely right to be mad with the Irish extortion car Insurance system .I lived and worked in many Eu and some african countries and never got the grief that I got here with petty rules extortion rate insurance and often had several cars insured at same time

From my memory some decades ago there was a a case in Ireland where a guy owned two cars both the same type with similar engines . He insured one of them and not the other .He had a accident in the other not insured car . The car insurance tried to get out of the claim .The judge if I recall said no way if the guy was insured for the same type of vehicle that insurance automaticaly went to the other car in accident .However if the other car he had owned had been larger engine lets say double the size engine and the insurance would have doubled then the insurance company would only have to still supply half the claim .If the car was the same size type or less then it was insured even though there was no contract for the other car .Its some sort of legal jargon of implied contract stuff . So just cause the insurance company says your not insured doesnt mean that is true

However that wont work with the local garda on the beat or at illegal road stops .They are the law they think so you gonna get it in the neck trying that stunt with them .They gonna haul you before the judge and he is gonna slap you with driving without insurance even though technically your insured .The law is an ass in this case there is no claim to pay out so they go by the letter of the law rather than the spirt .Its sort of like the football game where they control the size of the goal posts you have which are big and their goal post is net ball sized and moves .The legal system are real crowd of evil serpents from hell .its simple they make lots of money fining the chattlel the joe soaps with tiny infraction rules they invent as they go along .

You could go to court get doe take it higher up the system eventually get to European court of human rights which would probably agree with you and tell the Irish court system to revert to normal European solutions the car is insured rather than the driver .Apart from that would take years decades even cost a lot of time money and effort there is the hurdle to get over you need to have good legal reasons to appeal a local district courts or even the high courts ruling to get anywhere near a supreme court and i cant see any reasons to appeal .

Alternatively you could go into court and say I must have made an honest mistake . Then they got the problem to verify di you make an honest mistake .it worked for the former minister of defense in his court case they threw the case out because they could not establish he was lying or that he made honest mistake


Alternatively if you can get in writing from your present insurance company they would not insure the second car then your probably in good way to get off either lightly or completely with the judge who can see you genuinely tried and the fault lies with insurance company .The insurance companies have special license to insure cars in Ireland .If they dont or refuse to insure you then they break the special contract they have with the state and this leaves it open that the person reverts to driving using the state as the primary insurance agent .How ever for that to work properly requires that every insurance company in Ireland refuses to insure you in writing and the insurance ombudsman has not been able to obtain you insurance at some logical amount .Example if only one insurance company in Ireland would insure you for €1,000,000 euros the contract would be absurd and effectively would mean that it was not in the spirt of the states contract with insurance companies .If only one company came back and said they required €5000 to insure you then their would have to be serious good reasons like your history of crashes was bad or your disability like no legs and no arms would make you a bad driver

dealing with the Insurance Ombudsman is like getting your teeth puled out without anesthetic Best to think of ombusman as the Mafia Don and your going there to complain the local mafia hoods broke your legs caused you owed the mafia the money.
Thats is what the Ombudsman is .
The Insurance Ombudsman gets paid by the insurance industry to block you in your problems with them .His job is to lead you a merry dance and waste your time and tire you out sort of like the bull fighter does with the bull .There are ways to by pass this Mafi Don buts it tricky and not enough space here to explain it but you can PM me if you need that solution .

Anther method that rarely works is beg for mercy from the local Garda .Get the other car insured preferably back dated to the time when stopped and try to explain "no speaky the much English" and he might have mercy on you and bin the offense Worth a shot tends to work better with older cops as they dont have quota targets of wrap sheets to get brownie points for their promotions.The young cop with his first two years in the force has quota to reach to get permanent so they are often difficult to work with

Alternatively think of going to court as going to meet the opponents on teh game of something tennis or football or something.The summons is they invite you to the game and you decide to go .There they invent the rules and your stitched up and lose as they change the goal post play tennis one second and football the next second and every time you touch the ball they call foul and get free kick and score against you so you will lose for sure.Your parasite helper the solicitor (to solicit =to whore ) can only limit the damage at best so instead to get say 500 euro fine he might get it reduced to 300 euros and you pay the solicitor 200.
See how that scam works .

The legal courts game in Ireland is the legal system of England with some minor local frills .
Basically in this court game your guilty end of story and your just in court to pay the fine end of story .They might listen your story and either decide to reduce the fine because they like you or the wife shagged well last night or they might fine you more for wasting their time and the wife didnt shag the judge due to headache.It their game their rules


However the summons doesn't say in the invitation that you cant chose the game to play (this method cant work if you use a solicitor as it automatic fail if there is solicitor there for you ).

If you go down to the court about one week before the court case see the court clerk you can command him to conduct the court case under the rules of the Irish Constitution of 1919 or 1922 or 1926 or 1936 whatever is your choice

In this case you choose the rules .Now your not guilty under the Irish Constitution and they have to prove your Guilt .That is legaly not easy nearly impossible with traffic issues .That is because there is nothing in the Irish Constitution that covers statues like road traffic act you cant be guilty so your off scot free if everything works to plan .
Often they the Irish system has many legal tricks and methods to circumvent that so it is very high risk strategy .
It is most unlikely to work for non Irish national that hasn't studied the subject for many months or even years
The legal system has spent hundreds of years to wrap up the victims so they cant get away with the high way robbery the legal system has invented to milk us of our cash

A sub note you can use any Constitution you want the German the British the Hungarian any they are for legal reasons all allowed so you can choose to have Bulgarian Constitution rules if you prefer and your Bulgarian .It can be even Pakistan Indian Burma Chile USA or even the Zimbabwe constitution you can chose to use in court.You cant do this on the day of court case it has to be done in advance .

Well that clears everything up

derry

Tigger wrote: »

Well that clears everything up

No it doesn't it doesn't cover treaties and passports and implied contracts trusts and insured exempted drivers and thousands of other legal stories and legal dangles on the angles the rich use to get off these petty problems . Why was Minister of defence able to tell the legal system to get lost .Why was Shatter able to tell Gerda on illegal roadside stops to take hike .Why are the rich getting the 20% the points system suppressed and get away with it and muggins down below get it in the neck .
Because they the rich elite buy the law they invent the law and they know where to bend it because it made for them to bend to suit them .The rich elite coin it as they use the laws to steal your money and make themselves above the laws .
The foreigners are not so brain washed as many Irish are and they call it for what it is highway robbery with illegal road side stops to mug you

Derry

Marcusm

More freeman drivel but of a particularly interesting type. Usually, there is no acknowledgement of being subject to man's law. This particular type seems to allow you which constitution to apply (not that constitutional law ha much to do with day to day insurance issues). This should allow the use of the famous "Pointless", I'll have that of the Central African Republic or Kiribati or Tuvalu. That being said, Derry might choose Romulan or Ferengi.

keithclancy

derry wrote: »

A sub note you can use any Constitution you want the German the British the Hungarian any they are for legal reasons all allowed so you can choose to have Bulgarian Constitution rules if you prefer and your Bulgarian .It can be even Pakistan Indian Burma Chile USA or even the Zimbabwe constitution you can chose to use in court.You cant do this on the day of court case it has to be done in advance .