Nokia officially dead!

theteal

Not exactly big news as they've been effectively dead for quite a while. Anyway MS have pulled the plug :eek:

Lets all reminisce about our old nokia phones - i must admit to never owning one (even though I worked in the business for over 7 years!)

yipeeeee

Amazing how they just went from been the best phones around to the least favoured.

The_Valeyard

3210, did the job.

salamanca22

Ohh man this is is sad. 3210 was my first mobile phone followed by the 3200 as my first camera phone and the n95 as my first really expensive phone!

Celly Smunt

What a shame,its amazing when you take a look at the power of branding. The best quality handset manufacturer being put out of business by inferior products hardware wise.

However,this might be a move on behalf of Microsoft entering the phone market directly considering they practically bought Nokia out.

Id expect a few Microsoft phone concept models appearing soon to make windows phone a strong contender with the release of 10. So maybe its nothing more than a rebrand under the surface.

The One Doctor

I worked for Microsoft in the app business for a while and it was obvious that they'd made the wrong choice. They bought a dying phone company cheap and thought they got a bargain, while everyone knew they were being idiots.

Celly Smunt

The One Doctor wrote: »

I worked for Microsoft in the app business for a while and it was obvious that they'd made the wrong choice. They bought a dying phone company cheap and thought they got a bargain, while everyone knew they were being idiots.

Well they own all the infrastructure now, the debts effectively die with Nokia. So it could be argued that from the launch the buying of Nokia was an intention to fail the business before the implementation of Microsoft phones directly onto the market with a brand spanking new OS.

Liquidate the assets and buy back at a discount.

The Nokia deal was never going to be a long term investment although I must day Nokia have produced some cracking phones over the last few years.The 1320 and 1020 in particular are two that spring to mind, with the 1020 being pretty much a conceptual device.

Ardent

Stark lessons for any business here, you need the continuously innovate, adapt and change with the times. The N95 was a huge seller for them, but it was all downhill from there.

I think the Symbian OS really killed them. They should have a developed an alternative for smart phones, which I think they tried to do with Meego (or whatever it was called) but it was too late.

theteal

Celly Smunt wrote: »

What a shame,its amazing when you take a look at the power of branding. The best quality handset manufacturer being put out of business by inferior products hardware wise.

The power of branding indeed - I never got the Nokia were "the best quality handset manufacturer" thing that some people constantly referred to. Like I said, in over 7 years (from part-time to management - how sad!) dealing with handsets on a daily basis, I never thought to buy a nokia myself (i was given a couple but they didn't last long) and I never saw this supposed better quality.

Allyall

I think the bigger picture is that Microsoft are screwed...

Gael23

Its startling to see what was once an amazingly powerful brand bite the dust

ukoda

it was always microsofts intention to kill the nokia brand and now they are just Windows branded, no change to anything else other than the brand

jester77

Sad demise, they stuck with Symbian too long. It was fantastic for its time, but they were too slow to change. Their hardware was awesome, I remember the first phone they released with snake, 6XXX can't remember the full number, it had that beautiful case that changed colour in the sunlight. That was the first Nokia I had and stuck with them until the smartphone era started.

Celly Smunt

theteal wrote: »

The power of branding indeed - I never got the Nokia were "the best quality handset manufacturer" thing that some people constantly referred to. Like I said, in over 7 years (from part-time to management - how sad!) dealing with handsets on a daily basis, I never thought to buy a nokia myself (i was given a couple but they didn't last long) and I never saw this supposed better quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEahsoa_N4

That is all.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

How exactly are Microsoft screwed?

Allyall wrote: »

I think the bigger picture is that Microsoft are screwed...

ukoda

Patrick Teeny Mandrake wrote: »

How exactly are Microsoft screwed?

http://blogs.imediaconnection.com/blog/2014/03/25/the-decline-of-microsoft-is-there-hope/

In general they are in trouble.
Windows 8 was a flop
Windows phone is flopping
Xbox One sales are slow

But they'll pull through Id imagine

Allyall

Patrick Teeny Mandrake wrote: »

How exactly are Microsoft screwed?

Surface not selling anywhere near as well as they expected..
Price cut on the Xbox 3 times, (Possibly 4?), and it's still not doing great.
Sales on Laptops/PC's are down massively in the last couple of years, and that is where microsoft made most of their money in the last 20 or 30. Instead of giving the consumer a reason to buy PC's over tablets, or a reason to buy a laptop/PC full stop, they created a reason not to buy them, by making them more complex to the average user.
Windows 8 flopped, and rushing out windows 8.1 didn't help.

Ballmer stepping down because he couldn't move fast enough to apply all the changes that were needed quickly, to help Microsoft.

Financially, they may be okay, but unless they can turn things around quickly, they are going to lose quite a big chunk of that and it probably won't take as long as it did to make it.
In that sense, they are screwed.

Allyall

http://online.wsj.com/articles/microsofts-cloud-growth-continues-1414095291

Tom Dunne

Allyall wrote: »

In that sense, they are screwed.

What about revenue from Office? Developer tools? Server OS? Azure? While the consumer facing aspect of Microsoft isn't doing too well, they are still cleaning up in the corporate world.

Back on topic, it is sad to see Nokia go, but that's what happens in the IT/telecomms market if you rest on your laurels.

Dan_Solo

Went through several Nokia, right up to he N97 Mini. It was an OK phone, all it really needed was a capacitive screen. You could see the apps availability dropping off a cliff though as Android took off.
WP too expensive for me as I can get PAYG Androids that do everything I need and more for €100ish. Too locked up for my liking too, same as iOS.
Microsoft dying? More day/wet dreaming!

wilser

Dan_Solo wrote: »

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WP too expensive for me as I can get PAYG Androids that do everything I need and more for €100ish. Too locked up for my liking too, same as iOS.
Microsoft dying? More day/wet dreaming!

Erm you can get wp for €100ish will perform better than its android competitor

markad1

When Nokia pulled out of meego and stuck with symbian it was the start of the end. If they had of put android on their mobiles they would have sold a lot more.
But what would I know I'm only an ex customer

Amalgam

What happens to the Nokia patent war chest, I wonder? They have a huge trove of patents for the nitty gritty side of phones.. Antennas, radio tech, cell tower, etc..

If you own a phone, part of the price goes to, 'Nokia'.

I bought my first Nokia, a 3210, on Christmas Eve, 1999, Totterdell's, Dun Laoghaire.. They had closed and were counting the takings.. I hummed and hawed and settled on an Eircell pack. Between £140 and £180, I don't remember. Still using the same number.

Great feel to the 3210, in the hand, some heft to it, thanks to the battery. Great ergonomics and design. Bad antenna. (powder coated plastic back plate)

jimmynokia

Nokia is not dead,wait till tomorrow folks,big suprise coming.

Allyall

jimmynokia wrote: »

Nokia is not dead,wait till tomorrow folks,big suprise coming.

That's the new line of Microsoft phones? :pac:

uck51js9zml2yt

I bought a 625 for my wife a few months ago when on sale in CPW for Christmas. What do I do with it now?

The anguish of having an obsolete phone.. Woe is me

SeaDaily

Ford Defeated Theme wrote: »

I bought a 625 for my wife a few months ago when on sale in CPW for Christmas. What do I do with it now?

The anguish of having an obsolete phone.. Woe is me

What are you talking about? The phone isnt obsolete they haven't discontinued windows phone, in fact all that's going to happen is the nokia logo will disappear off the phones.

ardle1

'Nokia' Stupid ageing Name but by far the best handset's.. Lumia beats all mobile phones hands down.
It seems to be just a branding issue!

uck51js9zml2yt

SeaDaily wrote: »

What are you talking about? The phone isnt obsolete they haven't discontinued windows phone, in fact all that's going to happen is the nokia logo will disappear off the phones.

Hence the irony of my post and the smiley.


But thanks for your concern

SeaDaily

Ford Defeated Theme wrote: »

Hence the irony of my post and the smiley.


But thanks for your concern

Still don't get the point of your post, was it meant to be funny?

jimmynokia

Allyall wrote: »

That's the new line of Microsoft phones? :pac:

100% No. You will be very suprised.:D

wilser

jimmynokia wrote: »

100% No. You will be very suprised.:D

Anything yet?

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I'm guessing this is the announcement today?

"Nokia wants other companies to pay for its iconic brand"

jimmynokia

All will be revealed tomorrow.

SeaDaily

jimmynokia wrote: »

All will be revealed tomorrow.

That's what you said yesterday.

jimmynokia

SeaDaily wrote: »

That's what you said yesterday.

Got my dates mixed up Sh1t happens..

Allyall

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nokia-november-18-announcement-slush-2014/

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/17/nokia-black-box-hardware/

http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-in-the-box-nokia-is-up-to-something-with-mystery-black-box/

http://geekongadgets.com/2014/11/16/whats-next-nokia-event-tuesday-november-18th/

https://twitter.com/nokia

g0g

Any chance it's a smart watch, or is that included in the list of things they can't make for a couple of years?

the_syco

ukoda wrote: »

it was always microsofts intention to kill the nokia brand and now they are just Windows branded, no change to anything else other than the brand

I'm thinking it'll just brand nokia phones as Windows phones. As per the below

Allyall wrote: »

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nokia-november-18-announcement-slush-2014/
Nokia sold its Devices division to Microsoft earlier this year, and along with it, the right to use its name on mobile hardware, whether smart or dumb, until late 2016.

all Nokia phones get turned into Windows phones over a gradual phase, and then Windows phones will be owned by Microsoft. Then in late 2016, Nokia makes a comeback.

I'm wondering if the box will an Android or Linux machine? They could probably link their existing knowledge of telecommunications and experience of a Debian system, to produce a video conferencing tool of some sort?

Allyall

I remember Nokia had something to do with wellington boots?

Are they the only ones still legally allowed to use the name, or did Microsoft allow a tech company to use it?

the_syco

Allyall wrote: »

Are they the only ones still legally allowed to use the name, or did Microsoft allow a tech company to use it?

They can't use it in connection with phones until late 2016. Pretty sure they can use it for other items?

Lucena

Does this mean my 'Vodka: Connecting People' t-shirt is now obsolete?

g0g

An Android Tablet

Pity, I always loved Nokia and that convinced me to move to Windows Phone. Now that I'm settled on WP, Nokia feic off to the other side!!!

salamanca22

Meh

the_syco

64-bit Intel® quad-core processor

So, it'll probably have more than 4GB's of RAM. Price will be the main sink or swim pointer, I think.

ScumLord

Celly Smunt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEahsoa_N4

That is all.

The 920 was a great phone, it was like the good old days of phones you could use to hammer a nail in.

I "upgraded" to the 930 and it's a ball of shyte. I'm on my second one of them and it's also broke and going back.

I'm surprised Microsoft didn't want to keep the Nokia name, I'd rather buy a Nokia than a Microsoft phone. I was very pleased to go back to Nokia when they got the Windows OS. But after that 930 I think I'll be looking at HTC again.

Francie Barrett

I think getting into bed with Foxconn was the right idea. Whether you like Apple or not, you have to admit they make gorgeous hardware and it's no shame to copy it. While some will be happy with vanilla Android, I think an opportunity was lost here. Would love to have seen them talk to Jolla about getting Sailfish on this.

Allyall

ScumLord wrote: »

The 920 was a great phone, it was like the good old days of phones you could use to hammer a nail in.

I "upgraded" to the 930 and it's a ball of shyte. I'm on my second one of them and it's also broke and going back.

I'm surprised Microsoft didn't want to keep the Nokia name, I'd rather buy a Nokia than a Microsoft phone. I was very pleased to go back to Nokia when they got the Windows OS. But after that 930 I think I'll be looking at HTC again.

Nokia Name with Dragontrail Glass could have cemented Nokia's status as "indestructible". Using sailfish bloatware/adware free OS could have been the dealbreaker (It would have for been for me).

Microsoft Windows Phone, is less impressive, but it doesn't even make me think any of the above, It's a different direction entirely, than where I would have liked to see/expected to see Nokia go.

braddun

not dead they are brining out tablets

Sh1tbag OToole

braddun wrote: »

not dead they are brining out tablets

Not much effort went into it on Nokia's part, they pretty much asked their buddies over in China, "Hey lads come up with an ould tablet for us there, throw Android on it, alright? Now here's the important part: we want the letters 'N' 'O' 'K' 'I' 'A' printed on it somewhere. Doesn't matter where"

jimmynokia

And who makes apples ipad ??