Are there any circumstances you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

SharpshooterTom

Just wondering are there any circumstances, if it all, you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

For example if I were to emigrate to the US or Australia, and live there for the rest of my life, that would open the door to possibly doing something like that. I would see no point in holding citizenships of countries I'm never going to live in again, and therefore I would just apply for citizenship of my new country and renounce my Irish one (I also have British citizenship so I would renounce that too). Of course that would therefore mean I would have to apply for visas to get back into Ireland if I ever wanted to visit.

Are there any circumstances in which you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship? Even if you were to emigrate and never to return say?

0byme75341jo28

If I was told I'd get murdered if i didn't renounce my Irish citizenship. Otherwise, no.

o1s1n

No, as moving away from Ireland and never coming back is not among my plans.

The Backwards Man

Don't really see the point in renouncing something you have absolutely no control over.

Although if there was a zombie apocalypse and Britain was the only safe haven left for its own citizens I'd invoke my dual nationality. No need to renounce the Irish one though.

josip

If Sinn Fein are elected to government

The Backwards Man

josip wrote: »

If Sinn Fein are elected to government

Leave the country I'd understand (might do the same myself), but why renounce citizenship? If everyone did that we'd never get them out again.

Micky Dolenz

Give up a European passport? No chance.

josip

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Leave the country I'd understand (might do the same myself), but why renounce citizenship? If everyone did that we'd never get them out again.

Yes, you're correct. I believe it's quite hard to renounce citizenship unless you have another one lined up.
And unless you're young and move outside the EU that's quite difficult to do.
So I would probably be restricted to moving to another EU country while keeping Irish citizenship.

As regards getting them out again, for me a country is defined by it's people.
And a country where the majority of the people want Sinn Fein in power is not one I would care about.

bodice ripper

I haven't been back to the US since I was 17, which was yer standard holiday, and I haven't lived there since I was 3. I have no intention of ever living there again.

I wouldn't give up my citizenship though, and to be honest, I know which embassy I would head to first in an emergency abroad.

OldNotWIse

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Don't really see the point in renouncing something you have absolutely no control over.

Although if there was a zombie apocalypse and Britain was the only safe haven left for its own citizens I'd invoke my dual nationality. No need to renounce the Irish one though.

Have you been to Abbey street lately? This has already happened.

robinph

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Just wondering are there any circumstances, if it all, you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

For example if I were to emigrate to the US or Australia, and live there for the rest of my life, that would open the door to possibly doing something like that. I would see no point in holding citizenships of countries I'm never going to live in again, and therefore I would just apply for citizenship of my new country and renounce my Irish one (I also have British citizenship so I would renounce that too). Of course that would therefore mean I would have to apply for visas to get back into Ireland if I ever wanted to visit.

Why would you get rid of the Irish or UK citizenship in that case? It makes it useful things to have if ever travelling back to Ireland/ UK/ Europe. Only reason to get rid of it might be if they were about to bring back in national service or something. Otherwise it's not causing you any harm, and will only be of benefit to you when travelling.

Donkey Oaty

The official government form for renouncing Irish citizenship describes it as a "declaration of alienage".

That last word would get a round of applause on Countdown.

Summer wind

No way I'm irish and that's all I want to be.

Creative Juices

o1s1n wrote: »

No, as moving away from Ireland and never coming back is not among my plans.

I am warning you now; if you do leave and subsequently come back, you will find things have changed considerably and for goodness sakes, DO NOT STEP OFF THE HORSE!

Eutow

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Just wondering are there any circumstances, if it all, you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

For example if I were to emigrate to the US or Australia, and live there for the rest of my life, that would open the door to possibly doing something like that. I would see no point in holding citizenships of countries I'm never going to live in again, and therefore I would just apply for citizenship of my new country and renounce my Irish one (I also have British citizenship so I would renounce that too). Of course that would therefore mean I would have to apply for visas to get back into Ireland if I ever wanted to visit.

Are there any circumstances in which you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship? Even if you were to emigrate and never to return say?

Never. It also wouldn't make sense. With the countries you mentioned, you can keep your Irish citizenship and have dual citizenship. Your Irish passport also allows you free movement in Europe.

The Golden Miller

No, because I'm not a ****

o1s1n

Creative Juices wrote: »

I am warning you now; if you do leave and subsequently come back, you will find things have changed considerably and for goodness sakes, DO NOT STEP OFF THE HORSE!

Haha! Belly laugh moment when my mind clicked on that one

bear1

Wouldn't give a toss which country I live in I wouldn't renounce my citizenship.

iDave

Did many Germans renounce their citizenship after the Holocaust (sorry to Godwin this)? If not then we would have to do something worse before I'd consider it.

endacl

If a new state was founded, called Bleedindeadlyland, and it lived up to its name, and I wanted to be a citizen of Bleedindeadlyland but couldn't hold dual citizenship due to the rules of Bleedindeadlyland?

Yep. I'd change nationality in a heartbeat.

smash

compulsory military service

nc19

smash wrote: »

compulsory military service

Imo this is desperately needed in this country judging by the youth of today

Magico Gonzalez

Am collecting passports, got an Irish one, got a British one, should have an Argentine one in the next few years.

Each one means as much as the other.

Not a lot.

smurfjed

I wouldn't give up my (US) citizenship though, and to be honest, I know which embassy I would head to first in an emergency abroad.

You do know that the USA is chasing people like you to pay taxes! Over 2000 people have therefore renounced their citizenship this year because of this.....

For the OP, would you renounce your Irish/UK citizenship if they started charging you tax while you were living in OZ-ADA...

MarkR

If they stopped making Tayto crisps in Ireland.

Like a previous poster, I've a Irish and US passport. Can't see myself giving up either of them. Are you talking about giving it up to make a statement of some sort? I doubt any of them would miss me!

DoctorEdgeWild

I came close during the Garth Brooks affair.

ManofStraw

Eutow wrote: »

Never. It also wouldn't make sense. With the countries you mentioned, you can keep your Irish citizenship and have dual citizenship. Your Irish passport also allows you free movement in Europe.

This exactly, why would you give up something that costs you nothing and can only benefit you ? (it costs nothing to be a citizen and you don't have to hold an Irish passport, but at least you have the option of obtaining one)

bodice ripper

smurfjed wrote: »

You do know that the USA is chasing people like you to pay taxes! Over 2000 people have therefore renounced their citizenship this year because of this.....

For the OP, would you renounce your Irish/UK citizenship if they started charging you tax while you were living in OZ-ADA...

Yes, I do know.

My understanding is that it is not a problem so long as you were paying taxes in the country in which you reside. It should only be a problem if I wish to return to live in the US (which I have precisely zero interest in doing) and I could not prove I was paying my taxes elsewhere.

bodice ripper

Besides, my dual nationality is central to who I am. To renounce one of the citizenships I hold would be to deny a part of who I am.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid

. The experience of being a TCK is unique in that these individuals are moving between cultures before they have had the opportunity to fully develop their personal and cultural identity.[2] The first culture of children refers to the culture of the country from which the parents originated, the second culture refers to the culture in which the family currently resides, and the third culture refers to the amalgamation of these two cultures.[3][4][5] The third culture is further reinforced with the interaction of the third culture individual with the expatriate community that currently resides in the host country.

MadYaker

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Just wondering are there any circumstances, if it all, you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

For example if I were to emigrate to the US or Australia, and live there for the rest of my life, that would open the door to possibly doing something like that. I would see no point in holding citizenships of countries I'm never going to live in again, and therefore I would just apply for citizenship of my new country and renounce my Irish one (I also have British citizenship so I would renounce that too). Of course that would therefore mean I would have to apply for visas to get back into Ireland if I ever wanted to visit.

Are there any circumstances in which you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship? Even if you were to emigrate and never to return say?

But why would you renounce it? You gain nothing by renouncing it and you lose nothing by keeping it.

Also life is unpredictable. You may emigrate with the intention of never living in Ireland again but circumstances change and it's better to keep your options open.

Steodonn

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Give up a European passport? No chance.

Never for this reason

Irish citizenship dose not only give you the right to live and work in Ireland but all of the EU

Annasopra

Pehaps if Ireland left the EU and extreme fascism took over the government I would.

shruikan2553

I have nothing to gain by doing so, so no.

dd972

It might be a life saver if ISIL lift you thinking your're a Brit or a Yank so nope !

4zn76tysfajdxp

I would if they started charging for water in Ireland. That's, like, humans rights, man.

Macavity.

Any practical reason whatsoever, money etc. I'm not one for patriotism me.

Despite having lived more than 2/3rds of my life in Ireland, I would never take up citizenship. I am British and will be forever (at least until I get kidnapped by ISIS, in which case I will claim to be Irish, or in the event of a major soccer match between England and Ireland, I will revoke my britishness temporarily for 90 minutes).

Macavity.

Deleted User wrote: »

Despite having lived more than 2/3rds of my life in Ireland, I would never take up citizenship. I am British and will be forever (at least until I get kidnapped by ISIS, in which case I will claim to be Irish, or in the event of a major soccer match between England and Ireland, I will revoke my britishness temporarily for 90 minutes).

I'm not convinced ISIL would release an Irish citizen tbh.

osarusan

If I wanted to take up Japanese citizenship, I would, in theory, have to give up my Irish citizenship, as dual nationality isn't allowed. How strictly these rules are applied/checked isn't clear though.

I don't have any interest in doing so anyway.

Macavity.

Macavity. wrote: »

I'm not convinced ISIL would release an Irish citizen tbh.

Maybe but far less likely to be beheaded on YouTube.

Macavity.

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe but far less likely to be beheaded on YouTube.

Ah sure, I'd be dead anyway. Wouldn't have the capacity to care. :pac:

Son Of A Vidic

josip wrote: »

If Sinn Fein are elected to government

All very Ray Darcyesque.

biketard

Not about giving up your Irish citizenship, but your British one (if you have one).

I live in Taiwan and would like to move home at some stage (I'm from Northern Ireland). My Wife is Taiwanese. We also have two kids, though they have European passports, so that's not a problem.

If you're moving to a European country and you have a European passport, you have the right to travel with your family even if they aren't European. However, the country (or countries) where you hold citizenship can overrule this right (the UK in particular at the moment). I know of a few people with dual Irish-British citizenship that have given up their British citizenship so that they could move back to the UK with their non-European partner.

Luckily, Ireland is a lot more accepting of non-European family members, but unfortunately that doesn't help if you want to live in Northern Ireland (but again, you could get around this by giving up your British citizenship).

DuMorph

If one Patrick Bartholemew Ahern was elected President of Ireland.

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The Backwards Man wrote: »

Leave the country I'd understand (might do the same myself), but why renounce citizenship? ........

Likewise, oddly enough was discussing that with friends recently, more than likely sell up and go if the shinners get in.

If they were to start chasing up people up for tax etc abroad like US does with theirs (think the shinners are crazy enough to), Irish citizenship/passport would be gone in a flash.
Hold others, so would make no difference.

DoYouEvenLift

You'd also be taking away your ability to travel and live freely in all other European countries, so never. I do plan on leaving Ireland for good in the future, but I'm sure I'll want to visit/holiday every once in a while.

c_man

Are there any circumstances you would consider renouncing your Irish citizenship?

Certainly. Though they'd have to be pretty serious issues to prompt that. For instance picture the world in the near future, let's say seven years after an alien invasion. Having arrived here in a generational ship (a converted asteroid in fact), they started their terror in Eurasia. Sweeping aside armies and massacring civilians. The war slowed pace as the aliens consolidated their new empire. Oh did I mention they bombed earth with surprise meteorites before landing? Well they did. They weren't that much more advanced than us, and them being fewer in number (although using lots of robots).

The humans managed a few large, pitched battles (think tactical nukes, masses of people hurriedly assembled fighting with remaining regular units on battlefields that stretched countries which the whole place burned) but the end was always the same. Faced with the collapse of human civilisation, the cowardly Irish government of the time strike a deal with the aliens and hand over the country and people willingly to the new rule, in exchange for a few pet comforts and perhaps the luck of being the last to be killed. If such a government arose, with such a backing of the population... well then I'd burn my passport man.

ProudDUB

You don't have to give up your Irish citizenship to become a US citizen, or to live there permanently. I've been one since 2009 and I did not have to renounce being a Paddy.