Speeding in the UK

Bargain_Hound

Hello,

My mother was driving in the UK several weeks ago and the registered owner of the vehicle received a speeding notification (38 in a 30 zone). The car was registered to another family member who filled out my mothers details in Ireland and which a subsequent notification was sent to her here in Ireland. There is no indication on the letter what the fine/outcome will be, but rather only a request to acknowledge the speeding offence.

Is there cross-border points system in place? What is the likely fine? It is very unclear from the notification received.

Thanks.

Marcusm

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

Hello,

My mother was driving in the UK several weeks ago and the registered owner of the vehicle received a speeding notification (38 in a 30 zone). The car was registered to another family member who filled out my mothers details in Ireland and which a subsequent notification was sent to her here in Ireland. There is no indication on the letter what the fine/outcome will be, but rather only a request to acknowledge the speeding offence.

Is there cross-border points system in place? What is the likely fine? It is very unclear from the notification received.

Thanks.

Naughty, naughty. Just 3 mph lower and she wouldn't have a problem.

Basically, the UK registered keeper will be kept on the hook until such time as another person signs the document to accept that they were driving. After signing, the relevant authority would issue a replacement FPN. No points can be applied to a foreign driving licence but the DVLA will keep a shadow licence with the points on them such that if your mother is caught again the penalty will reflect her being a repeat offence.

I can't remember the schedule of penalties but it's £100 or less.

Paddy@CIRL

£100 and 3 points in the UK, but since the latter can't be transferred onto an Irish license, it's just the fine.

fmcg_scribe

Ireland and the UK have a bilateral agreement to cover this area:
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/driving-offences-abroad.html

Seems that both countries opted out of a new pan-European agreement that was introduced in November 2013:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/newsletters/2013/11-08/articles/cbe_memo_en.htm

Marcusm's post sounds about right.

Veloce

It's 3 points for speeding in the UK as well?!

The12thMan

record is kept, IF you are ever stopped on uk fine will be imposed.

my CAR is wanted in 4 European countries for same....

keithclancy

fmcg_scribe wrote: »

Ireland and the UK have a bilateral agreement to cover this area:
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/driving-offences-abroad.html

Seems that both countries opted out of a new pan-European agreement that was introduced in November 2013:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/newsletters/2013/11-08/articles/cbe_memo_en.htm

Marcusm's post sounds about right.

Mmmm .... at the end it says:

The Commission requested the Court of Justice to maintain the effects of the Directive according to Article 264 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union pending adoption of a new proposal for the Directive with the modified legal basis. This means that Member States are in any case obliged to transpose the Directive into their national law by today, with the exception of Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom.

So did Ireland sign it into law ?

Bargain_Hound

Thanks guys for the responses. The fine will be paid, but the avoiding the points was the main concern.

Marcusm

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

Thanks guys for the responses. The fine will be paid, but the avoiding the points was the main concern.

You make it sound like she's got quite a few already.....

Bargain_Hound

Marcusm wrote: »

You make it sound like she's got quite a few already.....

Actually, before assumptions are made, it is her first offence. Being an elderly lady, having received the letter 4 weeks ago (she was in the UK for 5 weeks), she was concerned and unsure what the process was.

38 in a 30 is easily done, so lets not make assumptions that she is a constant offender.

ht9zni1gs28crp

At that speed on a foreign licence you will be offered a Speed Awareness Course first before the application of cross border points....

Bargain_Hound

Marcusm wrote: »

You make it sound like she's got quite a few already.....

If she had a few already - would I have started this thread? Would she not be familiar with the process?

It was her first driving offence.

Marcusm

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

If she had a few already - would I have started this thread? Would she not be familiar with the process?

It was her first driving offence.

It was your phrasing!

Even if she had a shedload of Irish points, she still wouldn't be familiar with the UK system.

On a side note, I disagree about it being easy to do 38 in a 30 in the UK or perhaps I'd be better saying it's the least productive type of speeding. Basically, because it's fairly common within 30mph areas, which are by definition built up areas, to come across fixed position speed camers - something that is entirely absent in Ireland. Unlike motorways (where you could happily trip along at 95mph most days with little prospect of passing a working fixed position camera), in 30moh zones, it would be unusual to go more than a couple of miles without passing one. Once over 35mph, they'll issue a notice and if over 36mph, you cannot do the driver awareness course.

I live in London hence my caution in these areas (although nowadays it's nearly all 20mph in central boroughs or will be by the end of the year) unlike in Dublin where I'll happily trip down the Merrion Road onto the Rock Road at 60-65kmh in the safe knowledge that I'm exceeding the limit but not by enough to cause anyone to slow me down.

Jade Unimportant Graphite

Jade Unimportant Graphite wrote: »

At that speed on a foreign licence you will be offered a Speed Awareness Course first before the application of cross border points....

There are no such thing as cross border points.

Marcusm wrote: »

Basically, because it's fairly common within 30mph areas, which are by definition built up areas, to come across fixed position speed camers - something that is entirely absent in Ireland. Unlike motorways (where you could happily trip along at 95mph most days with little prospect of passing a working fixed position camera), in 30moh zones, it would be unusual to go more than a couple of miles without passing one.

Driving in an area with lots of speed cameras in the UK is basically floor it...everyone slows for camera...floor it...everyone slows for camera and so on.

Muahahaha

Whats the story with parking fines up the north? Got one a few months ago in Enniskillen while I was off finding an ATM to get sterling to change into coins to pay the parking meter. Forgot to pay it and will probably be a letter coming my way soon but can they have you on the hook for it? Was annoyed the way it happened, was parked less than 15 mins and they slapped it on.

td2008

She will be offered the speed awareness course, even though they dont apply points you can do the course (its more expensive iirc) so no point in this case

Marcusm

Ari Limited Clip wrote: »

There are no such thing as cross border points.



Driving in an area with lots of speed cameras in the UK is basically floor it...everyone slows for camera...floor it...everyone slows for camera and so on.

A work colleague used to have a daily speed test in the Limehouse Link, over maybe 500 yards between the second speed camera and the Canary Wharf turn off, what speed could he reach before having to slow for the inevitable red light. 74 was his self proclaimed record.

Marcusm

td2008 wrote: »

She will be offered the speed awareness course, even though they dont apply points you can do the course (its more expensive iirc) so no point in this case

No points and it wouldn't be offered to a non resident in any event but once over 36mph in a 30 then the driver rehab course is not an option. Take the points and fine or else fight it in court.