pesticides register

valtra2

What is the story with this on the ag food site. Who has to register.

Farrell

valtra2 wrote: »

What is the story with this on the ag food site. Who has to register.

Basically anyone with sprayer / licker / wiper has to register & have to do appropriate course(s), as from November 2015 you will not be able to purchase chemical without appropriate licence

Nekarsulm

Applied online about two weeks ago, got a confirming email right away, but no further contact.

Farrell

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Applied online about two weeks ago, got a confirming email right away, but no further contact.

Same as that

Western Pomise

What will be the limit per person to buy likes of MCPA,Gallup,Roundup from 2015 on in co op or likes of an Aurivo store without the licence??....think it was in journal a few wks back.....for a lot of part time or smaller scale full time farmers will there be any incentive to actually register and do a course or will it more or less be lads that go out on the country spraying and landscape gardeners that will need to register?
In my case we have weedlicker and knapsack and treat about 20 acres a yr of rushes....will I need to register?...have off farm job so if it required doing a few days course I wouldn't be able to get time off from Boss to do it more than likely.
Thanks for any insight.
Ps-Aurivo is new name for NCF up our way.

Farrell

Western Pomise wrote: »

What will be the limit per person to buy likes of MCPA,Gallup,Roundup from 2015 on in co op or likes of an Aurivo store without the licence??....think it was in journal a few wks back.....for a lot of part time or smaller scale full time farmers will there be any incentive to actually register and do a course or will it more or less be lads that go out on the country spraying and landscape gardeners that will need to register?
In my case we have weedlicker and knapsack and treat about 20 acres a yr of rushes....will I need to register?...have off farm job so if it required doing a few days course I wouldn't be able to get time off from Boss to do it more than likely.
Thanks for any insight.
Ps-Aurivo is new name for NCF up our way.

We're in same boat.
If you'd a farm inspection you'll have to prove you're not using the licker. As for the sprayer "it's for the garden ".
Supposedly from November 2015 the only chemical you can buy without a license is small portions in the hardware store (woodies etc).
As for getting contractors it could be handy solution but how many contractors & what price

Western Pomise

Right,thanks,sounds like the course will have to be done then,every year there is more and more red tape with farming,next we will have to do a course on how to wear wellies properly.

morana

FAQ at bottom of page might help http://www.pcs.agriculture.gov.ie/SUDREG.htm

Farmer

So what's the minimum cheapest course we can get away with (boom sprayer)?

Mad4simmental

Farmer wrote: »

So what's the minimum cheapest course we can get away with (boom sprayer)?

I had a word with a guy last week about this. The cheaper course ie fetac it will last around 3 years for €200. If you do what's called a Gilles course it will cost ball park €400 but you are qualified for life.

I was going to go into doing the courses on farm for farmers but the equipment to test the sprayers cost around 12k so it would cost around 20k just to get it running so I opted out.

Farmer

Mad4simmental wrote: »

I had a word with a guy last week about this. The cheaper course ie fetac it will last around 3 years for €200. If you do what's called a Gilles course it will cost ball park €400 but you are qualified for life.....

Thanks for that

It's amazing how spending an extra 200 brings about such a remarkable improvement in long term memory. Equally for the 12k, you'd imagine that with a measured beaker, pressure gauge, calculator and a stopwatch, you'd be able to do enough calibrating to allow us spray a few drums of MCPA

GRASSorMUCK

Western Pomise wrote: »

Right,thanks,sounds like the course will have to be done then,every year there is more and more red tape with farming,next we will have to do a course on how to wear wellies properly.

Not trying to be ignorant but I am going to be, abit. It's not about a few guys going out to spray some rushes out whest of the Shannon. It's aimed at heavy users of chems and trying to jump through the various hoops to keep actives on the market and not being banned by some genius beaurocrat who just thinks we should all be organic. This has been in the uk for years and most other places and supposedly chems are so cheap, and farmers have no idea how to use a sprayer so they need to be 'trained' or else they can't be trusted to just load up raw chem and go at 100% rate. Look up tri-azoles and the attempts to get rid, and stop burying head in the sand, poor me attitude.

Western Pomise

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Not trying to be ignorant but I am going to be, abit. It's not about a few guys going out to spray some rushes out whest of the Shannon. It's aimed at heavy users of chems and trying to jump through the various hoops to keep actives on the market and not being banned by some genius beaurocrat who just thinks we should all be organic. This has been in the uk for years and most other places and supposedly chems are so cheap, and farmers have no idea how to use a sprayer so they need to be 'trained' or else they can't be trusted to just load up raw chem and go at 100% rate. Look up tri-azoles and the attempts to get rid, and stop burying head in the sand, poor me attitude.

I understand your point but if this iniative is aimed at the 'heavy users' of pesticides ie cereal growers...then surely there should be a derogation for 'light users' of same.
It's not about burying your head in sand.,its about keeping costs down within a part time enterprise in my case and case of thousands of other PT farmers,if a course takes 3/4 days and costs X no of euro that's a big cost to pay back to your employer for begging and hopefully getting the few days off to do said course.

GRASSorMUCK

Western Pomise wrote: »

I understand your point but if this iniative is aimed at the 'heavy users' of pesticides ie cereal growers...then surely there should be a derogation for 'light users' of same.
It's not about burying your head in sand.,its about keeping costs down within a part time enterprise in my case and case of thousands of other PT farmers,if a course takes 3/4 days and costs X no of euro that's a big cost to pay back to your employer for begging and hopefully getting the few days off to do said course.

Before we slip on a slippery slope to nowhere, it is very important to some things are done correctly. I only need to cite Neonicotinoids the recent removal of which due to ome bloody german farmer growing continuos maize for Bio-gas going at multiples of legal dose rates to get started the ball rolling to get it banned as he had a bad pest problem rather than be sensible. Has caused severe damage to certain crops this autumn ie. osr and has needed way over use of pyrethroids(insecticide) and so this apparent blatant over use will put them in the firing lines when all the usage tallies come in next year. It's not directed at you but just caught in the firing lines so to speak...

Nekarsulm

IF the scheme is properly implemented and run it will be of benefit. But I can see it slowly becoming an annual or bi-annual licence which need renewal, and eventually slide into nothing more than another revenue stream. I would direct your attention to the shambles that are the Safe Pass card system, and indeed the Fork Lift ticket.
I had to get a Safe Pass card as part of a course I was on, and it was a joke from start to finish. The guy running the course skipped 75% of his own course work, lectured extensively on the dangers of concrete on human skin (in your gloves or boots), and the dangers of rats piss. He than handed out exams with questions ONLY about the topics covered, corrected all the papers in a half hour and passed us all. He was some lecturer, 100% pass rate!
We were then deemed competent to be on a building site.