Human batteries

shanered

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/jewelry-harvests-energy-wearers

Just read this article, how long till they plug us into the matrix?
Or worse still, implant sensors to make sure we aren't doing anything illegal or come into contact with any illegal substances.

For example:

Homeland Security
The 9/11 terrorist attacks added to the urgency of developing a new generation of sensors capable
of detecting chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents. Although sensor development has been
ongoing for years, a deployable sensor network that can accurately discriminate among multiple CBW
agents does not yet exist [55]. New molecular recognition elements with improved specificity are
needed for biological warfare agents [45]. Bioelectronics could improve the state-of-the-art by creating
novel sensors that have increased specificity and sensitivity and that can be tightly integrated with
semiconductor technology, making distributed sensor networks a reality.
Another need in the homeland security arena is novel therapeutics in the event of a CBW attack.
Bioelectronics could facilitate this too, by enabling new screening and detection tools for identifying
promising drug leads. Among the areas in which bioelectronics can play an important role are:
Detecting chemical or biological agents,
Discovering the mechanism of action for agents, and
Helping develop novel therapeutics, rapidly.

Source: A Framework for BIOELECTRONICS Discovery and Innovation

Are we just being set up as energy harvesters for the Annunaki?

Thoughts?:cool:

degrassinoel

Already being done with regards to personal monitoring, maybe not so nefarious but there nonetheless.

Police ankle monitors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankle_monitor

Pets get chipped every day - i know it's not the same thing but it would count as monitoring too.

The battery is an interesting concept though, but i cant see the human body being better than a natural renewable energy source either. Solar, wind, hydro etc..

Undergod

If you wanted to harvest huge amounts of energy, it's less efficient to feed people and then harvest the energy from them than it is to just burn the food in the first place and get the energy directly.

Beano

I'm afraid you are going to have completely disregard the laws of physics if you want to use humans as batterys. We are incredibly inefficient machines.

shanered

Beano wrote: »

I'm afraid you are going to have completely disregard the laws of physics if you want to use humans as batterys. We are incredibly inefficient machines.

We're apparently more effeicient than cars!

Look check the physics! :-p

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/mpg-of-a-human/

Beano

shanered wrote: »

We're apparently more effeicient than cars!

Look check the physics! :-p

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/mpg-of-a-human/

well unless we are more than 100% efficienct what is the benefit?

Beano

shanered wrote: »

We're apparently more effeicient than cars!

Look check the physics! :-p

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/mpg-of-a-human/

But at about 25% efficiency, we’re surprisingly good considering that most cars are around 20%,

yeah, that is really efficient.

Torakx

I don't buy the human battery idea just yet, but that last link(in the original post) regarding sound, was a great watch.
Enough for a whole new thread topic imo.

shanered

Beano wrote: »

well unless we are more than 100% efficienct what is the benefit?

You seems to not grasp the concept, which is a pity.
If you honestly think there is no benefit i think ill refain from entertaining you further..

And what is more than 100 % efficient?

I could almost start a conspiriacy theory on your comments dear beano...

Anyways, at least your enjoying the thread!
;-)

Undergod

shanered wrote: »

We're apparently more effeicient than cars!

Look check the physics! :-p

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/mpg-of-a-human/

Right, okay, but filling a car full of petrol and then turning it on to use the wheels to drive a turbine would be less efficient than actually using a petrol-powered generator. It's still a silly idea, basic physics shows you using humans as a power source is wildly inefficient.

shanered

Undergod wrote: »

Right, okay, but filling a car full of petrol and then turning it on to use the wheels to drive a turbine would be less efficient than actually using a petrol-powered generator. It's still a silly idea, basic physics shows you using humans as a power source is wildly inefficient.

Your petrol anology isn't exactly spot on in terms of why the human body is so ineffiecent.

You see every human is a current powersource once their heart is still beating , the whole efficiency part doesn't even enter into the arguement, you can use your analogy of petrol in a car verses a petrol generator but it doesnt get to the point, (ill try use your analogy for the craic) the petrol is already in the car and though its roughly 25% efficeint it requires no fuel for the purpose of generating power as the fuel is already used in the act of our survival, ie eating.

And you are saying basic physics tells us humans are inefficient as power sources, could you show me some of this basic physics?

If you mean the likes of nucleur fusion and the human metabolic system in comparison fair enough, but if your saying there is no point in harnessing a small amount of power individually and its a silly idea fair enough again, its your opinion, but i believe people that would be so dismissive of ideas like this normally are not the creative type.

There imo be great potential if each person having small power generating capabilities straight from their own bodies. Regardless of how efficient the power generating process would be it would coming from food which is going to be consumed one way or the other...

shanered

shanered wrote: »

Your petrol anology isn't exactly spot on in terms of why the human body is so ineffiecent.

You see every human is a current powersource once their heart is still beating , the whole efficiency part doesn't even enter into the arguement, you can use your analogy of petrol in a car verses a petrol generator but it doesnt get to the point, (ill try use your analogy for the craic) the petrol is already in the car and though its roughly 25% efficeint it requires no fuel for the purpose of generating power as the fuel is already used in the act of our survival, ie eating.

A car turns the chemical energy from petrol pretty much straight into mechanical motion.
A human turns chemical energy from food into a lot more than moving their legs.
So while a human might be more energy efficient than a car, they are not better at producing energy can can be readily turned into electricity.

A car (and other generators) can run constantly and steadily for as long as it has fuel. There's a reason we don't use horses in giant hamster wheels for energy or why they use generators and not cars in power plants.

And then the food to fuel humans is harder and more expensive to produce than it is to extract oil and coal.
In fact it takes far more energy to produce the food for one person than the energy that one person could ever produce.

Even ignoring all those things, why then use humans rather than horses or cows which would be far more convenient than establishing a conspiracy.

Undergod

shanered wrote: »

Your petrol anology isn't exactly spot on in terms of why the human body is so ineffiecent.

You see every human is a current powersource once their heart is still beating ,

How are they a current powersource? And why waste the energy required to beat their heart?

shanered wrote: »

the whole efficiency part doesn't even enter into the arguement, you can use your analogy of petrol in a car verses a petrol generator but it doesnt get to the point, (ill try use your analogy for the craic) the petrol is already in the car and though its roughly 25% efficeint it requires no fuel for the purpose of generating power as the fuel is already used in the act of our survival, ie eating.

...yeah. The fuel is used for our survival, so it doesn't generate energy.

shanered wrote: »

And you are saying basic physics tells us humans are inefficient as power sources, could you show me some of this basic physics?

You can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it; thermodynamics, right? The chemical exchange that turns food into energy we use is basically the same as burning the food. Considering that some of the energy will go to keeping the human alive, including beating the heart as you already pointed out, you'd be more efficient to just directly burn the food.

shanered wrote: »

If you mean the likes of nucleur fusion and the human metabolic system in comparison fair enough, but if your saying there is no point in harnessing a small amount of power individually and its a silly idea fair enough again, its your opinion, but i believe people that would be so dismissive of ideas like this normally are not the creative type.

Nice ad hominem bro. I'm dismissive of it for reasons I've clearly articulated; I'm not rejecting it out of hand, I'm rejecting it because it's a bad idea.

shanered wrote: »

There imo be great potential if each person having small power generating capabilities straight from their own bodies. Regardless of how efficient the power generating process would be it would coming from food which is going to be consumed one way or the other...

You'd be better off just straight up burning the food - though that would be fairly inefficient on a broader scale too, as KM points out it costs energy to raise the food.

Beano

shanered wrote: »

You seems to not grasp the concept, which is a pity.
If you honestly think there is no benefit i think ill refain from entertaining you further..

And what is more than 100 % efficient?

I could almost start a conspiriacy theory on your comments dear beano...

Anyways, at least your enjoying the thread!
;-)

trust me, you have not entertained me in any fashion.I tend not to find cryptic nonsense entertaining.

shanered

Beano wrote: »

trust me, you have not entertained me in any fashion.I tend not to find cryptic nonsense entertaining.

As i said, you seem to easly amused! ;-)

Cyrptic nonsense? Must be your cyptonight!


Undergod, can you not see the potential at all?
I get you can't get more energy from a system then you put in, but look at the excess energy being stored in so many humans stored as fat and causing obeisity, its not like i was suggesting you rob the last beat of a weak humans heart in order to charge your ipad.
And a major benifit would be that the energy source is where the human needs it when he needs to use it, rather then just burning the food externally, if ye get what i mean....do you?

degrassinoel

Beano wrote: »

trust me, you have not entertained me in any fashion.I tend not to find cryptic nonsense entertaining.

Play nice Beano.

Undergod

shanered wrote: »

Undergod, can you not see the potential at all?
I get you can't get more energy from a system then you put in, but look at the excess energy being stored in so many humans stored as fat and causing obeisity, its not like i was suggesting you rob the last beat of a weak humans heart in order to charge your ipad.

Well then the rest of your argument is baseless.

shanered wrote: »

And a major benifit would be that the energy source is where the human needs it when he needs to use it, rather then just burning the food externally, if ye get what i mean....do you?

Wait you're talking about humans using themselves as energy sources?

shanered

Undergod wrote: »

Well then the rest of your argument is baseless.



Wait you're talking about humans using themselves as energy sources?

Yes, thats what im on about, humans using themselves as a source of energy, maybe using the excess energy which many humans consume. I understand not all humans have access to enough food but theres possibility to harvest at least some energy at least of our some of our bodies?
Or do you not see any possible merit of this whatsoever?

Undergod

shanered wrote: »

Yes, thats what im on about, humans using themselves as a source of energy, maybe using the excess energy which many humans consume. I understand not all humans have access to enough food but theres possibility to harvest at least some energy at least of our some of our bodies?
Or do you not see any possible merit of this whatsoever?

But you mentioned the Annunakai in the first post?

We do that already in the form of fat deposits, so what are you talking about? Some technology that burns fat deposits more efficiently or something? There are still loads of problems with that, along the same lines I pointed out, and I'm not sure what the conspiracy is.

shanered

Yeah, i said Annunaiki in the first post, but also posted a link about jewellery ran off blood, i am only bring the whole concept to this disscussion board so we can think about the application of human sourced energy of all types and we could look at the way which we could be manipulated and exploited by the the powers that be be that the goverment, corporations or our Annunaiki overlords! :-/
And felt this forum would be good to see peoples ideas on the possibities and possible exploitations.

Finding a personal powersource would revolutionize society in many ways and there major history in the area of energy and conspiracies such as the conspiracy theory on how the suppression of any free energy, now i know the whole food system and efficiency problem but there is benifits with having the supply where you need it.
The link about free energy through our own personal vibrations and emotions is a great idea and i would as alway be delighted to hear anyone elaborate on how to harness such energies and the idea of using yourself as a powersource.

I can only imagine they'd have us metered and taxed on our energy if they could.

Undergod

shanered wrote: »

Yeah, i said Annunaiki in the first post, but also posted a link about jewellery ran off blood,

The article which said:

As Naomi notes, the jewelry is not meant to be a practical energy source

Emphasis mine.

shanered wrote: »

i am only bring the whole concept to this disscussion board so we can think about the application of human sourced energy of all types and we could look at the way which we could be manipulated and exploited by the the powers that be be that the goverment, corporations or our Annunaiki overlords! :-/

They'd be better off manipulating nearly anything else. You can't get more energy out of the system than you put in, so there's no practical value in anything like what you're proposing.

shanered wrote: »

And felt this forum would be good to see peoples ideas on the possibities and possible exploitations.

It's a neat little art project.

shanered wrote: »

Finding a personal powersource would revolutionize society in many ways and there major history in the area of energy and conspiracies such as the conspiracy theory on how the suppression of any free energy, now i know the whole food system and efficiency problem but there is benifits with having the supply where you need it.

But if you needed to get some specialised advanced technology to harness that, would you not be better off getting technology that exploits a more efficient energy source?

shanered wrote: »

The link about free energy through our own personal vibrations and emotions is a great idea and i would as alway be delighted to hear anyone elaborate on how to harness such energies and the idea of using yourself as a powersource.

There's no evidence to suggest that that's a thing.

shanered

Well thank you for sharing your insights!

shanered

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4394949&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4394949

This kind of stuff is interesting you have to admit!

shanered

Human Power

Researchers have been working on many projects to generate electricity from active/passive human power, such as exploiting, cranking, shaking, squeezing, spinning, pushing, pumping, and pulling (Starner & Paradiso, 2004). For example some types of flashlights were powered with wind-up generators in the early 20th century (US patent 1,184,056, 1916). Later versions of these devices, such as wind-up cell phone chargers and radios, became available in the commercial market. For instance, Freeplay’s (a commercial company) wind-up radios make 60 turns in one minute of cranking, which allows storing of 500 Joules of energy in a spring. The spring system drives a magnetic generator and efficiently produces enough power for about an hour of play.

A battery-free wireless remote control for Zenith televisions was another human-powered device. The design, called “Space Commander”, was introduced by Robert Adler in 1956. The system consisted of a set of buttons that hit aluminum material to produce ultrasound. The produced ultrasound energy was decoded at the television to turn it on, change channels and mute the volume (Adler, Desmares, & Spracklen, 1982). Adler’s “Space Commander” design was then replaced by the active infrared remote controls and is being used in many current remote control systems.

Another similar architecture, developed by Paradiso and Feldmeier (2001) is a piezoelectric element, which was comprised of a resonantly matched transformer and conditioning electronics. This system was actuated when hit by a button, and it produced about 1mJ at 3V per 15N push. The generated power was enough to run a digital encoder and radio that was able to transmit over 50 feet. Materials used for this device were off-the-shelf components, which enabled placing compact digital controllers independently without any battery or wire maintenance.

An average human body burns approximately 10.5 MJ every day, which is equal to about 121W of power dissipation. Power dissipation occurs in the average human body either actively or passively in daily life motions, making the human body and motions an attractive ambient energy source. Researchers have proposed and conducted several studies to capture power from the human body. For example Starner has researched and investigated some of these energy- harvesting techniques to power wearable electronics (Starner, 1996). MIT researchers considered these studies and suggested that the most reliable and exploitable energy source occurs at the foot during heel strikes when running or walking (Shenck & Paradiso, 2001). This research initiated the development of piezoelectric shoe inserts capable of producing an average of 330 μW/cm2 while an average person is walking. The first application of shoe inserts was to power a low power wireless transceiver mounted to the shoe soles. The ongoing research efforts mostly focused on how to get power from the shoe, where the power is generated, to the point of interest or application. Such sources of power are considered as passive power sources in that the person is not required to put extra effort to generate power because power generation occurs while the person is doing regular daily activities, such as walking or running. Another group of power generators can be classified as active human-powered energy scavengers. These types of generators require the human to perform an action that is not part of the normal human performance. For instance, Freeplay has self-powered products that are powered by a constant-force spring that the user must wind up to operate the device (FreePlay Energy, 2007). These types of products are very useful because of their battery-free systems.

For an RFID (Radio frequency identification) tag or other wireless device worn on the shoe, the piezoelectric shoe insert offers a good solution. However, the application space for such devices is extremely limited, and as mentioned previously, they are not very applicable to some of the low-powered devices, such as wireless sensor networks. Active human power, which requires the user to perform a specific power-generating motion, is common and may be referred to separately as active human-powered systems (Roundy, 2003).

shanered

http://advancedarchery.co.nz/hecs-human-energy-concealment-system

This is also a good indicator of our energy potential also here is another example of the fact we have a natural electromagnetic field around us which would allow wireless transmittion of energy.
Heres an interesting read on it:

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/articles/4-2/Smith.htm