Prison more attractive than being on benefit.

tracking

The cuts to benefit are guaranteeing more squalor on the streets and swelling prison numbers. This is the reality. Take and put nothing back. Is that a fairer society?

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

rawn

tracking wrote: »

The cuts to benefit are guaranteeing more squalor on the streets and swelling prison numbers. This is the reality. Take and put nothing back. Is that a fairer society?

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

What.

super_furry

This reads like the gobbledook you often get from spam messages with titles like "Hello Dear Darling." Just seems like a random collection of words.

SEPT 23 1989

rawn wrote: »

What.

buying dodgy smokes off the street tobacconists

kneemos

I was kinda hanging in there till the DNA bit.

Saipanne

tracking wrote: »

The cuts to benefit are guaranteeing more squalor on the streets and swelling prison numbers. This is the reality. Take and put nothing back. Is that a fairer society?

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

That was a good laugh to read.

renegademaster

tracking wrote: »

The cuts to benefit are guaranteeing more squalor on the streets and swelling prison numbers. This is the reality. Take and put nothing back. Is that a fairer society?

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

i'm more concerned with people having to still buy their cannabis from unregulated sources, especially when tobacco is everywhere and i've never ever enjoyed one ciggy like i have a fat spliff!!

Penny Tration

What cut to benefits?

Social welfare stayed the same in the budget, with the addition of a small Christmas bonus, and child benefit was raised by a fiver.

Chunners

Reads like something that was directly translated word for word using google

dmc17

tracking wrote: »

The cuts to benefit are guaranteeing more squalor on the streets and swelling prison numbers. This is the reality. Take and put nothing back. Is that a fairer society?

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

If a prison cell takes up DNA is it a competent prison cell?

anncoates

I more agree couldn't.

Kevin McCloud

Think ops tracking is out a little.

MadYaker

What the feck are you on about?

tracking

rawn wrote: »

What.

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

Penny Tration

tracking wrote: »

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

Social welfare benefits WERE NOT CUT in the 2015 budget.

If someone is a smoker on the dole, they don't need 20 benson. They can get a pouch of amber leaf.

Greenmachine

tracking wrote: »

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

They have options if they can't afford them beside buying dodgy cigarettes. They can use e-cig, patches, gum etc, or cut down on their intake.

Chunners

Greenmachine wrote: »

They have options if they can't afford them beside buying dodgy cigarettes. They can use e-cig, patches, gum etc, or cut down on their intake.

Or smoke Mayfair blue, they're still only €8.50 which is still cheaper that what it cost for 20 JPB even before the budget (€9.10) lol

MadYaker

tracking wrote: »

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

All cigarettes are lethal.

Uncle Ruckus

Guaranteed roof over your head? Check.
Mod cons? Check.
Three meals a day? Check.
Free education? Check.
Free recreation (Playstation, internet and UPC) ? Check

But you, crime doesn't kids...sigh.

super_furry

Uncle Ruckus wrote: »

But you, crime doesn't kids...sigh.

Indeed. Crime doesn't kids.

MRnotlob606

Tables and cabinets+ the gradual disintegration of the emotional persona of a Victorian toilet attendant + a wax covered dolly with satanic inscriptions going across her forehead+

Bubbaclaus

tracking wrote: »

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

Did you bang your head OP? There were no benefit cuts in the budget (although there should have been) and the cigarettes price increase is badly needed to help eradicate the cancer sticks from society. 50 cent increase every year going forward will do the trick.

Tail Docker

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Did you bang your head OP? There were no benefit cuts in the budget (although there should have been) and the cigarettes price increase is badly needed to help eradicate the cancer sticks from society. 50 cent increase every year going forward will do the trick.

What "trick"? The one where being a cigarette smuggler becomes better paid than being a TD?

Pat Mustard

I'm not convinced, OP.

Prisoners aren't legally allowed to get the dole. Apart from the small weekly prison allowance, how will they pay for cigarettes, to make them better off than free men on the dole?

Also, there's a distinct shortage of attractive ladies and booze in prison. Kind of limits the possibilities for bank holiday weekends.

tracking

tracking wrote: »

People addicted to tobacco forced to uninsured sources, some terrifyingly dangerous is also reckless.

"competence" (first definition Wiki definition) the ability of a cell to take up DNA

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

diograis

Who knew drivel could be so much fun

shruikan2553

If only it was possible not to smoke.

UCDVet

What's all this nonsense about people on the dole not being able to afford their smokes? Seriously?

I used to drink Coke all the time. I did maths one day and realized what it was costing me - almost 50 quid per month, I quit. Now I drink water because I don't have the cash to waste on fizzy drinks.

If anyone feels bad about my plight - feel free to PM me, and we can arrange a donation to help my cause. Surely, nobody should have to suffer my fate - not purchasing addictive drugs that they enjoy because they haven't the spare coin.

TheBeardedLady

That reads like the kind of shit I have to correct at work everyday. Not on the weekend, please!!!

Buona Fortuna

tracking wrote: »

Two recent changes are being challenged here
1. The rate of benefit is being cut enormously and a lot more people ARE going to end up homeless or in prison, and prison may be the better of the two.
2. Twenty cigarettes are €10 retail, smokers of lower income can no longer afford to handle their habit forcing the purchase of cigarettes that could be lethal.

Nicorette

I get mine from Amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nicorette-Chewing-Gum-White-Quantity/dp/B0032TZ2EU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414347366&sr=8-2&keywords=nicorette+gum+2mg

£10 for 105, buy 3 lots and get free postage

Simples

ressem

UCDVet wrote: »

What's all this nonsense about people on the dole not being able to afford their smokes? Seriously?

I used to drink Coke all the time. I did maths one day and realized what it was costing me - almost 50 quid per month, I quit. Now I drink water because I don't have the cash to waste on fizzy drinks.

If anyone feels bad about my plight - feel free to PM me, and we can arrange a donation to help my cause. Surely, nobody should have to suffer my fate - not purchasing addictive drugs that they enjoy because they haven't the spare coin.

Allegedly, a pint of cola each day will prematurely age you by 4.6 years over a lifetime. (or other drink combining fizzyness + added sugar )

http://www.medicaldaily.com/drinking-soda-each-day-has-accelerating-effect-cellular-aging-may-cut-46-years-life-307495
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2014.302151?journalCode=ajph&

Unless it's another hoax masquerading as research.

tracking

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1. Is great that earlier reductions to Children's Allowance are being returned, as promised, hope can be repaid in full. The Social Welfare Basic Rate remainig static is misrepresentation. The term benefit is the figure of disposable income after essentials. Thus 4% rise in the cost of living index not met by an increase is a reduction. Circumstances differ but my "jail" reference is to the single over 50s male or female. Less likely to find employment. Too old to emigrate. Whether they smoke or not, have no quality of life left. What use is a travel pass with nowhere to go?

2. €10 a pack of cigarettes is not going to make Ireland Smoke Free by 2025. Cigarattes from dodgy sources are going to cause more harm.

3, COMPETENCE of the people responsible for the above.. looked it up in Wicki and the first definition was bio-logical, looks interesting. No?

Stinicker

I would argue that tobacco causes more hard in Ireland than cannabis, one is banned and the other highly taxed. Ever been around a smoker without a cigarette and in a bad mood and I can tell you it is a volatile place to be. Tobacco is a drug and we should move to continuous higher taxation, and clamp down on smuggling and eventually ban it outright.

Mandatory x-rays upon departure at airports and ferryports will quickly end the scourge of smuggled tobacco in Ireland.

Macavity.

This thread makes me very sad.

Pat Mustard

tracking wrote: »

3, COMPETENCE of the people responsible for the above.. looked it up in Wicki and the first definition was bio-logical, looks interesting. No?

I'll try to translate:

The politicians who increased duty on cigarettes are incompetent. They are not good at their jobs.

Natural Competence relates to microbiology but not politicians. This is interesting.

wexie

tracking wrote: »

1. Is great that earlier reductions to Children's Allowance are being returned, as promised, hope can be repaid in full. The Social Welfare Basic Rate remainig static is misrepresentation. The term benefit is the figure of disposable income after essentials. Thus 4% rise in the cost of living index not met by an increase is a reduction.

Are you aware that the far majority of people that are actually working for their income don't have index linked wages?

So why should welfare be?

tracking

Thank you Mustard there is a plagarist in you, could get you everywhere.

wexie you are being trampelled by same disconnect from benefit in the Standard Rate distortion, disposable income is being cut but (earlier post) for some to the point they would have a better life in prison.

No amount of raising cigarettes the price is going to make any difference they are already unaffordable, point is dodgy tobacco and the harm way these people are in.

Going to cost and for no good reason "the bootleggers ball"

hfallada

tracking wrote: »

Having a problem with Quick Reply if you have any helpful advice, please post.

This is single post to all feedback.

1. Is great that earlier reductions to Children's Allowance are being returned, as promised, hope can be repaid in full. The Social Welfare Basic Rate remainig static is misrepresentation. The term benefit is the figure of disposable income after essentials. Thus 4% rise in the cost of living index not met by an increase is a reduction. Circumstances differ but my "jail" reference is to the single over 50s male or female. Less likely to find employment. Too old to emigrate. Whether they smoke or not, have no quality of life left. What use is a travel pass with nowhere to go?

We had years of deflation and now our inflation is 0.3%. The rise in social welfare more than compensates for this imaginary cost of living increase of 4% that you have heard of. The type of people in our prisons, are the type who never had a job in their life. They probably didnt even finish primary school. There is very few links between the recession here and the rise of crime. Actually most crime has fallen such as drug related crimes.

tracking

They also have developed a second cost of living index on which to base inflation figure, are the acting constitutionally? There are many levels moral, constitution, COMPETENCE, the level of squalor people are prepared to witness, prison numbers, black market/corporate welfare programmes, the list goes on.

wexie

tracking wrote: »

They also have developed a second cost of living index on which to base inflation figure, are the acting constitutionally? There are many levels moral, constitution, COMPETENCE, the level of squalor people are prepared to witness, prison numbers, black market/corporate welfare programmes, the list goes on.

ahah, the infamous 'they'!!!

If I were you I'd be really careful, are you making sure you're using an anonymous proxy?

'They' are monitoring the internet for activity like yours....You'd wanna be careful otherwise one day, out of the blue you could see a black helicopter with no markings and that'll be the last anyone will see of you.

My 'end of bank holiday fear' is being magnified by this thread

pablo128

Stinicker wrote: »

Mandatory x-rays upon departure at airports and ferryports will quickly end the scourge of smuggled tobacco in Ireland.

LOL. There are boat loads of them arriving. Macker bringing 2000 Dorchester back from Lanzarote is a small drop in the ocean.

I'll bet the OP has never been to prison either. You get 3 meals a day and a roof over your head alright. What you don't get is a choice of food, or a choice of cell mate.

Retrovertigo

In an attempt to understand the OP I translated the post to Japanese and then back again. Much easier to read now.

I cut payment and I guarantee a swelling prison number transmitted by the details of the street and do it. This is reality. I do anything to put it back. The forced cigarette knew the source which the に insurance wasn't hung whether it was the society which was fairer than は in some danger summer, and fitting in was reckless a person. [ability] (the first definition, definition of Wiki) can take over the DNA of the cell

tracking

Retrovertigo your plagarisim days are numbered don't quit the day job.

Remmy

yokes the op did consume , hard to decipher he is

Calibos

Remmy wrote: »

yokes the op did consume , hard to decipher he is

I think the problem might be not taking the drugs he was prescribed as opposed to taking drugs he wasnt prescribed.

tracking

Remmy am saying the €10 pre pack of cigarettes and further madness is chaos and REPEAL it.

RonanP77

I'd rather be the bloke on social welfare worrying about the price of cigarettes than the bloke in prison worrying about a burly cell mate that keeps blowing kisses and winking.

Nobody is being forced to buy dodgy cigarettes. The best option for someone strapped for cash is not to seek out cheaper smokes, it's to quit altogether and spend that money where it's really needed.

All this talk of dodgy smokes, I can honestly say I don't know one person that buys them.

tracking

If the bloke on social welfare is paying for spends that only add value beyond that at which his income is assessed, he is already in prison.

Accepting that €10 a pack will make Ireland Smoke Free by 2025. WHAT

wexie

tracking wrote: »

If the bloke on social welfare is paying for spends that only add value beyond that at which his income is assessed, he is already in prison.

http://www.engrish.com

tracking

Cost of Living adjustment is treated at 0.3%, inflation is 4%.