Need some input into a PC build

kn2k10

I went and picked parts for a PC and was looking for some input into what I picked; anything I'm doing wrong / could do better?


Also I still need a keyboard and a copy of Windows - (8.1 preferably).


Use cases would be:
-Gaming,
-Game Development,
-Streaming,
-Image Editing,
-Video editing,
-heavy multi-tasking.



Here's the parts I picked:



Total build cost: €1,544.95 + €11.99 shipping
ASUS VE247H €151.98
Samsung SH-224DB schwarz €10.59
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, ATX, Sockel 1150 €120.91
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s €47.36
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD €27.31
Intel Core i7-4790K Box, LGA1150 €303.16
MSI GeForce GTX 980 Gaming 4G, 4GB GDDR5 €569.90
NZXT Phantom 530 Midi-Tower - rot €115.21
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance rot PC3-12800U CL9 €73.79
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 750W ATX 2.3, 80+ Gold €99.89
Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition TwinPack €24.85

designbydan

What will you be using the computer for.

At a quick glance of your parts I'd say go with a 1440p monitor rather than 1080p, Otherwise you definitely won't need that 980, I prefer the gigabyte one myself Gig 980

But I can see why you chose msi for the colour matching,

also 16 gigs would be better than 8,

yes an ssd would improve your experience no matter what but honestly a lot of what you should get depends on exactly what you're gonna use the pc for ?

kn2k10

Use cases would be:

Gaming, Game Development, Streaming, Image Editing, Video editing, heavy multi-tasking.

Also added to OP.

Would any of the make an SSD useful?



Also yeh, a lot of the part picks colour match.


I'm not exactly sure if I need 16 GB ram, but the option is there to upgrade if I feel the need to in future?

designbydan

you're building a rig for essentially what I do right now lol

Yes you will need 16 gigs of ram for image and video editing. there more the better in that case !

Here's what I have now more or less.

blue ram
250 gig ssd
AMD 8350 black edition, overclocks like a mofo
You'll really want watercooling for the cpu
Great Mobo - what I'm using now
Unless you run more than 1440p you only need a 970, but get a 980 if you run 4k or multiple 1440p's
Get multiple reds for a raid setup down the line.

Right, the above is some of what I currently have and some of what I plan to get actually as I'm building as I go. Apart from some things like the ram that I picked just because of colour so it still all matches for you.
But it will be far better suited for content creation than what you had before.

yes the i7 is prob better in a head on contest against the amd, but the money saved can go towards better cooling, better storage options, or a nicer monitor.

As far as monitors go, you'd want 1440p, and make sure its an IPS panel, (very important for editing, slower response time gaming wise, but you need those colours to be precise so TN is out of the question) apart from that just pick one you like. I'd suggest maybe 27" again because of the content creation, I'm looking at only 21.9 ultrawide monitors right now for that very reason.


I hope that helps. a full blue theme

designbydan

http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/Tower/102354/Aerocool+GT-S+White+Edition+Full+Tower+-+wei%C3%9F%2C+ohne+Netzteil.article?adp=0&102354&agid=632&apop=4


You'll need a different case if you do go blue insides I guess. . . . .

kn2k10

From what I've read and hope to believe though, there isn't much of a difference between air and water cooling especially for Intel CPUs right?

BloodBath

Don't get an 8350 whatever you do. It's not a bad processor but a xeon or i7 pisses on it from a great height.

You don't save any money on it either compared to using a xeon which won't need a high end board or high end cooling and will use less than half the power.

The gtx 980 is a huge waste of money as well. Get a good 970 like the gigabyte G1 gaming and overclock it for 980 performance for over €200 less.

Even the 970 is overkill for 1080p though. I'd get a nice 29" 2560x1080 or 27" 2560x1440 monitor for that money.

Everything performs much better with an SSD. You should be getting at least 256gb. With your budget I'd go 500gb.

You should be going 16gb of ram minimum for game development and video editing.

kn2k10

How am I doing so far?


Total build cost: €1,522.79 + €11.99 shipping
ASUS VE247H €151.98
Samsung SH-224DB schwarz €10.59
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, ATX, Sockel 1150 €120.91
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s €47.36
Intel Core i7-4790K Box, LGA1150 €303.16
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 Gaming, 4GB GDDR5 €359.90
NZXT Phantom 530 Midi-Tower - rot €115.28
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance rot PC3-12800U CL9 €73.79
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 750W ATX 2.3, 80+ Gold €99.89
Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition TwinPack €24.85
Corsair Hydro Series H100i €106.20
Samsung SSD 840 EVO Basic 250GB SATA 6Gb/s €108.88




Also I'm still not entirely sure on getting the SSD.

As well as that I've been running on 6GB of DDR3 ram for the last 2 years and haven't ran into problems so I'm not too sure on the whole 16GB thing.

Also is there any considerable difference between the MSI GTX 970 and Gigabite G1 GTX970? I sort of want to go with the MSI for the colour matching, and both cards are the exact same price on HWVS.


Oh and by the way, in the title of the PC case it says it is a mid tower (if I'm translating 'midi' right) but in it's specifications it says it's a full tower.

EoinHef

Just a quick note on the graphics cards

The G1 range from gigabyte go through a binning process,the best chips are selected for the G1 cards,so i would definitely go for it over the MSI card.

The MSI looks a decent card as well though and from what ive seen in reviews and such the new twin frozer cooler on them performs pretty well.
And personally i think the asthetics are very nice as well

Still though id go for the G1 just because of the binning process. Should mean you will be able to achieve a decent overclock on it,less of a lottery

Just my 2 cents

BloodBath

How could you not be sure on an SSD? Do you realise how much you would be bottlenecking that system by not using one?

Do you realise how old and crap HDD hardware is? SSD's are thousands of times faster at certain operations and forget about heavy multi tasking on a HDD. They just plain suck at it.

You have a big budget as well. Not getting an SSD would be madness.

Also don't even bother going for SLI if you are using 1080p. An overclocked 970 will get around 100fps+ in most games on max settings at 1080p. There is 0 need for dual gpus for 1080p. Now or in the future.

SLI is for higher resolutions or refresh rates only which you should be looking at on that budget.

8gb of ram is fine for gaming. For video editing and game development it's not though. I do some game development and it's very easy to use 8gb of ram. Virtual memory isn't too bad with an SSD though but again you have the budget for 16gb easily.

I assume you plan on overclocking. Personally I think the water cooling units are a waste of money. You can get almost identical acoustic and cooling performance from an air cooler for a third of the price. It's more of an aesthetic thing.

I'd seriously consider a monitor like this. It will run games effortlessly on a 970 and actually give some value on possibly adding a second gpu in the future. It will also be a lot better for productivity for video and game editing with the extra screen real estate as well.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/73+cm+%2829%29/113764/LG+Electronics+29EA73-P.article

designbydan

BloodBath wrote: »

How could you not be sure on an SSD? Do you realise how much you would be bottlenecking that system by not using one?

Do you realise how old and crap HDD hardware is? SSD's are thousands of times faster at certain operations and forget about heavy multi tasking on a HDD. They just plain suck at it.

You have a big budget as well. Not getting an SSD would be madness.

Also don't even bother going for SLI if you are using 1080p. An overclocked 970 will get around 100fps+ in most games on max settings at 1080p. There is 0 need for dual gpus for 1080p. Now or in the future.

SLI is for higher resolutions or refresh rates only which you should be looking at on that budget.

8gb of ram is fine for gaming. For video editing and game development it's not though. I do some game development and it's very easy to use 8gb of ram. Virtual memory isn't too bad with an SSD though but again you have the budget for 16gb easily.

I assume you plan on overclocking. Personally I think the water cooling units are a waste of money. You can get almost identical acoustic and cooling performance from an air cooler for a third of the price. It's more of an aesthetic thing.

I'd seriously consider a monitor like this. It will run games effortlessly on a 970 and actually give some value on possibly adding a second gpu in the future. It will also be a lot better for productivity for video and game editing with the extra screen real estate as well.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/73+cm+%2829%29/113764/LG+Electronics+29EA73-P.article

I agree with this completely, regardless of if you prefer amd or intel, a SSD and as much ram as you can afford is what you should be thinking of for any kind of workstation, there are both so cheap now anyway that why would you not.

Also I've had my eye on that monitor for a while now, again for any kind of productivity 21.9 will make life so much easier for you.

kn2k10

Currently at:





Total build cost: €1,623.68 + €11.99 shipping
LG Electronics 29EA73-P €295.63
Crucial MX100 SSD 256GB (2,5", 7mm) €91.21
Samsung SH-224DB schwarz €10.59
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s €45.66
Intel Core i7-4790K Box, LGA1150 €303.16
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 Gaming, 4GB GDDR5 €359.90
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - Intel/AMD €27.23
NZXT Phantom 530 Midi-Tower - rot €115.22
Corsair CX Series Modular CX750M, 750W €82.90
16GB-Kit HyperX FURY Red 1600MHz DDR3 CL10 €136.10
MSI Z97 GAMING 5 , Sockel 1150, ATX €131.23
Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition TwinPack €24.85



So the GTX 970 won't have any FPS problems at Ultra on that monitor?
Also, are some games not suited for the resolution? I think I read once that some games can only scale up to 1920 x 1080 and then there is just a thick black border on either side of the screen.

Also decided to drop the water cooling and go back to the 212 EVO, because I agree, from what I've seen in benchmarks and stuff the cost difference doesn't really reflect the performance difference, it definitely seems to be more of an aesthetic thing.

BloodBath

No, it's not much more stressful than 1080p. There will be some issues with some games not supporting the resolution natively. It's easily fixable with the ones that don't though by editing the .ini file or launch options.

Video is the only thing that won't fit unless it's movies in their native format or by zooming or stretching to fill the screen. It will just mean you have black bars at the side for some video content but it will still be the size of a standard 1080p screen.

Be careful of sale items, they are usually returned and opened packages that may be missing something.

If you want to avoid all of that go for a 2560x1440 screen.

game4it70

Change the mobo you have picked to this as its the right chipset for the cpu you picked.

kn2k10

BloodBath wrote: »

Be careful of sale items, they are usually returned and opened packages that may be missing something.

Oh, I didn't know that's what it meant by sale.

Is this a high probability?

kn2k10

kn2k10 wrote: »

Oh, I didn't know that's what it meant by sale.

Is this a high probability?

Actually, scratch that, I'll go back to the originally suggested ultra wide monitor seeming as they're nearly identical.

So anyway, is the 750 PSU sufficient if I want to be overclocking this system as much as is possible?

BloodBath

Yeah it's fine.

kn2k10

Which windows 8.1 are you meant to buy, there seems to be many different english versions

BloodBath

64 bit and you should be fine. Not a fan of windows 8 but at least you will get a free upgrade to windows 10 when it comes out.

kn2k10

The LG Electronics 29EA73-P's page seems to be removed now. Does that mean it's gone from the site for good. I know it was out of stock at the time but it was there a few hours ago.

designbydan

kn2k10 wrote: »

The LG Electronics 29EA73-P's page seems to be removed now. Does that mean it's gone from the site for good. I know it was out of stock at the time but it was there a few hours ago.

It's gone, I was following it and got an email today saying it was discontinued but I could special order it if I wanted. the link they provided to order it doesn't work lol.