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Oil chief dies as plane collides with snow plough

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  • #2
    Sterling Archer
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    404??

    News link ->http://rt.com/news/197700-total-plane-crash-driver/


  • #3
    b318isp
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Could you be more sensitive with this?

    A reaction to the waste of life, if a drunk on an airfield is the true cause.


  • #4
    martinsvi
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    a quick google search suggests Vnukovo airport is equipped with a surface movement radar, so how did this happen? Did the driver have clearance? Will have to do some listening on UUWW liveatc archive


  • #5
    Crumbs868
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    martinsvi wrote: »
    a quick google search suggests Vnukovo airport is equipped with a surface movement radar, so how did this happen? Did the driver have clearance? Will have to do some listening on UUWW liveatc archive

    Snowplough driver was drunk


  • #6
    smurfjed
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    Snowplough driver was drunk
    Says who? Strangely enough the lawyers for the driver say that he cannot drink due to health reasons.


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  • #7
    Crumbs868
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Says who? Strangely enough the lawyers for the driver say that he cannot drink due to health reasons.
    smurfjed wrote: »
    Says who? Strangely enough the lawyers for the driver say that he cannot drink due to health reasons.

    Just about every major and respectable news source is reporting this

    m.bbc.com/news/business-29702801

    m.wsj.com/articles/russia-opens-probe-into-death-of-total-ceo-christophe-de-margerie-in-plane-crash-1413884521?ref=/home-page

    mobile.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSKCN0I92HF20141021?irpc=932

    mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-21/french-oil-giant-boss-dies-in-moscow-executive-jet-crash.html


  • #8
    smurfjed
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    It said the driver had been found to be drunk, but that investigators were also examining the actions of the air traffic controllers and the flight crew. The driver's lawyer said the driver had been following instructions from air traffic control, and that his relatives had said he never drank alcohol.
    The driver of the snow plow was drunk, the committee said, an accusation the man’s lawyer denied.
    Russian investigators blamed negligent airport management and the alleged intoxication of the driver of a snowplow that drove on to the runway for a crash that killed Total SA’s chief executive and three crew.
    Federal investigators said the driver of the snow plough was drunk, and managers at the airport "negligent".

    These are the reports from your listed websites. It is common practice following any incident that the personnel involved are given drug and alcohol tests, but i believe that for the results of these tests to be released like this is just wrong. How do you know that the poor man after watching the aircraft crash, didn't drink to recover from his shock?

    The truth will come out, but right now i would like to give the driver some professional courtesy.


  • #9
    Crumbs868
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    These are the reports from your listed websites. It is common practice following any incident that the personnel involved are given drug and alcohol tests, but i believe that for the results of these tests to be released like this is just wrong. How do you know that the poor man after watching the aircraft crash, didn't drink to recover from his shock?

    The truth will come out, but right now i would like to give the driver some professional courtesy.

    Not sure why you are getting so defensive and aggressive with me(and your mates thanking you, what's that about?) this is a discussion forum, if we gave everyone courtesy would we discuss anything? Eg the Malaysian incidents and the case where a BA steward died after a rough landing I seem to remember a mod stating otherwise.

    Anyways are you not contradicting yourself stating the lad couldn't drink for medical reasons but now you are speculating he could have had a drink after the crash(where is the courtesy here?)


  • #10
    martinsvi
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    normally when there's an incident that potentially involves alcohol use, a test is conducted and the exact amount of units in blood are recorded (and often quoted in media). If his lawyer goes all the way saying he wasn't drunk and he can't drink for whatever reasons, what that tells us that the test hasn't been conducted and whether he was drunk or not, there's no proof.

    I was listening to UUWW feed archive, unfortunately at the time when incident took place, ATC is not heard at all, only airborne crews have been recorded.


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