Weanling Mortality

severeoversteer

have weanlings bought in over the last month in four batches

all have been done for ibr and bovipast vaccine on arrival

lost one weanling last Thursday and on Friday went with antibiotics on evry other animal and checked temperatures of every beast, all were 40degrees so I isolated the ones that were over 40 degrees

am out of sheds to isolate anymore cattle

this sunday I lost another beast, was lively up until an hour beforehand and when I came back he was dead, he had a pool of blood out of his nose, and this leads me to think of trombosis whether im right or not I don't know

will get bloods done on dead animal to try and determine any cause of death, I am too far from lab for post mortems

it is spreading rapidly throughout the bunch, and these are 380-400kg weanlings and are strong for their age, all cattle were brought in on Friday into an airy shed.

anyone else having these problems, vet has mentioned blackleg and pneumonia but I think the most recent death isn't either of these

whelan2

have you had vet out? he could do a pm on the dead one.

_Brian

Could the ones with no temp not be let out for Their own good. Worth sacrificing a paddock to protect them.

severeoversteer

vet has been out everyday for the last week nearly

he is looking at the dead one tomorrow morn and deciding from there, no point in post-mortem now as the lab isn't open til teusday so he's gone off.

its kind of a case that we have done all we can do, as the group have got treatment already and there is not much more we can give

probably isn't much to learn on boards now that I think of it.

severeoversteer

_Brian wrote: »

Could the ones with no temp not be let out for Their own good. Worth sacrificing a paddock to protect them.

they were dropping like flies last week when they were outside, we seem to be getting a lot of rain here, moreso than the rest of the country

mild weather isint helping either

and they all had a temperature on friday

farmersfriend

severeoversteer wrote: »

they were dropping like flies last week when they were outside, we seem to be getting a lot of rain here, moreso than the rest of the country

mild weather isint helping either

and they all had a temperature on friday

We had trouble with a bunch of our own weanlings a couple of weeks ago. Lost 1, no matter what we done he got worse. We injected them every day for a week on the vet's advice.
All had high temperature too, even the ones that didn't look bad. Gave them ctc powder then for a week. it's only now u could say they are safe. Fierce disheartening when u are doing ur best.

onyerbikepat

Severeoversteer,
Were these weanlings bawling for their mothers when you bought them home?

Base price

We lost 4 (3 died, 1 put down) in the last few weeks. Vet took some swabs and advised to vaccine the herd again. They would have been vaccinate as calves when the were bought in Spring.
They were fine and healthy outside but two batches got mixed and the stress must have triggered it. Don't like loosing animals but I hate the way pneumonia drags on. You think they are getting over it but as soon as the antibiotics wear off they start blowing again.

severeoversteer

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Severeoversteer,
Were these weanlings bawling for their mothers when you bought them home?

moreso than last year yes

since suckler cow welfare scheme ended lads are rounding up weanlings and straight into the mart, they think theyre great men, neighbour lost a cow 2 weeks ago due to the stress of weaning like this

last year the weanlings were far more content



im fierce particular about it in the mart and wont buy a sweaty weanling or anything that's bawling but this year is cruel bad


from now on it will be farm to farm buying of weanlings for me, marts are just too risky

pbthevet

whelan2 wrote: »

have you had vet out? he could do a pm on the dead one.

This the way to go. If another dies do it on farm. You never know what ull find but it will rule out thinking of extremes like blackleg and thrombi.

Calf probably well ripe now but sure lung leasions will still be there. Never know might find a load of lungworms

Keep us informed

Brass Tag

severeoversteer wrote: »

moreso than last year yes

since suckler cow welfare scheme ended lads are rounding up weanlings and straight into the mart, they think theyre great men, neighbour lost a cow 2 weeks ago due to the stress of weaning like this

last year the weanlings were far more content



im fierce particular about it in the mart and wont buy a sweaty weanling or anything that's bawling but this year is cruel bad


from now on it will be farm to farm buying of weanlings for me, marts are just too risky

Pisses me off as well. I wean minimum 6 weeks before sale. Arrive in the mart with 95% of weanlings there straight off cow that morning.
Do I get a few quid premium for weaning?
Do I fug??? Too many lads buying fooled by the bloom of calf off cow that day compared to weaned animal!

pbthevet

severeoversteer wrote: »

moreso than last year yes

since suckler cow welfare scheme ended lads are rounding up weanlings and straight into the mart, they think theyre great men, neighbour lost a cow 2 weeks ago due to the stress of weaning like this

last year the weanlings were far more content



im fierce particular about it in the mart and wont buy a sweaty weanling or anything that's bawling but this year is cruel bad


from now on it will be farm to farm buying of weanlings for me, marts are just too risky

Been seeing a lot of this too. Wearing farmer cap now and not vets.

Any reasons why this is goong on this year? Hardly was the october rain? But this dragging calves from foeld to mart is a disaster. And they being bought all the same

severeoversteer

pbthevet wrote: »

Been seeing a lot of this too. Wearing farmer cap now and not vets.

Any reasons why this is goong on this year? Hardly was the october rain? But this dragging calves from foeld to mart is a disaster. And they being bought all the same

well when a name comes up on the board that I know and ive had his stock before I will have no problem buying the stock because I know how he operates

but even that isint good enough as having a few hundred weanlings in a mart god only knows what they will pick up from eachother with weakened immune systems


for me, buying off farm is the only way to go anymore with weanlings and vaccinate them 2 weeks prior to delivery on my farm.

Mad4simmental

Can't add much for you but hopefully the rest will pull true for you. Try not to get to down about it most of it is out of your hands.

On buying on farm, it's a very good idea. I bought two more Simms today nice stock. Purely bought one from seeing her mother in the next field and really liked her. It's fantastic to be able to see the heifers mothers and full sisters.

epfff

Cant add much either other than I went through all that as well
didnt find solution tried lots of remedies cant give any one credit over the other
It was gone so bad I used to dread going to look at them

I had to stop buying weanlings this time of year as I blamed dieses in sheds

What still sickens my hole is knowitalls that make it so simple

jaymla627

severeoversteer wrote: »

have weanlings bought in over the last month in four batches

all have been done for ibr and bovipast vaccine on arrival

lost one weanling last Thursday and on Friday went with antibiotics on evry other animal and checked temperatures of every beast, all were 40degrees so I isolated the ones that were over 40 degrees

am out of sheds to isolate anymore cattle

this sunday I lost another beast, was lively up until an hour beforehand and when I came back he was dead, he had a pool of blood out of his nose, and this leads me to think of trombosis whether im right or not I don't know

will get bloods done on dead animal to try and determine any cause of death, I am too far from lab for post mortems

it is spreading rapidly throughout the bunch, and these are 380-400kg weanlings and are strong for their age, all cattle were brought in on Friday into an airy shed.

anyone else having these problems, vet has mentioned blackleg and pneumonia but I think the most recent death isn't either of these

What drugs are you using, if I was in your shoes would be going with either zactran/draxin anything else in my view is a waste of time, these are the only antibiotics that treat mycoplasma bovis which could be your problem

Miname

jaymla627 wrote: »

What drugs are you using, if I was in your shoes would be going with either zactran/draxin anything else in my view is a waste of time, these are the only antibiotics that treat mycoplasma bovis which could be your problem

Have to agree with this, bloody expensive but the only job with pneumonia . Gives 2 weeks cover afaik. I started power washing out sheds more and vaccinating more when I had the same a few years back, hitting anything with a snotty nose early helped too.

severeoversteer

jaymla627 wrote: »

What drugs are you using, if I was in your shoes would be going with either zactran/draxin anything else in my view is a waste of time, these are the only antibiotics that treat mycoplasma bovis which could be your problem

have used everything, I did find draxin good, but vet wasn't keen on using it across the full batch of weanlings. just on the worse off ones, only doing what im told. had good results with tetroxy la on a few of them.
a good anti inflam also to ease breathing helps

the stress of handling and injections is a big factor aswell id say, am trying to minimise the stress levels as much as possible

have 12 isolation sheds that are bedded, just don't have enough places to isolate them all!!!:rolleyes:

onyerbikepat

Have you any suckler cows of your own? I find here, a few cows with the weaned calves keeps them less stressed.

severeoversteer

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Have you any suckler cows of your own? I find here, a few cows with the weaned calves keeps them less stressed.

don't have any cows but am giving milk replacer to a few of the lighter weanlings, just to help them instead of just cold water

TUBBY

Do you treat them for fluke or worms when they come severeoversteer.

only thing i can add is i had same issue few years back cause i did the weanlings with an ivermectin. Few had very bad burden and it killed all straight away so of course they coughed like hell and got pneumonia. Lost a couple but was an expensive lesson with all the nuflor that was used.

anyway since then, use a white albendazole dose and follow with a mectin bout 3-4weeks after.

not saying this is your prob but it might help someone.

pbthevet

TUBBY wrote: »

Do you treat them for fluke or worms when they come severeoversteer.

only thing i can add is i had same issue few years back cause i did the weanlings with an ivermectin. Few had very bad burden and it killed all straight away so of course they coughed like hell and got pneumonia. Lost a couple but was an expensive lesson with all the nuflor that was used.

anyway since then, use a white albendazole dose and follow with a mectin bout 3-4weeks after.

not saying this is your prob but it might help someone.

Im a fan of levamisole if lungworm suspected. But be very carefull of the correct dose. No room for error here

severeoversteer

pbthevet wrote: »

Im a fan of levamisole if lungworm suspected. But be very carefull of the correct dose. No room for error here

what about a pour on closamectin

purely for the reason that it might be less stressful and not as severe as a drench or injection

Base price

pbthevet wrote: »

Im a fan of levamisole if lungworm suspected. But be very carefull of the correct dose. No room for error here

On the recommendation of our vet we treated the herd with Levacide injection (green box) a few days after vaccination. Fingers crossed, so far we have had no other problems with pneumonia.

TITANIUM.

severeoversteer wrote: »

have weanlings bought in over the last month in four batches

all have been done for ibr and bovipast vaccine on arrival

lost one weanling last Thursday and on Friday went with antibiotics on evry other animal and checked temperatures of every beast, all were 40degrees so I isolated the ones that were over 40 degrees

am out of sheds to isolate anymore cattle

this sunday I lost another beast, was lively up until an hour beforehand and when I came back he was dead, he had a pool of blood out of his nose, and this leads me to think of trombosis whether im right or not I don't know

will get bloods done on dead animal to try and determine any cause of death, I am too far from lab for post mortems

it is spreading rapidly throughout the bunch, and these are 380-400kg weanlings and are strong for their age, all cattle were brought in on Friday into an airy shed.

anyone else having these problems, vet has mentioned blackleg and pneumonia but I think the most recent death isn't either of these

Jesus that's tough in fairness.
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot more you can do. I know it's cold comfort to you now but don't beat yourself up over it, sometimes you could have a team of vets minding them an twould still happen. Keep her lit anyway your hopefully over the worst of it.

Farmer Pudsey

Did suckler weanling for a good few years. Do not use Ivermectins. Levicide pour on blue in colour for worms. I imagine a lot of the issue is if calves are not weaned stress and change of diet make worms more active.

Ivermectin kill all worms at once the lung worms go in a ball in the lungs and you have an issue

Levicide is the same as a white drench it will only kill 50-80% of worms over 2-5 days so calf has a while to cough out. Would not worry about fluke this year but would inject with flukiver or trodax if I taught it was an issue to take top off fluke.

Allymycin 300LA or TetroxyLA on any animal that as much as winked at me. No reason to have weanlings inside if at all possible. Good sheltered field use ctc powders if virus running through them( snotty noses or tears).

Was I lucky when i had them lost one out of about 200 weanlings over 3-4 years. Still pref B&W now

TUBBY

severeoversteer wrote: »

what about a pour on closamectin

purely for the reason that it might be less stressful and not as severe as a drench or injection

any of the ones with mectin in name kill all worms straight away. If animal has heavy burden, it is very hard on them and can bring on pneumonia. Learned this the hard way.

micky mouse

Base price wrote: »

On the recommendation of our vet we treated the herd with Levacide injection (green box) a few days after vaccination. Fingers crossed, so far we have had no other problems with pneumonia.

what product did you vaccinate with,couple of my bought in weanlings got pneumonia was advised to start vaccination with bovipast and ibr. Ive never vaccinated before,should all weanlings be done,bought in ones and own bred.were done with levacide inj when bought ,some coughing out of some of them

greysides

micky mouse wrote: »

what product did you vaccinate with,couple of my bought in weanlings got pneumonia was advised to start vaccination with bovipast and ibr. Ive never vaccinated before,should all weanlings be done,bought in ones and own bred.were done with levacide inj when bought ,some coughing out of some of them

Do the lot.