Ted Bishop

ForeRight

Don't call Ian Poulter a little girl on Twitter or you get sacked from being president of the PGA of America

PARlance

ForeRight wrote: »

Don't call Ian Poulter a little girl on Twitter or you get sacked from being president of the PGA of America

Did he get the chop?
Spotted his comments earlier... He got Poultered.

ForeRight

PARlance wrote: »

Did he get the chop?
Spotted his comments earlier... He got Poultered.

He was given the option of resigning but refused so got the Ruud Gullit

cairny

Insulting Poluter wouldn't have been a problem, doing it in a sexist way meant he was dead man walking.

Another small step away from traditional old boys network....good stuff.

slave1

Win win for Poults for his new book's publicity but I don't think he'll have wanted it this way in fairness

rrpc

slave1 wrote: »

Win win for Poults for his new book's publicity but I don't think he'll have wanted it this way in fairness

No, was very classy in his response and gently pointed to the inherent sexism of Bishop's comments:

"Is being called a `lil girl' meant to be derogatory or a put down? That's pretty shocking and disappointing, especially coming from the leader of the PGA of America. No further comment."

It wasn't as though Bishop had made one off the cuff remark either. He'd posted one on Twitter and another on Facebook; both in a similar vein: "Sounds like a little school girl squealing during recess."

HighLine

The golf channel interviewed Ted Bishop today. I cant post the link but if you go to their website and do a search, there are a few clips. Can't help but feel it was a trial by media. Stupid thing for him to say but I don't think he should have lost his job for it.

alxmorgan

HighLine wrote: »

The golf channel interviewed Ted Bishop today. I cant post the link but if you go to their website and do a search, there are a few clips. Can't help but feel it was a trial by media. Stupid thing for him to say but I don't think he should have lost his job for it.

Disagree. He said it twice. Twitter and then expanded on it in Facebook. Man in his position cannot say things like that. Got what he deserved IMHO

rrpc

HighLine wrote: »

The golf channel interviewed Ted Bishop today. I cant post the link but if you go to their website and do a search, there are a few clips. Can't help but feel it was a trial by media. Stupid thing for him to say but I don't think he should have lost his job for it.

Didn't go on long enough to be characterised as a trial by media. He posted his tweet and facebook comment, the board met the very next evening and firstly asked him to resign which he refused to do, so they sacked him.

It all happened in less than 30 hours.

HighLine

rrpc wrote: »

Didn't go on long enough to be characterised as a trial by media. He posted his tweet and facebook comment, the board met the very next evening and firstly asked him to resign which he refused to do, so they sacked him.

It all happened in less than 30 hours.

Did you watch any of the video clips I mentioned in my post? In one of the videos, Bishop said that he had been in constant contact with the PGA's pr people and at first they said to him that the reaction didn't seem so bad so just lay low and see if it blows over.

However the twitter media storm grew (yes, twitter is media) after Poulter's reaction and they then informed him that the situation was serious.

So completely disagree with your time restraints on trial by media. Social media sh*tstorms blow in very quickly these days.

alxmorgan

HighLine wrote: »

Did you watch any of the video clips I mentioned in my post? In one of the videos, Bishop said that he had been in constant contact with the PGA's pr people and at first they said to him that the reaction didn't seem so bad so just lay low and see if it blows over.

However the twitter media storm grew (yes, twitter is media) after Poulter's reaction and they then informed him that the situation was serious.

So completely disagree with your time restraints on trial by media. Social media sh*tstorms blow in very quickly these days.

You think he was hard done by ?

Rikand

It was a very silly thing to do

Sackable ? A bit harsh

Verbal warning, loss of earnings and some sensitivity training ? Would seem better

GreeBo

Would he have been sacked for saying " lil boy" or "lil kid"?
same meaning imo, I think the sexist angle is massively inflated and is on the offended side rather than in what he said.

Is yorkie " not for girls" sexist, anyone fired over their ten year running ad?

nomunnnofun

GreeBo wrote: »

Would he have been sacked for saying " lil boy" or "lil kid"?
same meaning imo, I think the sexist angle is massively inflated and is on the offended side rather than in what he said.

Is yorkie " not for girls" sexist, anyone fired over their ten year running ad?

Completely agree Greebo. In today's PC mad world, what term could he have used in order not to have been in trouble. ''Acting like a child'' Oh no, you cannot say that. It is ageist. ''Acting like a lil girl'' nope that is sexist. ''Acting like a balooba'' Certainly not... that is racist. I think PGA probably used it as an excuse to get him out. He should have just gone with the tried and tested comment. Poulter is being a dick.

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Would he have been sacked for saying " lil boy" or "lil kid"?
same meaning imo, I think the sexist angle is massively inflated and is on the offended side rather than in what he said.

Is yorkie " not for girls" sexist, anyone fired over their ten year running ad?

The Yorkie comparison makes no sense. Their job is to sell more bars and make more money. They obviously knew what they were doing when they pitched the ad.

A man in Bishops position cannot afford to say things like this. Also what the hell is he doing getting involved in a social media spat with a player ? Complete idiocy.

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

The Yorkie comparison makes no sense. Their job is to sell more bars and make more money. They obviously knew what they were doing when they pitched the ad.

Its either sexist or its not.

alxmorgan wrote: »

A man in Bishops position cannot afford to say things like this. Also what the hell is he doing getting involved in a social media spat with a player ? Complete idiocy.

I dont think someone in his position should have got involved, however getting fired for "sexism" is wrong.
He should have been fired for bringing the PGA into a personal tiff.

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Its either sexist or its not.

It is but so what they would say. They have no obligation to do anything other than make profits. He does.

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont think someone in his position should have got involved, however getting fired for "sexism" is wrong.
He should have been fired for bringing the PGA into a personal tiff.

Agree with latter. Former also an issue though for the head of an organisation in a sport whose record on gender equality is hardly stellar. This record may have nothing to do with him or that organisation in particular but still needs to be above reproach on this topic IMHO

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

It is but so what they would say. They have no obligation to do anything other than make profits. He does.

Well I dont think it is sexist, either of the examples.

alxmorgan wrote: »

Agree with latter. Former also an issue though for the head of an organisation in a sport whose record on gender equality is hardly stellar. This record may have nothing to do with him or that organisation in particular but still needs to be above reproach on this topic IMHO

That's where I have a problem, I don't think gender comes into this, he engaged in a fight with a player, that's the problem, not what he said.

Keano

It was a silly comment of a man who leads an very important organisation. He should have more cope on. Firing him a)set an example and b)made sure the PGA dealt with the matter swiftly. The guy no doubt got a big pay off and will get another handy job. He might just think before he tweets next time.

alxmorgan

Keano A Legend wrote: »

It was a silly comment of a man who leads an very important organisation. He should have more cope on. Firing him a)set an example and b)made sure the PGA dealt with the matter swiftly. The guy no doubt got a big pay off and will get another handy job. He might just think before he tweets next time.

He had about a month left apparently so good chance to make a statement without a big pay-off

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

Would he have been sacked for saying " lil boy" or "lil kid"?
same meaning imo, I think the sexist angle is massively inflated and is on the offended side rather than in what he said.

Is yorkie " not for girls" sexist, anyone fired over their ten year running ad?

You are mis framing the argument, he used the female term as a disparaging term. Lil kid isn't sexist as its gender neutral, lil boy isn't sexist as Poulter is male.

It was blatant sexism, belongs in the 70s. Golf is moving away from the good old boys club that prevailed for years and not before time.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

You are mis framing the argument, he used the female term as a disparaging term. Lil kid isn't sexist as its gender neutral, lil boy isn't sexist as Poulter is male.

It was blatant sexism, belongs in the 70s. Golf is moving away from the good old boys club that prevailed for years and not before time.

I'm not mis-framing it, I dont happen to believe that "lil girl" is sexist.
The disparaging element is likening Poulter to a child.

Would you think it sexist if he had called Michelle Wie a "lil boy" for example?

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

I'm not mis-framing it, I dont happen to believe that "lil girl" is sexist.
The disparaging element is likening Poulter to a child.

Would you think it sexist if he had called Michelle Wie a "lil boy" for example?

The Yorkie tangent was the mis frame element.

He set out to insult Poulter, he chose to do this by comparing his behaviour to that of a girls, calling up an old stereotype of women as over emotional etc.

He could as you say have said lil kid.....he chose to go for 'girl' and didn't apologise when it was pointed out to him.

Reversing the genders could also be sexist but it depends on the context.

The sexism is pretty clear to me but if you can't see it then you can't see it.

charlieIRL

I think it was a pathetic comment he made and to post it twice.....on 2 social media sites.....he deserved what he got.

kiers47

alxmorgan wrote: »

He had about a month left apparently so good chance to make a statement without a big pay-off

It is an unpaid position.

He is fairly minted anyway he doesn't need the money.

ForeRight

If you are in his position why would you even be doing social media. Nothing positive can come of it.

alxmorgan

kiers47 wrote: »

It is an unpaid position.

He is fairly minted anyway he doesn't need the money.

Earned every penny.

kiers47

alxmorgan wrote: »

Earned every penny.

Ya he worked his way up the ladder alright. Hard working guy I'd say from what I've read.

It all seems a bit much to me. The corruption that goes on in other sports and golf goes mad over a lil girl comment. It's a bit of a **** storm in a tea cup.

dines08

Had very little time left in the job. Don't think he would of got the chop if he had a year left rather than the month he had remaining